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[Kitten Tactics]

This theory is amazing.

[RussianOrc]

now that you've said.....
its really strange that the boy/god/whatever says that the illusive man was right although it shows anderson destroying then.

[Reign762]

Can0fCorn wrote...

If there was locked data for another ending on the disc itself, we owe BW the biggest apology ever. Like a "were sorry" card the size of the crucible.

"Why?"  I don't follow this logic.  BioWare would owe the fan base an apology the size of the crucible if this is anywhere remotely true for pulling a stunt like this.

[Bigdoser]

HeyUder wrote...

kyleh619 wrote...

Thought on the ending:

1. The endgame scenario is Indoctrination/Manipulation from the Reapers (Harbinger) trying to force you into choosing to let the Reapers live. Shepard is not awake during the final sceens!

2. Choosing to control the Reapers allows them to live. Reapers win. They will still exist.

3. Choosing to combine organic and synthetic life: Reapers win. They will still exist.

4. Choosing to destroy all synthetic life: Reapers loose. Shepard lives. Reapers die.

12. Bioware not only get more $$$ for DLC for the final battle, but big props for INDOCTRINATING A LOT OF ITS OWN PLAYERS! I do not know of another gaming company that has tried to fool all of its consumers, but they look to be the first and reap all of the attention.


These are my thoughts after a few days of panic after completing the game. My choice was to destroy synthetic life. Discuss.

Number 12 is precisely what gave me pause in the final choice room. I saw TIM at the blue/Paragon part, and he was indoctrinated, yet the influence was that his choice was Paragon. I saw Anderson, a good guy, at the red terminal, which is supposedly Renegade. It would make sense that the indoctrinated person would be protrayed positively by Harbinger trying to trick you. It also makes sense that the "synthesis" option (AKA - indecisive, more cop out option) would be another way for the Reapers to win. Perhaps it is preferable and such a huge beacon because the synthesis allows more control for the Reapers. I thought it was very suspect that the Reapers flew off of Earth after the Synthesis ending. Seems to me that the red "please don't do that" idea is the correct choice.

I agree, I personally think control is not a solution to the problem at hand and I think the control ending is pretty much you agreeing with guardian and coutining the cycle and synthesis my opinion on that ending is you losing everything that makes the races what they are. The control and synthesis ending is a betrayel to everyone who fought and bled to defeat the reapers and javik will be pissed if you picked those two XD. So I think the destroy ending is pretty much the middle finger to the gurdian and the reapers and the tech singularity bull****. 


If they go the indoctrination route when they change the endings I can see that picking the red ending breaks the indoctrination since as I said before the destory ending is a big F U to the reapers and gurdian. 

[kyleh619]

Reign762 wrote...

While I doubt losing a few potential customers isn't going to hurt BioWare's bottom line, it does push away potential new customers to the franchise and any business wants to gain money, not lose it in any form.  I highly doubt their goal was to ****** off a large majority of players and then say, "Just kidding."

I agree with you. But right now many of us are grasping at straws. We can only hope. It all makes sense, but there is a lot of maybes and what ifs when it comes to sorting out the endings. I really dispise DLC. But if there will be an endgame DLC, we will force ourselves to buy it.

[Kitten Tactics]

 No, seriously.  This theory is amazing.

[Gamer Genocider]

The Reapers are already winning the battle, why would they trick you into letting them escape?

Modifié par Gamer Genocider, 10 mars 2012 - 10:52 .

[meiwow2]

BS Veyron wrote...

destroying the Reapers is renegade because in the process you wipe out the Geth who are your allies and Ede

Using that same logic we could say that saving kaiden or ashley in mass effect 1 is a renegade choise because in the process the other one dies?
No, paragon is to make tough choises and sacrifices for the greater good not doing something that makes you feel good, that's renegade...
Renegade is to want to keep everything when yu are not sure if it's going to work or not, gambleling with the lives of the galaxy on the falce pretences that you will be able to control the reapers...

Modifié par meiwow2, 10 mars 2012 - 10:55 .

[Eydris Ivo]

Fingers crossed.

[kyleh619]

Gamer Genocider wrote...

The Reapers are already winning the battle, why would they trick you into letting them escape?

Good thought. You would think that Harbinger and the other Reaper elites would go straight for the Crucible instead going back to London. Perhaps the Crucible is just that well guarded and they wouldnt risk a head-on fight.

[Illusive]

Good theory, and I hope it's true, but why would Harbinger not just kill/finish off Shepard when he goes down after the first beam attack, rather than hope to indoctrinate him?

