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The ending is an hallucination! You are being Indoctrinated!


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kyleh619 wrote...

Since Mass Effect 2 I have wondered if Shepard 2.0 is some type of Reaper. All those "cutting edge" technologies to rebuild him/her. But its a long shot. I don't think Cerberus had Reaper tech then. Probably not true.


If you read the books, Cerberus definitely had reaper tech before the events of ME3, and even before ME2. Just ask Paul Grayson.

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Sajuro wrote...

I like this, but people said the exact same thing in the other hallucination thread.


It's something that deserves to be reiterated. If it does indeed turn out the Control and Synthesis are both actions carried out by an indoctrinated Shepard that end up indoctrinating or indoctrinating + converting the entire galaxy that would be very interesting. And then with the Destroy ending Shepard is waking up back on Earth or the room you confronted TIM in, having fought the indoctrination and maintained her/his conviction. That the whole thing is an illusion brought on by Harbinger makes so much sense it's almost painful, BUT the question then becomes is it intentional? 

If it is intentional then the ending has even less of a conclusion than if you took it at face value. And if it is intentional and going to be expanded upon why withhold a more substantial ending in the game's actual release? Even if the indoctrination theory is true, and it works really well at that, leaving it so open ended is still kind of cheap.

If it's not intentional... well it can be made so with an expansion pack eh?

For clarification I chose Synthesis at the time, my Shepard would neither want to control the Reapers nor destroy all synthetic beings.

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If I can add something this would also explain why you can see characters that came with you for the final mission (characters that probably died) suddenly safe and sound aboard the Normandy after it crash lands.

If Indoc works to manipulate a person's thinking, then what better what to keep Shepard 'sedated' then by showing him his crew, friends, and LI are all safe and sound somewhere beautiful and far away from the death?

I really do like this theory.


Well if you play that section again instead of running at the beam look behind you and you will not see any of the squadmates you chose behind you. So technically they were not with you in the beam attack. They were probably still in the truck when it came to that crashing stop.

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Animositisomina wrote...

kyleh619 wrote...

Since Mass Effect 2 I have wondered if Shepard 2.0 is some type of Reaper. All those "cutting edge" technologies to rebuild him/her. But its a long shot. I don't think Cerberus had Reaper tech then. Probably not true.


If you read the books, Cerberus definitely had reaper tech before the events of ME3, and even before ME2. Just ask Paul Grayson.


Never did read the books. Thanks!

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meiwow2 wrote...
The theory is basicly that Shepard gets knocked out by the lazer and while laying on the floor weak after spending time around reapers he starts halusinating and becoming indoctrinated and you have to fight it off by chosing to destroy the reapers instead of joining and "controlling" them. Its all a dream and a trick.
Otherwise it doesn't make sence if he was really in space.. to wake up on earth in a pile of ruble...


It's awesome, really. The 'Destroy' ending isn't really you destroying the Reapers, Geth, and AI/VIs, it's you breaking your hold from the Reapers. That's why it's only ending where Shepard wakes up.

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kyleh619 wrote...

Never did read the books. Thanks!


The first three books by Drew Karpyshyn are definitely worth reading.

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cannedcream wrote...

It's awesome, really. The 'Destroy' ending isn't really you destroying the Reapers, Geth, and AI/VIs, it's you breaking your hold from the Reapers. That's why it's only ending where Shepard wakes up.


Yep.

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kingbear951 wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

If I can add something this would also explain why you can see characters that came with you for the final mission (characters that probably died) suddenly safe and sound aboard the Normandy after it crash lands.

If Indoc works to manipulate a person's thinking, then what better what to keep Shepard 'sedated' then by showing him his crew, friends, and LI are all safe and sound somewhere beautiful and far away from the death?

I really do like this theory.


Well if you play that section again instead of running at the beam look behind you and you will not see any of the squadmates you chose behind you. So technically they were not with you in the beam attack. They were probably still in the truck when it came to that crashing stop.


I did check after I got lazard (I needed to make sure Tali and Garrus weren't dead), but not while I was running.

But, you're right, they weren't there and may have still been in the truck.

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In my mind it makes absolutely no sense why they would make an ending that would require that much "connecting the dots". What exactly is the purpose of making an ending to a trilogy, that the vast majority of players wont understand? Why make an ending that is that implicit as to what is really going on, i just find it highly unlikely. Its like congratulations you have complete the series, here is a collection of riddles as to what really happened, good luck deciphering them.

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Please, I hope this is true. It would be so much better.

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Mhgasa wrote...

In my mind it makes absolutely no sense why they would make an ending that would require that much "connecting the dots". What exactly is the purpose of making an ending to a trilogy, that the vast majority of players wont understand? Why make an ending that is that implicit as to what is really going on, i just find it highly unlikely. Its like congratulations you have complete the series, here is a collection of riddles as to what really happened, good luck deciphering them.

