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[mnomaha]

My opinion on the Dragon Age game...game because DA2 wasn't up to snuff, at least compared to the epic first game.

DA:O was an awesome, epic game. I loved everything about it. I even loved the Circle and Orzammar (sp?). The romance was great (Zevgirl here!). It was a different game though. It wasn't so much about choice as about getting **** done. My hat will always remain off to the writers of that game. The romances were beautifully done, engaging and well, adult. They released a tool kit and the game got a whole lot bigger and better.

If they would get off their greedy corporate arses and release one for ME, they wouldn't be having quite so many complaints. Our most awesome modders could be helping us. Especially with the bloody awful graphics that have no right being passed by the quality team.

So yes, I do believe female gamers got some good stuff in DA:O. The only good thing about DA"2" was Fenris. I will never forgive them for what they did to my Zevran.

[coldwetn0se]

Fenris and Zev for the win!! oh......wrong thread?? My husband knew I was going to love Thane the first time he saw him, because he thinks Thane looks like a space elf. yeah, wutever....go play with your camera Ansel.

crap! gotta go flip the meat.

[mnomaha]

Well, I obviously have a thing for assassins and general bad boys. Speaking of which..they butcher Thane and his character, they fuglify Zevran and Fenris had sex with me once in three years.

WTF....

[mnomaha]

coldwetn0se wrote...

*snip*

crap! gotta go flip the meat.

Sorry...what? You are quite the multi-tasker.

[coldwetn0se]

mnomaha wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

*snip*

crap! gotta go flip the meat.

Sorry...what? You are quite the multi-tasker.

reference what you write.....bad coldi!  Currently BBQing.

[sunnie7699]

mnomaha wrote...

My opinion on the Dragon Age game...game because DA2 wasn't up to snuff, at least compared to the epic first game.

DA:O was an awesome, epic game. I loved everything about it. I even loved the Circle and Orzammar (sp?). The romance was great (Zevgirl here!). It was a different game though. It wasn't so much about choice as about getting **** done. My hat will always remain off to the writers of that game. The romances were beautifully done, engaging and well, adult. They released a tool kit and the game got a whole lot bigger and better.

If they would get off their greedy corporate arses and release one for ME, they wouldn't be having quite so many complaints. Our most awesome modders could be helping us. Especially with the bloody awful graphics that have no right being passed by the quality team.

So yes, I do believe female gamers got some good stuff in DA:O. The only good thing about DA"2" was Fenris. I will never forgive them for what they did to my Zevran.

I thought DA:O was brilliant too, and the romances were really well done. I love both Alistair and Zev, but I think I'm more of a Zev fan now

The thing is, for ME2 all the romances were pretty much equal (the MaleShep sex scenes had a little bit more work, well Jack and Miranda anyway) but all relationships had love-triangle-confrontation dialogue.

I just don't understand why Bioware had to focus sooo much on letting people 'jump in' at ME3 and not need to play the other 2 games. I'm not a game developer so I don't know how it works, but I would be encouraging people to play the first 2 games first.. that way the game could have been so much better and the triology as a whole would have been totally complete

[mnomaha]

Is that a euphemism or you are cooking outside?

[Niemalna]

WARN: SPOILED THE POO OUTTA DA:O. lol

In DA:O (trying to remember, I was like 15 hah), there were less options, but they were great. Instead of 8 possible romances (for M!Sheps anyways), you could have Zevran or Alistair, or go F/F with Leliana. It was equal, because male wardens could have Morrigan or Leliana, or go M/M with Zevran. In ME3, F!shep was obviously shafted in my opinion.
You could get gifts, talk for foooreeeever, and just generally build a good relationship. And Zevran and Alistair were such in depth, constant characters that people fell in love with them easily. Then, each romance could end many different ways depending on your choices (which I think were better in the romance aspect than the main plots/quests, which I also think were more "get it done"). You could have Alistair die, become king and stay faithful to Anora, become king and keep the warden as his mistress, etcetc. And Zevran was equally well executed, and I actually have 2 play throughs for him. Then, my canon one, I didn't romance either in order to go with Sten, who you can't romance but whom I favored. My favorite of all Bioware games for romance probably. Close to ME1 with scenes and stuff like that. I just didn't like Kaidan very much and there was no other male option for F!Sheps.

