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Bioware do not cave in and change the ending.


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Valo_Soren wrote...

Yes I have. I love the endings, I have played through Me 1 and 2 both seven bloody times, and I love the ending choices of Mass Effect 3. Try not to make any more general statements.


No you don't. You don't give a damn about ME story, you just like it for the pew pew.

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The ending left me confused and wondering if I really did just play a Mass Effect game... why did Harby have a 6 second cameo where he just zaps you and runs, why did the catalyst take the form of the kid that's been haunting your dreams, what proof is there that organics are destined to create synthetics that will destroy them........ I have far too many questions now and unlike the last two games I am in no hurry to start another character..

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Izhalezan wrote...

The ending left me confused and wondering if I really did just play a Mass Effect game... why did Harby have a 6 second cameo where he just zaps you and runs, why did the catalyst take the form of the kid that's been haunting your dreams, what proof is there that organics are destined to create synthetics that will destroy them........


Even with the proof of organics and synthetics learning to co-exist (Geth and Quarians) being literally RIGHT THERE. They alone disprove everything the idiot child says, so of course let's just ignore them!

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Even with the proof of organics and synthetics learning to co-exist (Geth and Quarians) being literally RIGHT THERE. They alone disprove everything the idiot child says, so of course let's just ignore them!


To be fair, I kinda understand this. Have you ever tried arguing with kids? What was Shepard supposed to say?
Shepard: "You are wrong. I got organics and synthetics to coexist peacefully"
Guardin: "No I'm right"
Shepard: "No, you are wrong"
Guardian: "Right"
Shepard: "Wrong"
Guarding: "Nuh-huh"
Shepard: "Uh-huh"
Guardian: "Nuh-huh"
Shepard:  "Screw this. DESTROY ENDING!"

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Lexagg wrote...

To be fair, I kinda understand this. Have you ever tried arguing with kids? What was Shepard supposed to say?
Shepard: "You are wrong. I got organics and synthetics to coexist peacefully"
Guardin: "No I'm right"
Shepard: "No, you are wrong"
Guardian: "Right"
Shepard: "Wrong"
Guarding: "Nuh-huh"
Shepard: "Uh-huh"
Guardian: "Nuh-huh"
Shepard:  "Screw this. DESTROY ENDING!"


At that point my shepard would have kicked him in the daddybags and use the goddamn weapon like it should. Because space god kid is full of BS.

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Honestly, where are the interrupts? Did Shep get hit with Bolt of Drain Pontification Skill+200?

Imagine caving into Saren in ME1, or Harbinger in ME2, because this is exactly what you're doing here.

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It would have been better to have an additional ending scene (after the cutscenes) similar to dragon age origins: a group of text written endings that tells us what happens to the rest of the galaxy after!

The ending CGs and cutscenes were great but.... If ME3 is going to be the last of the series then we need a proper closure. No need for fancy CGs or whatnot, just a couple of text written endings that tells us what happens to the rest of the galaxy after the war. I think having this would be enough to grant us closure. It would be nice to know what happens to the quarians and geth after all our decisions. Or what happens to the krogans and their "new empire" after being free of the genophage (or their extiction). Heck, i wanna know what happens to my squadmates after my "sacrifice"!

Please conisder Devs. I wouldn't demand you guys to re-create an entirely new CG ending to a game. But making a DLC that enables this DAO text-ending feature should be easier AND enough for most of us.

Also, I think the normandy crash scene in the end is [indeed] confusing and posts too many "what-if" questions that mitigates the impact of a "closure".

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 I posted this somewhere else and I felt the need to post this here also. This is my response to someone who said the ending did not make sense in a derisive tone.  

Actually the ending makes complete sense. Every single cycle is destroyed precisely because their technology was based on the Mass Relays. Sovereign says this itself. The reason every single choice you make(only chose to destroy Reaper and Synthetic will make different choice next runs) The Mass Relays being destroyed in all three endings makes sense because youre giving Organics something they havent had in MILLIONS of years; freedom to develop on their own path.

And getting some picture and text explanation of your squadmates and galaxy would contradict that. How can a future be provided for you the player, when the whole entire point of all three games was fighting against a future imposed on you for evolving?

Meeting the Catalyst makes sense also because the Catalyst is a Boltzmann Brain. A self realized entity the manifests from a state of chaos. Which the Catalyst and Reapers have been doing for countless cycles. Imposing order on the chaos out of an act of self-preservation. Only ONE existed when others could have if Organic and Synthetic life could flourish and reach some equilibrium on its own, or evolve to a consciousness of a higher order of the AIs own level.

That is why the ending is beautiful and doesn`t need to be changed. It is perfect.


Silence you fool! You'll ruin it for everyone!

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JanakiLotus wrote...

 I posted this somewhere else and I felt the need to post this here also. This is my response to someone who said the ending did not make sense in a derisive tone.  

