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[coldwetn0se]

@Aislinn Trista - Holy Crispies!!!!!!  Your video was absolutely breathtaking.  This along with all the info (including the lovely bits that Tinve dug up on the CDN reports) on his life extention/cure that we were offered in ME2, pretty much sums up why so many of us believed they would've, could've gone a different way.  Offered us hope and choices.

Thank you for sharing this.  And BTW; your "Siha" is gorgeous!


*EDIT*  spelled Tinve's name wrong.  doh!

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 30 mars 2012 - 04:38 .

[Yermogi]

I'm very tempted to write a ficlet with Thane and FemShep regardless of how the romance ended. I have this rule where I never write anything until it's over, so I don't have to guess anything... but I just really, really want to.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Yeah the fact that Shepard just stood there while Thane was fighting Kai Leng for his life was pretty dumb even without having romanced him.

[Cosmochyck]

Aislinn - awesome job as usual.  And it just reiterates everything that is wrong with how Thane was written in ME3. 
No choices, no options, just another linear storyline.  Fanfreakintastic. 

I also retweeted it!! 

Along with many others, I played my Thane-Romance Shep first. Having Kaiden around right away gave me hope for my Kaiden shep who was left out in ME2, and then when I ran into Garrus right away I was thinking woot, Garrus shep is going to be so happy to see him.
It made me anticipate catching up to Thane even more. Then wham bam no thank you ma'am, the hospital re-intro. What?!
The fight scene with K-L, I could handle that. I couldn't handle the way my shep just dismissed Thane without any emotional context.
Then the recycled letter, (spits). So my Thane-shep goes the rest of the game simmering in anger and jealousy over the other relationships happening around her and icing on the bitter cake the fact Thane is never mentioned by anyone else but his killer in the end.
Killing that cretin was worth while. The game ending, bah.

@Dhejlmi - Yep, all of this.  Poorly written and then forgotten.  And then the endings.  I really am starting to think that Marauder Shields was trying to save Shep from the horror of it all.  Why wasn't he in the Citadel??

Actually, all the ME2 romances were handled poorly. Well, I was satisfied with Jack, I expected less, much less, a side note or something, but it could or should have been more.
On the other hand, the game was severly cut here and there, I completely understand that the development team rather focused on the 'main' romances.

@hawat333 - We agree!  Most of us aren't asking for ridiculous content, just something a little more substantial that fits the characters we've grown to love.  An expansion for the endings and ME2 romances would rectify it all!
We have another unified thread for this very topic ofALL ME2 LIs in ME3, and a facebook page!!  Feel free to spead those around any other thread you're on that would garner support!!  They are in my sig also

[RShara]

Yes please sign the petition!
http://www.thepetiti...fb_id=710252485

We should put the link in each Top of Page post for easier finding

[utaker1988]

LOL...go for it Yermogi, I started to write a "small" story and have realized that I basically writing a book, rewriting ME3 actually with no multicolored choices at the end. You get ONE. Yes, I'm not even close to done but when I realized what was happening to my short story I sat down and started thinking how it would end because smart people do that, they know the ending so that the middle makes sense and leads up to it.

[coldwetn0se]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Yeah the fact that Shepard just stood there while Thane was fighting Kai Leng for his life was pretty dumb even without having romanced him.

Yes, the Plot Armor is thick on that one, like Sta-Puft Marshmallow man thick. 
"Shoot the Kato wannabee, ya jack-**ses!!!"

[Kaija]

Aislinn, that was an amazingly well done video. -tears-

[utaker1988]

coldwetn0se wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Yeah the fact that Shepard just stood there while Thane was fighting Kai Leng for his life was pretty dumb even without having romanced him.

Yes, the Plot Armor is thick on that one, like Sta-Puft Marshmallow man thick. 
"Shoot the Kato wannabee, ya jack-**ses!!!"

I don't know what made me want to reach out and b**ch slap Shepard more.  The fact that she stood there like a complete moron while the man she loved was using his very limited strength to fight what looked like a strenuous battle OR the fact that after he gets stabbed she doesn't even bother to help her boyfriend.  Did she even bother with Medi-Gel?  I can't remember.   WTF Shepard?    Seriously at one point, I was thinking, "You know what, you idiot, Thane doesn't deserve you."

[Kaija]

utaker1988 wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Yeah the fact that Shepard just stood there while Thane was fighting Kai Leng for his life was pretty dumb even without having romanced him.

