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[Shepard needs a Vacation]

But even if you were instantly indoctrinated why would they want to keep you alive? why not just kill you and be done with it or make you a saren type person??

[RussianOrc]

txgriff wrote...

AvianCat wrote...

Enarias wrote...

Nobody helped the boy when he tried to get into the shuttle when Reapers attack Earth. Why? Maybe they didn´t see him, maybe he wasn´t there. Anderson didn´t see the boy either. Shepard could be indocrinated and seeing things from beginning...

You know that makes sense as well, and putting this with those dream sequences where the child goes up in flames may be Shepard's subconcious trying to fight it off. And if this is all true the Bioware has been building up a giant mind screw of a finally.

This is what I believed because Anderson never acknowledged the boy and it seemed like no one payed attention to him when he got on the shuttle. If you also notice when Anderson tells you come on when you see the boy at the beginning you hear a growling noise after you turn your attention away from the boy, which if I remember correctly from the third book (I can't seem to remember the name of it now) when Greyson resisted the reapers they would make a growling noise once they realized they didn't have him under complete control.

 here start after 00:43.
he's right.
the sound starts exactly after anderson call shepard.

Modifié par RussianOrc, 11 mars 2012 - 12:13 .

[MPSai]

Man if the endings really were just the result of bad writing I hope they take this theory and run with it in an expansion pack. I'd love to destroy the reapers, be triumphant, and have the end focus to be on rebuilding, no idea what kind of gameplay that would create though.

[thePredator50]

Deep breaths people, there are still holes in this theory large enough for a whale to pass through.

Let's say the kid was a hallucination. Let's say that Shepard was indoctrinated. We can also safely assume that he couldn't have survived the destruction of the citadel, meaning that he never got up there. It's also weird how Anderson and TIM made it up there, AND they made it before him despite Anderson saying that he "followed him up there".

This would mean that Shepard was pretty much only dreaming up the whole thing on the Citadel. So the Reapers aren't really indoctrinating him, he's just dreaming. Which would also mean that when he woke up, the Reapers were still there, the Crucible failed and everything is going to hell. Am I missing something?

[Kitten Tactics]

thePredator50 wrote...

Deep breaths people, there are still holes in this theory large enough for a whale to pass through.

Let's say the kid was a hallucination. Let's say that Shepard was indoctrinated. We can also safely assume that he couldn't have survived the destruction of the citadel, meaning that he never got up there. It's also weird how Anderson and TIM made it up there, AND they made it before him despite Anderson saying that he "followed him up there".

This would mean that Shepard was pretty much only dreaming up the whole thing on the Citadel. So the Reapers aren't really indoctrinating him, he's just dreaming. Which would also mean that when he woke up, the Reapers were still there, the Crucible failed and everything is going to hell. Am I missing something?

Shepard is waking up in London.  Nobody ever actually activated the Crucible.  It still works.

Modifié par Kitten Tactics, 11 mars 2012 - 12:16 .

[kyleh619]

thePredator50 wrote...

Deep breaths people, there are still holes in this theory large enough for a whale to pass through.

Let's say the kid was a hallucination. Let's say that Shepard was indoctrinated. We can also safely assume that he couldn't have survived the destruction of the citadel, meaning that he never got up there. It's also weird how Anderson and TIM made it up there, AND they made it before him despite Anderson saying that he "followed him up there".

This would mean that Shepard was pretty much only dreaming up the whole thing on the Citadel. So the Reapers aren't really indoctrinating him, he's just dreaming. Which would also mean that when he woke up, the Reapers were still there, the Crucible failed and everything is going to hell. Am I missing something?

Which is why the other thought is that Shepard was hallucinating after being hit by Harbiner's lazer. Before entry to the Citadel.

[RussianOrc]

Animositisomina wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

This eding really may be some kind of trap, it would explain why its so diferent from the leaked script.

I never actually read the leaked script. How much different was it from what we saw in the final game?

shepard survives and is recued very much like the ending from ME1.

[ArmyKnifeX]

Kitten Tactics wrote...
]Shepard is waking up in London.  Nobody ever actually activated the Crucible.  It still works.

Like I said, my major problem with this premise is that it wasn't hinted at. If they go with it, awesome, great, that changes the ending from being ****. If not, well.. there should have been some kind of hint of your failure to choose the proper response so that there isn't all this hateful backlash.