Actually the ending makes complete sense. Every single cycle is destroyed precisely because their technology was based on the Mass Relays. Sovereign says this itself. The reason every single choice you make(only chose to destroy Reaper and Synthetic will make different choice next runs) The Mass Relays being destroyed in all three endings makes sense because youre giving Organics something they havent had in MILLIONS of years; freedom to develop on their own path.

And getting some picture and text explanation of your squadmates and galaxy would contradict that. How can a future be provided for you the player, when the whole entire point of all three games was fighting against a future imposed on you for evolving?

Meeting the Catalyst makes sense also because the Catalyst is a Boltzmann Brain. A self realized entity the manifests from a state of chaos. Which the Catalyst and Reapers have been doing for countless cycles. Imposing order on the chaos out of an act of self-preservation. Only ONE existed when others could have if Organic and Synthetic life could flourish and reach some equilibrium on its own, or evolve to a consciousness of a higher order of the AIs own level.

That is why the ending is beautiful and doesn`t need to be changed. It is perfect.


Also if they add an ending that allows you to keep the relays it ruins the power of having to make the decision to destroy them, the inevitability of it. In fact I loved that twist at the end, even if the ending could use some more polish, and removing it ruins the trilogy.

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Lexagg wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

Yes I have. I love the endings, I have played through Me 1 and 2 both seven bloody times, and I love the ending choices of Mass Effect 3. Try not to make any more general statements.


No you don't. You don't give a damn about ME story, you just like it for the pew pew.


Yeah, I shall not respond to rude and judgemental comments anymore.

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OP is part of the 3%....

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However they could do well by adding at least 1 which would reward the particular players who excelled in the 3 games based on paragon points, right decisions, max. war assets and even perhaps completion of games at high diffilcutly levels. As Legion or EDI would say, "It's only logical to do so".


It doesn't  have to be based on paragon points. A player can play nearly all renegade but if he makes the correct paragon choice for example choosing to let Wrex know that Shepard was offered to sabatoge the genophage then that would be fine.

In my opinion BW should add a good/happy ending that should consist of scenes.....

1. Shepard surviving and there being a big celebration afterwards.  All races would be celebrating and there would be world peace.  No more chaos like that kid states. No more "creation will always want to kill creator".  This is false because the Geth never wanted to kill the Quarians.  They acted in self defense. But obviously during the course of the game you can smooth things over between Geth/Quarians. A scene like this would work fine....www.youtube.com/watch

2. A scene where Quarians rebuild their home.  The Geth would help with rebuilding. Their finally no longer at each other's throat and now trust each other.  No more killing and chaos.

3.  Scene where Krogans and Tuchanka get better. Genophage cured. Krogans are united under Wrex.  No more clans/separtist and all Krogans become reunited. Hence no more chaos. Wrex could possibly get a seat on the council. No more chaos

4. Scene where Rachni being free and being understood.

If I missed any race you get the idea.

They should also add scenes for each squad member in the past. This definitely helps with closure because we don't know what the heck happned to them in the 3 endings we got.

For example...

Miranda and Oriana being free and happy. With their father gone they don't have to run anymore and they can live normal lives.

Jack continuing to teach Biotic kids.

Garrus continues fighting and becomes a Spectre. (He did say he would make another attempt at being a spectre at the end of ME1)

Jacob and his GF starting a family.  After all he said his GF was pregnant and he considered settling down.

Tali finally gets her house.

James Vega getting in N7.

Liara becomes a significant figure in Thessia. If romanced Shepard and Liara get married and have some blue kids. This is implied in LOTSB.

So you guys get the idea. IF romanced then these endings would change.

Bioware should have done something like this in the first place in my opinion. It's conclusive and simple. And we all know they can easily do it.  They shoud make steep requirements though.  Like making the right decisions, all squad members must survive the suicide mission back in ME2 etc. If BW does this I'd be EXTREMELY HAPPY.

Modifié par ShadowJ20, 11 mars 2012 - 12:42 .


#113
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I agree that there is this beauty in the end: for the first time ever since the creation of the reapers galaxy civilization has a chance to do something different... especially if you got the green ending.
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Now, I understand why people are mad. This "hope" is only in the very long term, thousand of years after the events of ME, it's not something you can easily relate and say "oh, my Shepard is responsible for this".
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Anyway, I don't like all of the ending (the conversation with the Guardian is bad and the Normandy running away is weird), but I the overall picture is great.
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If Bioware wants to add new endings, I won't complain, but I'm not asking for them.
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I would choose other things if I could.

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DthJk34 wrote...

Also if they add an ending that allows you to keep the relays it ruins the power of having to make the decision to destroy them, the inevitability of it. In fact I loved that twist at the end, even if the ending could use some more polish, and removing it ruins the trilogy.


"The inevitability" is what ruins the trilogy. Mass Effect was always about CHOICE, it was never about inevitability.

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Valo_Soren wrote...

Yes I have. I love the endings, I have played through Me 1 and 2 both seven bloody times, and I love the ending choices of Mass Effect 3. Try not to make any more general statements.


No you don't. You don't give a damn about ME story, you just like it for the pew pew.

Lol this guy...:lol: