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[kyleh619]

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Thought on the ending:

1. The endgame scenario is Indoctrination/Manipulation from the Reapers (Harbinger) trying to force you into choosing to let the Reapers live. Shepard is not awake during the final sceens!

2. Choosing to control the Reapers allows them to live. Reapers win. They will still exist.

3. Choosing to combine organic and synthetic life: Reapers win. They will still exist.

4. Choosing to destroy all synthetic life: Reapers loose. Shepard lives. Reapers die.

5. Choosing to destroy all synthetic life option is more Renegade in appearence. Controlling the Reapers is more Paragon in appearence. The Illusive Man's choice should not be Paragon colors, just as Anderson's choice should not be Renegade.

6. Shepard awakes at the end of destroying Reapers. But Shepard is not awaking from the aftermath. He is awaking from either after he is hit by Harbingers lazer attack on Earth or after the scene with Anderson and the Illusive Man.

7. Stating that all sythetic life will be destroyed will give you pause; destroying the Geth can force you to a different conclusion. This choice exists for the illusion of choice; the other choices are ment to sound better.

8. Shepard does not awake in the other 2 "endings" because you are fully indoctrinated by the choices you made to allow the Reapers to win. "Assuming Control!"

9. Never trust any child construct, be it a ghost or artificial intelligence, or heck even human. They are just creepy.

10. Shepard awakes at the end because he has broken hold of the Reaper's control.

11. Shepard has spent alot of time around Reapers. Soveriegn, various Reaper artifacts, the Human Reaper, 2 Reaper destroyers, the Artifact from "The Arrival." Its foolish to assume there is not some level of indoctrination.

12. Bioware not only get more $$$ for DLC for the final battle, but big props for INDOCTRINATING A LOT OF ITS OWN PLAYERS! I do not know of another gaming company that has tried to fool all of its consumers, but they look to be the first and reap all of the attention.


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Kitten Tactics:

-The endgame scenario is Indoctrination/Manipulation from the Reapers
(Harbinger) trying to force you into choosing to let the Reapers live.
Shepard is not awake during the final scenes.

-Choosing Control - You can not control them, they control you. Shepard says as much to the Illusive Man moments earlier.

-Choosing
Synthesis - Allows everyone in the galaxy to be manipulated by Reaper
code, like they have done to the Geth multiple times now.

-Choosing Destroy - Breaks the hold the reapers have on Shepard's mind.

-Choosing
to destroy all synthetic life option is more Renegade in appearence.
Controlling the Reapers is more Paragon in appearence. The Illusive
Man's choice should not be Paragon colors, just as Anderson's choice
should not be Renegade. The reapers are saying that Destroy is the
worst, Control is worse, and Synthesis is the best. They want you to
fail.

-Stating that all sythetic life will be destroyed will
give you pause; destroying the Geth can force you to a different
conclusion. This choice exists for the illusion of choice; the other
choices are ment to sound better.

-Shepard wakes up after
Destroy, because the Reaper's hold is diminished. Shepard does not
awake in the other 2 "endings" because you are fully indoctrinated by
the choices you made to allow the Reapers to win. "Assuming Control!"

-The
child does not actually exist. He is an attempt to indoctrinate
Shepard. Nobody but Shepard ever sees or interacts with the child.

-When
Anderson calls for Shepard at the beginning of the game, when Shepard
is talking to the child, Shepard turns back and the child is gone.
Shepard has been "snapped out of it".

-When Shepard turns towards
Anderson after being "snapped out of it", a growl is heard. In the
third novel, when Greyson resisted the reapers they would make a
growling noise once they realized they didn't have him under complete
control.

-During Shepard's final dream with the child, chatter
can be heard over the radio about nobody making it to the beam. Shepard
is still in London.

-When Shepard catches the child in the final
dream, they are both engulfed in flame. Going with the child (the
reapers) means Shepard's destruction.

-Shepard has spent alot of
time around Reapers. Soveriegn, various Reaper artifacts, the Human
Reaper, 2 Reaper destroyers, the Artifact from "The Arrival." Its
foolish to assume there is not some level of indoctrination.

-When Shepard wakes up at the end of Destroy, he/she is waking up in London, after being hit with the laser.

These are my thoughts after a few days of panic after completing the game. My choice was to destroy synthetic life. Discuss.