DA:2 had a few more options, because all characters (other than Sebastian, a DLC character who is only for females Hawkes. I romanced him, too, cause he's kinda sweet, but his character is just shallowly explored. So we'll see how they write him in DA:3.) are available to both genders. But depending on your character's gender, they might "change" their orientation. If you romance Anders (who is waaay different from Awakening unfortunately but still a fan favorite) with a girl, he seems to be straight, but if you romance him with Garrett (male Hawke) then Anders discusses a past relationship with another man. You can't give a lot of gifts, but, as an example, you can give Fenris a book and offer to teach him to read. There's still some dialogue, though significantly less than in DA:O. In DA:O, I'd just keep the characters I liked to talk to with me at all times, and there always seemed to be a way for conversation. Then you could keep talking at the group camp. There's no group camp in DA:2, but you can have your LI live with you or you can visit them a few times at their house. Romances are still significant and kind of customizable, but much less than in DA:O. It's more of a stay/break up kind of choice at the end of the game. And there's the epilogues that mention your romance. And the relationships aren't as long, there are less scenes, you only get like one "private" scene where you could just spam Zevran for sex. xDD

So in ME3, you can tell romances weren't as important. Lot less conversation, less choices, less depth, less focus, less activities to do/quests. Stuff like that. And that's with most romances, not just Thane/Jacob/ME2. But you get more options, a lot more different characters, even if they sometimes don't write them quite as well. They were better in ME2.

Modifié par Niemalna, 24 mars 2012 - 02:04 .

[LucyMaire]

Wow now that I think about it, the Origins romances were much more intricate and detailed than any Mass Effect romance, honestly. It doesn't mean I like them more, because I love Thane way more than Zevran (although I love Zevran too.)
If they had just taken the time to do the romances right in ME3, I would be so happy right now. Why did they have to rush? Was it really all that important to get the game out in March?
I mean, it's the last game of the trilogy. I wouldn't have minded if they had taken as much time as they needed to finish the game, as long as Thane and the other ME2 romances were given more justice.
It should have been perfect. We should not be this disappointed with a Mass Effect game. It's just not how it should have been.

[Niemalna]

LucyMaire wrote...

Wow now that I think about it, the Origins romances were much more intricate and detailed than any Mass Effect romance, honestly. It doesn't mean I like them more, because I love Thane way more than Zevran (although I love Zevran too.)
If they had just taken the time to do the romances right in ME3, I would be so happy right now. Why did they have to rush? Was it really all that important to get the game out in March?
I mean, it's the last game of the trilogy. I wouldn't have minded if they had taken as much time as they needed to finish the game, as long as Thane and the other ME2 romances were given more justice.
It should have been perfect. We should not be this disappointed with a Mass Effect game. It's just not how it should have been.

Thiiiis. Origins romances were beast. They even worried about love triangles, one night stands, etc. But I liked Thane much more than Zevran/Alistair as a character, but his romance wasn't as good even in ME2. Just less options/scenes/dialogue/etc. So ME3 is basically pathetic...
Normally, I fall for nonromanceable characters. Not to be a Qunari hoe, but I liked Sten better in Origins, and Arishok better in DA:2. But Thane was my favorite character in ME2, AND he was romanceable.
You can marry almost every soul in Skyrim, but I still like non-marriable characters more in most situations. lol

[Laser-Eyes]

 Hi everyone. I've been lurking for a few days, but thought I would finally post *WALL OF TEXT!*. My husband and I have been playing Mass Effect since the beginning. In ME2, Thane was my LI and no matter however million times I played that game, I always went back to Thane (but, I did romance Garrus once). I followed all the hype suggesting a cure for Thane and was very excited to see him again in ME3
When I first started playing a few weeks ago and saw Thane in the hospital, I was very nervous. So very nervous that I started talking to co-workers about it that have never played Mass Effect. I couldn't mention much to my husband or roommates (I live in a gamer house) as they were all behind. I then decided to take a day off from work to play, determined that I would somehow find a cure for Thane in that time. I cried a lot before even witnessing Thane's death. I cried from Grunt almost dying. I cried when Mordin died, but when Thane died and I could do nothing to save him, I sobbed... like crazy. I cried like he was a real person who died and my husband had no idea why I was spazzing out for 3 days lol. I had built up so much hope that I could save him from the Cure Thane Facebook thingy to all the in-game hints and then it didn't happen  
It was way worse when I went back to the ship and the crew were just droning on and on about how great it was to have Kaidan back and not acknowledging that Thane died. It made me hate Kaidan lol. My Shepard went from Paragon to everything to being a **** to everyone that flirted with her, except for Liara (I just can't be mean to her). She chose renegade options for vengeance and spent the rest of the game alone and depressed. This playthrough, Shepard even meaner knowing that she will lose Thane again :/  Every time she walks passed the Memorial Wall, goes into Life Support, or even the stupid hospital, I just get so depressed. 
For me, it's just so shocking that he dies, considering he was one of the poster-characters for ME2 and had so much work put into his creation. I really hope they at least give us a DLC to cure him

[RShara]

*hugs Laser-Eyes* I know, wasn't it terrible? Even after I found out what happened, I kept hoping that it wouldn't be so bad in game. I was wrong
Even now it's all I can do not to rant and rave and curse

[Yermogi]

Cosmochyck wrote...