Yes, the Plot Armor is thick on that one, like Sta-Puft Marshmallow man thick. 
"Shoot the Kato wannabee, ya jack-**ses!!!"

I don't know what made me want to reach out and b**ch slap Shepard more.  The fact that she stood there like a complete moron while the man she loved was using his very limited strength to fight what looked like a strenuous battle OR the fact that after he gets stabbed she doesn't even bother to help her boyfriend.  Did she even bother with Medi-Gel?  I can't remember.   WTF Shepard?    Seriously at one point, I was thinking, "You know what, you idiot, Thane doesn't deserve you."

I know! I was madly mashing the renegade interrupt because there should have been one to headshot Leng before he got anywhere near Thane!

[JECW]

utaker1988 wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Yeah the fact that Shepard just stood there while Thane was fighting Kai Leng for his life was pretty dumb even without having romanced him.

Yes, the Plot Armor is thick on that one, like Sta-Puft Marshmallow man thick. 
"Shoot the Kato wannabee, ya jack-**ses!!!"

I don't know what made me want to reach out and b**ch slap Shepard more.  The fact that she stood there like a complete moron while the man she loved was using his very limited strength to fight what looked like a strenuous battle OR the fact that after he gets stabbed she doesn't even bother to help her boyfriend.  Did she even bother with Medi-Gel?  I can't remember.   WTF Shepard?    Seriously at one point, I was thinking, "You know what, you idiot, Thane doesn't deserve you."

I felt the same. Then she asks Thane "How bad is it".  I thought that was the dumbest question, and she still didn't look too concerned. She was to focused on Kai Leng.

[Kaija]

She leaves him there! It was a ridiculously scripted scene. Shame on them for thinking that in any way lives up to the standards they set.

[coldwetn0se]

JECW wrote...

utaker1988 wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Yeah the fact that Shepard just stood there while Thane was fighting Kai Leng for his life was pretty dumb even without having romanced him.

Yes, the Plot Armor is thick on that one, like Sta-Puft Marshmallow man thick. 
"Shoot the Kato wannabee, ya jack-**ses!!!"

I don't know what made me want to reach out and b**ch slap Shepard more.  The fact that she stood there like a complete moron while the man she loved was using his very limited strength to fight what looked like a strenuous battle OR the fact that after he gets stabbed she doesn't even bother to help her boyfriend.  Did she even bother with Medi-Gel?  I can't remember.   WTF Shepard?    Seriously at one point, I was thinking, "You know what, you idiot, Thane doesn't deserve you."

I felt the same. Then she asks Thane "How bad is it".  I thought that was the dumbest question, and she still didn't look too concerned. She was to focused on Kai Leng.

Considering we can give medi-gel to Salarians and Batarians whom we don't even know, and we can leave a squaddie with Garrus during his RM in ME2, and we can send Mordin (or someone else...I always send Mordin) to escort the crew back to the ship during the SM, and, and, and........chaa!  Ya get da point!!  Grrrrr....Argh!

[Cosmochyck]

The whole fight scene from start to finish is just wrong.  There is no way my Shep would have just stood there, nor would have Garrus!

And we already know that Shep says all kinds of inappropriate things.  Even to other characters.  Some of the stuff she says to Kaidan comes to mind, and it's all kinds of weird too.  It's like they wanted to create ONE Shep, that you "sort of" got to customize by choosing one of TWO dialogue options.  For the most part, I was usually reading them thinking "which one of these will be the lesser of two evils?" because they were so out of character for my Shep.  And then BAM - she says something really really stupid.  AGAIN. 

I realized last night that Thane's poor treatment and writing isn't the only reason I haven't started another PT - it's all the out of character stuff for almost everyone!  It's like they re-wrote everybody.  Garrus is still pretty consistant, but some of the others.... 

[Cyansomnia]

Yeah, I was so angry I wanted to punch a wall. She just runs past him, leaving him lying there on the floor. I believe my Shepard would have signaled her squaddies to chase Kai Leng while she attended to Thane.

But then again, since she's a sniper and all... Kai Leng would have had a bullet in his brain before he'd even gotten close to Thane with that sword.

[Cosmochyck]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

Yeah, I was so angry I wanted to punch a wall. She just runs past him, leaving him lying there on the floor. I believe my Shepard would have signaled her squaddies to chase Kai Leng while she attended to Thane.

But then again, since she's a sniper and all... Kai Leng would have had a bullet in his brain before he'd even gotten close to Thane with that sword.

So is mine and there is no way that fight would have gone on that long. 