Modifié par kyleh619, 11 mars 2012 - 01:27 .

[Sajuro]

I like this, but people said the exact same thing in the other hallucination thread.

[MattFini]

Yeah. The only way out of this mess is to create some DLC that un-writes that junk ending as some kind of Reaper ploy. Shep has to snap out of his/her indoctrination and see the battle through to the end.

It's either that, or live with what we have. Which effectively pisses all over what was a brilliantly written game 90% of the way through.

[Kenthen]

It's not a hallucination. Someone actually mixed poo into the cake batter. It is not a dream.

[NoUserNameHere]

Post-arrival, Shepard assures Hacket that he's not having any more strange dreams. Dreams caused by the Rho artifiact.

What the OP described was pretty much my initial interpretation of the ending sequence. The caveat here being that the Normandy (and squad) randomly teleporting to that planet is symbolic of the crew moving on in your wake.

[kyleh619]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

Post-arrival, Shepard assures Hacket that he's not having any more strange dreams. Dreams caused by the Rho artifiact.

Forgot about that.

[Iron Ranger]

Good write up, I think alot of us have woundered exactly how indoctrianted Shep might really be. Cant be too bad up to this point however as the Protien Decives keep working for him.

[HeyUder]

kyleh619 wrote...

Thought on the ending:

1. The endgame scenario is Indoctrination/Manipulation from the Reapers (Harbinger) trying to force you into choosing to let the Reapers live. Shepard is not awake during the final sceens!

2. Choosing to control the Reapers allows them to live. Reapers win. They will still exist.

3. Choosing to combine organic and synthetic life: Reapers win. They will still exist.

4. Choosing to destroy all synthetic life: Reapers loose. Shepard lives. Reapers die.

12. Bioware not only get more $$$ for DLC for the final battle, but big props for INDOCTRINATING A LOT OF ITS OWN PLAYERS! I do not know of another gaming company that has tried to fool all of its consumers, but they look to be the first and reap all of the attention.


These are my thoughts after a few days of panic after completing the game. My choice was to destroy synthetic life. Discuss.

Number 12 is precisely what gave me pause in the final choice room. I saw TIM at the blue/Paragon part, and he was indoctrinated, yet the influence was that his choice was Paragon. I saw Anderson, a good guy, at the red terminal, which is supposedly Renegade. It would make sense that the indoctrinated person would be protrayed positively by Harbinger trying to trick you. It also makes sense that the "synthesis" option (AKA - indecisive, more cop out option) would be another way for the Reapers to win. Perhaps it is preferable and such a huge beacon because the synthesis allows more control for the Reapers. I thought it was very suspect that the Reapers flew off of Earth after the Synthesis ending. Seems to me that the red "please don't do that" idea is the correct choice.

[kyleh619]

Bioware indoctrinating its own consumers

[meiwow2]

I've heard a lot of people say that controlling the reapers is paragon and destroying them is renegade and I think that's rediculous.
Renegade doesn't = evil.
Renegade means not wanting to let things go while paragon means sacrificing and doing the right thing.
It doesn't mean good or evil people, get it through your heads.
The easy choise is not the best one.

[WarBaby2]

Ok then... here BioWare, see? We even give you a good build up for a better ending! Go for it!

[meiwow2]

kyleh619 wrote...

Bioware indoctrinating its own consumers

They did.
Not me though, I chose the path on the right I proudly say.
I was like, "control you? sure, I got you, give me a minute.. where's my gun :P"

[kyleh619]

meiwow2 wrote...

kyleh619 wrote...

Bioware indoctrinating its own consumers

They did.
Not me though, I chose the path on the right I proudly say.
I was like, "control you? sure, I got you, give me a minute.. where's my gun :P"

I did the same thing.

[Regono]

Wait what if we are indoctrinated. Just like how at the end of Inception the film performed Inception on us to make us believe in the idea of it. We are so blinded by the ending because we are indoctrinated and in a few days they will release a code for unlocked dlc that is already on the disk for the true ending like some crazy marketing stunt.

[kyleh619]

Regono wrote...

Wait what if we are indoctrinated. Just like how at the end of Inception the film performed Inception on us to make us believe in the idea of it. We are so blinded by the ending because we are indoctrinated and in a few days they will release a code for unlocked dlc that is already on the disk for the true ending like some crazy marketing stunt.