Yermogi wrote...

I really hope they're taking our requests into consideration and not just trying to humor us until we realize it's futile or something. I adore the vast majority of the game, but I felt that most of the ME2 squad got the short end of the stick, so to speak. Not just Jacob or Thane, but Grunt and Samara and the others, too. We see most of them for maybe 5 minutes, tops, whereas the ME1 squad members are always around. I have no problem with this; I just want to see a little more appreciation for the marvelous characters introduced in the second installment, and a more satisfying conclusion to Thane and Jacob's rather poorly handled relationships.

Well said!!  Thane was just...I can't even find the words.  So awful.  And poorly written.  And rushed.  And...ugh.

And we have a facebook group book too should you want to show your support there - it's in my sig!!

Already done! 

To be honest, I'm starting to worry that this is a lost cause. If they didn't even mention the poor FemShep romances in ME3, I can't see much of a chance of it changing. This is just heartbreaking to me. So far, all they've done to people asking for better ME2 romances is say "Thanks for the comment." Nothing else. I know that they can't really go into any details at this point, but I really think that they could have at least discussed the reqests and comments about better treatment of ME2 characters in general. You spend so much time with all of them, only to have them pretty much never be around. Thane, one of the most wonderfully deep and heart-jerking romances I've ever had in a game, is reduced to five minutes of "Yes, we had some good times. Well, bye now!" Jacob, who, out of all three romances in ME2 most clearly states how much he loves Shepard (he's the only one to my knowledge who verbally acknowledges it I mean), is reduced to a man who basically can't say no to a girl.

It's an insult to the writers of the characters and the voice actors who have to portray them in such a washed-up manner in my own opinion. Even if nothing changes, the least BioWare could do is acknowledge their mistakes in the relationships to the fanbase instead of ignoring it so utterly.

Modifié par Yermogi, 24 mars 2012 - 02:35 .

[tankarmarx]

Laser-Eyes wrote...
 My Shepard went from Paragon to everything to being a **** to everyone that flirted with her, except for Liara (I just can't be mean to her). She chose renegade options for vengeance and spent the rest of the game alone and depressed. This playthrough, Shepard even meaner knowing that she will lose Thane again :/  Every time she walks passed the Memorial Wall, goes into Life Support, or even the stupid hospital, I just get so depressed. 

This was a million times so what I did, except I went all renegade on everyone (except Grunt, Legion and Mordin) whether they flirted with Shep or not. xD  I flipped and went all renegade in all my ME3 games since the first time it happened.  I romanced Kaidan in ME1 and Thane in ME2 expecting some drama.  There was a little, but not nearly as much as Ashley.  

Then when Thane died and everyone's just like So good to have Kaidan Back! And you dream about the one who died at Virmire (who, HELLO, I left them for a reason, mandatory plot choice be darned--I always save Kaidan on Paragon and Ashley on Renegade games) I was just like Are you KIDDING me? 
ಠ _ಠ

I even went alllll the way back to ME1, romanced no one, romanced Thane in ME2 and was pretty disappointed at the lack of difference between the two playthroughs.

My Shep is totally renegade now because I cannot play through the game without getting royally pissed off myself. xD

Thane's romance isn't the only thing that bugs me in ME3, but it's the main one.  Personally I didn't want to magically find a cure for him, but I did want more acknowledgement to his romance.  It irritates me to no end that they just tossed all the ME2 romances aside, FemShep's in particular. <_<

[utaker1988]

@Laser, yes join us in our sadness and disappointment in how the Thane romance (and I use that term loosely) turned out in ME3. I was a crying wreck and even now I cannot play that game. I'm all for emotional but having your heart ripped out and stomped on is a whole other matter.

Funny you guys were talking about DA/DA2...everytime Zevran and Fenris. Every flippin' time. Yes, I was not pleased with the horrid make over Zev got in II....WTF was that? Good grief. My Hawke let him go but didn't talk to him beyond that, couldn't stand to look at him and I never took Izzy with me during that meeting. I knew my Warden would have stomped her into dust and him too. I took too much enjoyment out of the mods made for DA:O..heh heh. I also liked to spite Wynne everytime. When she'd say, "some of us aren't getting any sleep with the way you two carry on all night." I'd tell her "Sorry we'll try to keep it down next time." Wait for her to prattle on, then run right over to Zevran and do it again. Take that Wynne!

[Niemalna]

Yermogi wrote...