[Kaija]

Mine's a sniper too. No way at all! >
The feeling I got from the whole game is either Shepard is totally losing it or indoctrinated or something and it may go some ways to explain all the odd behavior but it's grasping at straws.

[coldwetn0se]

@Cosmo - This is exactly why I couldn't continue playing. How is it that the following things seemed to be ignored: the "out of character" auto-dialogue, the story no-no's (IMO) of her incarceration for 6 months (from a story point I have a big problem with the beginning sequence...have since the demo), the change in character arcs, the bugs/glitches, the plot armor for ridiculous characters (KL), the lack of dialogue options, the sidelining of beloved characters (hello ME2 squaddies), the immersion breaking (on occasion) gameplay, the useless journal, the less than fun scan/fetch quests........

I realize that this is my opinion, and I would hope that anyone who payed for a game of a beloved series, could find enjoyment out of it, but for me -- I just can't get past these things.

BTW, @Aislinn - In case you missed it......LOVE your video! Brilliant and beautiful! Thank you for sharing.

[Cosmochyck]

For anyone that wants to tackle this thread, just make sure you read the first post.  They are looking for dialogue that may have occurred indicating that you were going to be together. 
Did you and LI agree to get married in Game?

[Kaija]

coldwetn0se wrote...

@Cosmo - This is exactly why I couldn't continue playing. How is it that the following things seemed to be ignored: the "out of character" auto-dialogue, the story no-no's (IMO) of her incarceration for 6 months (from a story point I have a big problem with the beginning sequence...have since the demo), the change in character arcs, the bugs/glitches, the plot armor for ridiculous characters (KL), the lack of dialogue options, the sidelining of beloved characters (hello ME2 squaddies), the immersion breaking (on occasion) gameplay, the useless journal, the less than fun scan/fetch quests........

I realize that this is my opinion, and I would hope that anyone who payed for a game of a beloved series, could find enjoyment out of it, but for me -- I just can't get past these things.

BTW, @Aislinn - In case you missed it......LOVE your video! Brilliant and beautiful! Thank you for sharing.

That really bothered me a lot. For the current universe situation, to take Shepard out of the things for 6 months is disastrous. For her relationship with Thane it is unacceptable. They took away any chance that they ever got to "see a desert" or even talk or spend time together. For someone who is terminally ill that is a horrible thing to do to both characters. the fact that Shepard went along with it and found no way to contact him (even when she was released if we go by the horrible ME3 dialogue!) goes so against who Shepard has been up to this point.

[utaker1988]

I absolutely hated what they did to Thane's character, it's no secret, I've raged enough and will continue to do so. But that is not the only issue, I do hate what they did to Shepard. This not my Shepard, she did a 180 and there was no way to really correct that through the story. Graphical issues, clipping, game freezes, the fetch quests, the journal system, that god awful pausing while you get scanned on the Normandy, trying to force other LI's on me, the lack of male options for a Shep who either romanced Thane or Jacob and Kaidan was Virmire'd (not that my Shep would ever move on but some would and it wasn't there for them) and that ENDING. WTF? BW, is this the best you can do? I think somewhere someone knew this was all garbage and people would be pissed so they slapped on a sh**ty ending in hopes that all the other glaring issues would be overlooked. If the ending is so bad, they will honestly think the rest of the game is great. Nice try, doesn't fly, your game sucks as it stands.

[Kaija]

utaker1988 wrote...

I absolutely hated what they did to Thane's character, it's no secret, I've raged enough and will continue to do so. But that is not the only issue, I do hate what they did to Shepard. This not my Shepard, she did a 180 and there was no way to really correct that through the story. Graphical issues, clipping, game freezes, the fetch quests, the journal system, that god awful pausing while you get scanned on the Normandy, trying to force other LI's on me, the lack of male options for a Shep who either romanced Thane or Jacob and Kaidan was Virmire'd (not that my Shep would ever move on but some would and it wasn't there for them) and that ENDING. WTF? BW, is this the best you can do? I think somewhere someone knew this was all garbage and people would be pissed so they slapped on a sh**ty ending in hopes that all the other glaring issues would be overlooked. If the ending is so bad, they will honestly think the rest of the game is great. Nice try, doesn't fly, your game sucks as it stands.

^ I second this!! Everyone is going on about adding dlc or changing the ending but what we really need is a whole new game!

[Hadeedak]

I kind of wonder about Kai Leng's shields. And how good they are or were in that first scene. After all, Thane shot him a lot from point blank.