Because they aren't done?  They've told us to hang on to our copies.  What better way to prevent the ending from leaking than by crafting a fake ending?

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MPSai wrote...

For clarification I chose Synthesis at the time, my Shepard would neither want to control the Reapers nor destroy all synthetic beings.

If our theory is true, he wouldn't have a choise because it would all have been a lie and choosing to "control" would have been nothing more than the final "key" to indoctrinate him.

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kyleh619 wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

It's awesome, really. The 'Destroy' ending isn't really you destroying the Reapers, Geth, and AI/VIs, it's you breaking your hold from the Reapers. That's why it's only ending where Shepard wakes up.


Yep.


Love it.

That gives me hope that we'll see a DLC where we fight to get the true ending. If the KO indoc started on Earth, then we can put the squadmates in it, if it happens after TIM, then it would be a solo DLC.

Okay, even IF BW doesn't do anything with this, I have decided that this is canon for me. Hell, if my game.

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Mhgasa wrote...

In my mind it makes absolutely no sense why they would make an ending that would require that much "connecting the dots". What exactly is the purpose of making an ending to a trilogy, that the vast majority of players wont understand? Why make an ending that is that implicit as to what is really going on, i just find it highly unlikely. Its like congratulations you have complete the series, here is a collection of riddles as to what really happened, good luck deciphering them.


The Matrix Trilogy sums up that as well, lol.

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Kitten Tactics wrote...

They've told us to hang on to our copies.  What better way to prevent the ending from leaking than by crafting a fake ending?


That would be fine unless they're expecting us to shell out more money for another, more substantial ending, and planned that all along.

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This eding really may be some kind of trap, it would explain why its so diferent from the leaked script.

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You guys... are some god'am geniuses.

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cannedcream wrote...


Okay, even IF BW doesn't do anything with this, I have decided that this is canon for me. Hell, if my game.


Same for me. If we don't get an ending we all want or can settle with, I would like for others to get their own closure. Even if this is all for nothing, its better than feeling awful about the ending to the series.

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Mhgasa wrote...

In my mind it makes absolutely no sense why they would make an ending that would require that much "connecting the dots". What exactly is the purpose of making an ending to a trilogy, that the vast majority of players wont understand? Why make an ending that is that implicit as to what is really going on, i just find it highly unlikely. Its like congratulations you have complete the series, here is a collection of riddles as to what really happened, good luck deciphering them.

Because of the leaked script?

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I hope this theory is right!

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Iron Ranger wrote...

Good write up, I think alot of us have woundered exactly how indoctrianted Shep might really be. Cant be too bad up to this point however as the Protien Decives keep working for him.

Disagree, I don't believe Shep is indoctrinated at all.

Vigil knew he wasn't, and Harbinger darn sure knew he wasn't, not to mention the Illusive Man.

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Kitten Tactics wrote...

Mhgasa wrote...

In my mind it makes absolutely no sense why they would make an ending that would require that much "connecting the dots". What exactly is the purpose of making an ending to a trilogy, that the vast majority of players wont understand? Why make an ending that is that implicit as to what is really going on, i just find it highly unlikely. Its like congratulations you have complete the series, here is a collection of riddles as to what really happened, good luck deciphering them.

Because they aren't done?  They've told us to hang on to our copies.  What better way to prevent the ending from leaking than by crafting a fake ending?


Are you saying that mass effect 3 isnt done or the franchise? I think mass effect 3 and thereby shepards story is very much done, and thats why it wouldnt make any sense, to me atleast, to create a "fake" ending. Cant really close a story arc and at the same time say "hey, if you want to know what really happened then buy our next game".

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These theories sounds awesome, I just hope they are true, but at the same time we may be trying to convince ourselves to find things that aren't there. Also I can see that these theories are all wrong, but a writer will come along and say " Oh ya totally, that was all planned out, we got you hahaha. (he leans over towards his fellow writer and says) "psst, take notes on all these theories they are gonna bail us out of this s***storm"

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kingbear951 wrote...

These theories sounds awesome, I just hope they are true, but at the same time we may be trying to convince ourselves to find things that aren't there. Also I can see that these theories are all wrong, but a writer will come along and say " Oh ya totally, that was all planned out, we got you hahaha. (he leans over towards his fellow writer and says) "psst, take notes on all these theories they are gonna bail us out of this s***storm"


Agree.

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meiwow2 wrote...

kyleh619 wrote...

Bioware indoctrinating its own consumers ;)

They did.
Not me though, I chose the path on the right I proudly say.
I was like, "control you? sure, I got you, give me a minute.. where's my gun :P"


Agreed, we're giving you a viable alternate ending BioWare, roll with it!