To be honest, I'm starting to worry that this is a lost cause. If they didn't even mention the poor FemShep romances in ME3, I can't see much of a chance of it changing. This is just heartbreaking to me. So far, all they've done to people asking for better ME2 romances is say "Thanks for the comment." Nothing else. I know that they can't really go into any details at this point, but I really think that they could have at least discussed the reqests and comments about better treatment of ME2 characters in general.

Me too. But I'm going to stick with it. I wish they'd just come out and say, "We're considering it" which is better than, "Thanks for the feedback" or be completely honest and say, "There will be no DLC." They could still be considering it, but if the decision has really been made not to, I'd be much happier accepting it and moving on. But as long as they leave the comments open ended, I'll continue to fight for a better Thane/ME2 romance.

"Nobody ever fell in love without being a little brave." Just got that conversation with EDI. And here Shepard is, giving her "experience" and advice and saying, it's not what you do, but who you do it with. I don't see why Thane (or even Kaidan for that matter) couldn't get great medical treatment on the Normandy. Maybe it'snot as outfitted as I thought. But even so, I can see Thane staying on the Normandy, not for "light work" but just to be there. He could help with strategies or just spend his dying days with Shepard, visiting Kolyat at the frequent Citadel trips. Or Shepard could spend time with him at Huerta for more scenes.

Regardless, the fans were brave when they romanced Thane regardless of his Kepral's. They still held hope that he'd be treated better. Regardless of being cured or dying, the romance just wasn't there. And it's disappointing when, apparently, some writers understood but just didn't apply it to Thane.

Modifié par Niemalna, 24 mars 2012 - 03:15 .

[Niemalna]

I honestly think a DLC would be great for Bioware's monetary interestes in the very least, and for their fan base support/morality of it all.
And I actually don't just want a romance DLC, even if it includes all of the ME2 characters. That's a lot better than a romance DLC with just Thane, but it wouldn't get the kind of sales/feedback that a DLC that wasn't just romance got.
For example, I bought LotSB. Even though I knew Liara was kind of the focus and she wasn't a favorite character. But I bought it for the quest. I always buy DLCs if they have new characters or a new mission. That's why I support the cure. Not becuase I want Thane to live and stay with Shep happily ever after. I'm fine with him dying, and the bittersweetness of it (but of course, that wasn't well executed at all. Hence almost all of the complaints).
But if the DLC had a "cure Thane" quest, or just a quest based on the Drell that included Thane, they'd get a lot of sales. Even if no one actually wanted to romance Thane, or even wanted him to live, or even enjoyed his character, people might be willing to buy just for the quest and more info on the Drell. And then the majority of gamers, M!sheps, could be interested to save a bro, Thanemancers would get some kind of apology/pay back for all they suffered in ME3, and people who just like Drell could get more info than what was in ME2.
But they HAVE to buff it up with romance scenes for F!Sheps to make up for totally ignoring them in ME3.

Modifié par Niemalna, 24 mars 2012 - 03:21 .

[Laser-Eyes]

 Thanks everyone. I do really wish all of the ME2 characters had more to do in the game than they did. I did not like that the people that I felt really knew Shepard got pushed aside for others that ditched my Shepard when she needed a familiar face the most on Horizon. Also, could have gone with Khalisah Bint Sinan al-Jilani instead of Allers. At least, I can slap Khalisah when she says something I don't like lol. 
I did not play DA2, but I loved DA:O. I thought it was great at conveying emotions especially in the relationships, but always liked the ME2 romances (basically, Thane) better despite the shortness. He is just such a deep, magnetic character. When DA2 came out, and they introduced what I thought to be the DA version of Shepard, I was a little weary lol. I really don't know anything about it, but have almost bought it a many times.

[Emeraldfern]

Ahh DAO, good times...
Funny, the majority here seems to have chosen Zevran in that game...
(Present company included)

Aww! Now I want to play DAO again sigh...(despite it beimg waaay past bedtime in Sweden)

[Yermogi]

This is what I posted just a minute ago in the BioWare thread where they asked people to post their problems. I hope I did a good job of representing the issues that we're having with the game.

http://social.biowar...13/196#10543750

[Emeraldfern]

@Yermogi
That was an awesome post...Your post sums up my thoughts exactly, although don't think I could have expressed myself better than you.

[gnfrwar]

Does anyone else play multiplayer as a drell and pretend it's Thane? Because I do, and he lives on Bahahah!

[gnfrwar]

Yermogi wrote...

This is what I posted just a minute ago in the BioWare thread where they asked people to post their problems. I hope I did a good job of representing the issues that we're having with the game.

http://social.biowar...13/196#10543750

Very well written! Great job! Expresses everything in a very polite and well-thought out answer! Thanks for doing it!

[mnomaha]

Yes, I agree. It was great!

[Emeraldfern]

Btw I posted a few layout ideas for the fanbook!
Any Feedback is welcome!