Its a game.... within a game.... or wait... is that what they want us to think?

[Phaedra Sanguine]

I've got to admit, that whole setup sounds like it's actually true.

[Necroscope]

WarBaby2 wrote...

Ok then... here BioWare, see? We even give you a good build up for a better ending! Go for it!

^This.

[RussianOrc]

kyleh619 wrote...

Thought on the ending:

1. The endgame scenario is Indoctrination/Manipulation from the Reapers (Harbinger) trying to force you into choosing to let the Reapers live. Shepard is not awake during the final sceens!

2. Choosing to control the Reapers allows them to live. Reapers win. They will still exist.

3. Choosing to combine organic and synthetic life: Reapers win. They will still exist.

4. Choosing to destroy all synthetic life: Reapers loose. Shepard lives. Reapers die.

5. Choosing to destroy all synthetic life option is more Renegade in appearence. Controlling the Reapers is more Paragon in appearence. The Illusive Man's choice should not be Paragon colors, just as Anderson's choice should not be Renegade.

6. Shepard awakes at the end of destroying Reapers. But Shepard is not awaking from the aftermath. He is awaking from either after he is hit by Harbingers lazer attack on Earth or after the scene with Anderson and the Illusive Man.

7. Stating that all sythetic life will be destroyed will give you pause; destroying the Geth can force you to a different conclusion. This choice exists for the illusion of choice; the other choices are ment to sound better.

8. Shepard does not awake in the other 2 "endings" because you are fully indoctrinated by the choices you made to allow the Reapers to win. "Assuming Control!"

9. Never trust any child construct, be it a ghost or artificial intelligence, or heck even human. They are just creepy.

10. Shepard awakes at the end because he has broken hold of the Reaper's control.

11. Shepard has spent alot of time around Reapers. Soveriegn, various Reaper artifacts, the Human Reaper, 2 Reaper destroyers, the Artifact from "The Arrival." Its foolish to assume there is not some level of indoctrination.

12. Bioware not only get more $$$ for DLC for the final battle, but big props for INDOCTRINATING A LOT OF ITS OWN PLAYERS! I do not know of another gaming company that has tried to fool all of its consumers, but they look to be the first and reap all of the attention.


These are my thoughts after a few days of panic after completing the game. My choice was to destroy synthetic life. Discuss.

if you're right then we all own bioware an apology,but i don't think thats the case.... 

Modifié par RussianOrc, 10 mars 2012 - 10:40 .

[RyMann88]

Now that I think about it... It does make a bit of sense... Shepard is also part synthetic due to the events of the ME2 intro... Nice pick-up. Now lets see Bioware's reaction...

[Sajuro]

Regono wrote...

Wait what if we are indoctrinated. Just like how at the end of Inception the film performed Inception on us to make us believe in the idea of it. We are so blinded by the ending because we are indoctrinated and in a few days they will release a code for unlocked dlc that is already on the disk for the true ending like some crazy marketing stunt.

If Bioware does that, they would be success trolling to the maximum and I would love them because of it.

[mione]

This is the only outcome that makes sense (That or Shep is still on Earth after the beam hit) and they can easily continue and end the story with this concept in a DLC package.

[Reign762]

Paxcorpus wrote...

I've got to admit, that whole setup sounds like it's actually true.

The problem here is that it's not good marketting sense.  The game was going to sell well regardless, however, you still do not want to risk potential sales because of a "bad" ending leaking.  It would give non fans people pause.  The goal with any game is to push as many sales in the first week as possible and not have it spoiled.  If a person is on the fence with a product, and they hear the ending is bad, they won't buy the game.

While I doubt losing a few potential customers isn't going to hurt BioWare's bottom line, it does push away potential new customers to the franchise and any business wants to gain money, not lose it in any form.  I highly doubt their goal was to ****** off a large majority of players and then say, "Just kidding."

[BS Veyron]

destroying the Reapers is renegade because in the process you wipe out the Geth who are your allies and Ede

Modifié par BS Veyron, 10 mars 2012 - 10:46 .

[Can0fCorn]

If there was locked data for another ending on the disc itself, we owe BW the biggest apology ever. Like a "were sorry" card the size of the crucible.