[RussianOrc]

Gamer Genocider wrote...

The Reapers are already winning the battle, why would they trick you into letting them escape?

Because if this theory is correct the crucible was never really activated, and may actualy kill the reapers, so they are trying to convince you not to use it. 

[Kitten Tactics]

Gamer Genocider wrote...

The Reapers are already winning the battle, why would they trick you into letting them escape?

Maybe they weren't winning after all.  Maybe they know that Shepard is close.

[kyleh619]

Kings19 wrote...

Good theory, and I hope it's true, but why would Harbinger not just kill/finish off Shepard when he goes down after the first beam attack, rather than hope to indoctrinate him?

Thats why I am not sure if the hallucination is after the lazer attack or after the talk with Anderson and the Illusive Man at the Citadel.

[meiwow2]

kyleh619 wrote...

Gamer Genocider wrote...

The Reapers are already winning the battle, why would they trick you into letting them escape?

Good thought. You would think that Harbinger and the other Reaper elites would go straight for the Crucible instead going back to London. Perhaps the Crucible is just that well guarded and they wouldnt risk a head-on fight.

The crucible is inside the citadel (the catalyst) in london...
To answer the question, It may be that you are hallusinating and the reapers are trying to trick you and the key to indoctronate you is to have you go for the "control" option just like they did with the illusive man.

[meiwow2]

kyleh619 wrote...

Kings19 wrote...

Good theory, and I hope it's true, but why would Harbinger not just kill/finish off Shepard when he goes down after the first beam attack, rather than hope to indoctrinate him?

Thats why I am not sure if the hallucination is after the lazer attack or after the talk with Anderson and the Illusive Man at the Citadel.

I think it's after you talk to the illusive man and adnderson when you collapse saying "I'm not sure how to..."

[CommanderSmacker]

Pretty sweet if this happens to be true!

[RussianOrc]

so...if thats right that boy is probably harbinger?

[Legendaryred]

Uh hell nah

[Kitten Tactics]

kyleh619 wrote...

Kings19 wrote...

Good theory, and I hope it's true, but why would Harbinger not just kill/finish off Shepard when he goes down after the first beam attack, rather than hope to indoctrinate him?

Thats why I am not sure if the hallucination is after the lazer attack or after the talk with Anderson and the Illusive Man at the Citadel.

Shepard waking up in the rubble during the secret ending implies it's after the laser struck, on Earth.  And it would make perfect sense to stop Shepard before (s)he got that close.

[kyleh619]

meiwow2 wrote...

The crucible is inside the citadel (the catalyst) in london...
To answer the question, It may be that you are hallusinating and the reapers are trying to trick you and the key to indoctronate you is to have you go for the "control" option just like they did with the illusive man.

No, the teleportation device is in London. The Citidel is in orbit around Earth.

[cannedcream]

kyleh619 wrote...

Bioware indoctrinating its own consumers

That explains why I keep giving them my money.

[kyleh619]

meiwow2 wrote...

I think it's after you talk to the illusive man and adnderson when you collapse saying "I'm not sure how to..."

I agree.

Modifié par kyleh619, 10 mars 2012 - 11:03 .

[Phaedra Sanguine]

RussianOrc wrote...

so...if thats right that boy is probably harbinger?

You know, I thought about this too. It's very possible this could really be the truth. Harbinger knows Shepard has been feeling bad - no horrible, over watching the death of this young boy. So, in order to gain his trust, he takes on the embodiment of that child.

[ArmyKnifeX]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

kyleh619 wrote...

Kings19 wrote...

Good theory, and I hope it's true, but why would Harbinger not just kill/finish off Shepard when he goes down after the first beam attack, rather than hope to indoctrinate him?

Thats why I am not sure if the hallucination is after the lazer attack or after the talk with Anderson and the Illusive Man at the Citadel.

Shepard waking up in the rubble during the secret ending implies it's after the laser struck, on Earth.  And it would make perfect sense to stop Shepard before (s)he got that close.

The major problem I have with this is... if you don't want to spend any more money on the game or DLC to see this through to its conclusion, then the game is utterly unsatisfying. There should be some footage of the truth if you choose to fail correctly. Or some hint of it, at least. Not some stargazer saying "Tell us more tales of the Shepard!" The whole Stargazer bit kinda ruins a lot of this theory, as do some statements from a BW writer who specifically said that there's a "silver lining" in the destruction of the Mass Relays. So... this is really just epileptic trees.