It does make sense that my vanguard would hang back if Thane was in the way. She's his buddy, and everything she does (shotgun, fist grenade nova, charge) is damned dangerous to things near the guy she wants to hurt. My sentinel, the Thanemancer... Well, right now I'm headcanoning that she was afraid any move she made would distract him and result in him getting stabbed. The fight was moving pretty fast and at close quarters, and Kai Leng's shields WERE pretty good.

I can forgive most everything about it except that your Shepard can't express any grief or acknowledge she lost him. And that there should have been an option to affirm the relationship, even during the death bed scene. Everything else I can kind of figure, but the painfully stoic, unfeeling, nonexistent aftermath is dumb.

[Cosmochyck]

Kaija wrote...

utaker1988 wrote...

I absolutely hated what they did to Thane's character, it's no secret, I've raged enough and will continue to do so. But that is not the only issue, I do hate what they did to Shepard. This not my Shepard, she did a 180 and there was no way to really correct that through the story. Graphical issues, clipping, game freezes, the fetch quests, the journal system, that god awful pausing while you get scanned on the Normandy, trying to force other LI's on me, the lack of male options for a Shep who either romanced Thane or Jacob and Kaidan was Virmire'd (not that my Shep would ever move on but some would and it wasn't there for them) and that ENDING. WTF? BW, is this the best you can do? I think somewhere someone knew this was all garbage and people would be pissed so they slapped on a sh**ty ending in hopes that all the other glaring issues would be overlooked. If the ending is so bad, they will honestly think the rest of the game is great. Nice try, doesn't fly, your game sucks as it stands.

^ I second this!! Everyone is going on about adding dlc or changing the ending but what we really need is a whole new game!

While we need a whole new game, "Operation: Raptor" lauches this weekend for MP.  This is the third "Operation" weekend in a row.  They definitely know where to make their money.  Unfortunately it's at the expense (or appears to be) of the single player campaign.  That and I get the feeling that they really wanted to push it to market - they could have waited another year to perfect it and that would not have impacted sales in the least.  I would have waited 5 years, just like Oblivion to Skyrim, and been content to line up all kinds of Sheps for import.  Now I doubt the 6 I have will ever get to see London. 

[coldwetn0se]

Kaija wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

@Cosmo - This is exactly why I couldn't continue playing. How is it that the following things seemed to be ignored: the "out of character" auto-dialogue, the story no-no's (IMO) of her incarceration for 6 months (from a story point I have a big problem with the beginning sequence...have since the demo), the change in character arcs, the bugs/glitches, the plot armor for ridiculous characters (KL), the lack of dialogue options, the sidelining of beloved characters (hello ME2 squaddies), the immersion breaking (on occasion) gameplay, the useless journal, the less than fun scan/fetch quests........

I realize that this is my opinion, and I would hope that anyone who payed for a game of a beloved series, could find enjoyment out of it, but for me -- I just can't get past these things.

BTW, @Aislinn - In case you missed it......LOVE your video! Brilliant and beautiful! Thank you for sharing.

That really bothered me a lot. For the current universe situation, to take Shepard out of the things for 6 months is disastrous. For her relationship with Thane it is unacceptable. They took away any chance that they ever got to "see a desert" or even talk or spend time together. For someone who is terminally ill that is a horrible thing to do to both characters. the fact that Shepard went along with it and found no way to contact him (even when she was released if we go by the horrible ME3 dialogue!) goes so against who Shepard has been up to this point.

Exactly!  I have spent waaaaay to much crazy time talking to my self about how NONE of my Sheps (even the ones who acted all "WHOOORAAAH!" for the Alliance), would have "turned themselves in".  Uh-uh, no!  Since they had to start everyone off at the same place, which I can understand from a resource POV, they probably should have gone for an Alliance trap for Shepard, and even then, house arrest shouldn't have been more than a few weeks to maybe, a couple of months. 

The conversation in the beginning with Anderson, as you are walking to the council chamber, would then reflect the type of Shep you created.....for example, if you were a Paragon/Alliance lover, the dialogue would reflect (and appropriate choices would be given) a reluctant understand and (for the lack of a better word) compliance.  And it would be easy to have a middle ground (which is where my Sheps usually were) and a pure renegade Shep; not agreeing with how the Alliance is/was handling it, and stating as much, all the way to "RAWR, burn in Hell Alliance scum"

@utaker - Damn woman.....I just got all hot and bothered by your rant!  Good on ya!