[thePredator50]

kyleh619 wrote...

thePredator50 wrote...

Deep breaths people, there are still holes in this theory large enough for a whale to pass through.

Let's say the kid was a hallucination. Let's say that Shepard was indoctrinated. We can also safely assume that he couldn't have survived the destruction of the citadel, meaning that he never got up there. It's also weird how Anderson and TIM made it up there, AND they made it before him despite Anderson saying that he "followed him up there".

This would mean that Shepard was pretty much only dreaming up the whole thing on the Citadel. So the Reapers aren't really indoctrinating him, he's just dreaming. Which would also mean that when he woke up, the Reapers were still there, the Crucible failed and everything is going to hell. Am I missing something?

Which is why the other thought is that Shepard was hallucinating after being hit by Harbiner's lazer. Before entry to the Citadel.

Isn't that what I just described? Are you saying that he DID go up on the Citadel?

[kyleh619]

RussianOrc wrote...

txgriff wrote...

AvianCat wrote...

Enarias wrote...

Nobody helped the boy when he tried to get into the shuttle when Reapers attack Earth. Why? Maybe they didn´t see him, maybe he wasn´t there. Anderson didn´t see the boy either. Shepard could be indocrinated and seeing things from beginning...

You know that makes sense as well, and putting this with those dream sequences where the child goes up in flames may be Shepard's subconcious trying to fight it off. And if this is all true the Bioware has been building up a giant mind screw of a finally.

This is what I believed because Anderson never acknowledged the boy and it seemed like no one payed attention to him when he got on the shuttle. If you also notice when Anderson tells you come on when you see the boy at the beginning you hear a growling noise after you turn your attention away from the boy, which if I remember correctly from the third book (I can't seem to remember the name of it now) when Greyson resisted the reapers they would make a growling noise once they realized they didn't have him under complete control.

 here start after 00:43.
he's right.
the sound starts exactly after anderson call shepard.

Damn, your right, there is growling there. Now I really wished I read the books.

[RussianOrc]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...
]Shepard is waking up in London.  Nobody ever actually activated the Crucible.  It still works.

Like I said, my major problem with this premise is that it wasn't hinted at. If they go with it, awesome, great, that changes the ending from being ****. If not, well.. there should have been some kind of hint of your failure to choose the proper response so that there isn't all this hateful backlash.

there is, only when you choose to destroy the reapers shepard survives.

[Kitten Tactics]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...
]Shepard is waking up in London.  Nobody ever actually activated the Crucible.  It still works.

Like I said, my major problem with this premise is that it wasn't hinted at. If they go with it, awesome, great, that changes the ending from being ****. If not, well.. there should have been some kind of hint of your failure to choose the proper response so that there isn't all this hateful backlash.

By reacting to a false reality(ending), we are indoctrinated.  If they treat it as such, it is doubly amazing.

[IronSabbath88]

Here's something to ponder.

The Reapers clearly didn't want Shepard to destroy them. If Shepard DOES destroy them, you get the ending where he's alive, which indicates that he fought off the indoctrination and hallucination and is waking up from it.

Wishful thinking but it explains why it didn't happen for the other endings at all. Plus it's funny how Shepard dies when controlling the Reapers, which is what TIM wanted to do. It's like he's imagining that as what will happen if he does.

[lookingglassmind]

kyleh619 wrote...

This is what I believed because Anderson never acknowledged the boy and it seemed like no one payed attention to him when he got on the shuttle. If you also notice when Anderson tells you come on when you see the boy at the beginning you hear a growling noise after you turn your attention away from the boy, which if I remember correctly from the third book (I can't seem to remember the name of it now) when Greyson resisted the reapers they would make a growling noise once they realized they didn't have him under complete control.

 here start after 00:43.
he's right.
the sound starts exactly after anderson call shepard.

Heyyyyyy. Awesome.

Modifié par lookingglassmind, 11 mars 2012 - 12:25 .

[Kitten Tactics]

thePredator50 wrote...

Isn't that what I just described? Are you saying that he DID go up on the Citadel?

No, Shepard wakes up before going to the Citadel.  The Crucible hasn't failed because Shepard has to go up to the Citadel to activate it.  Shepard hasn't done that yet.  

[kyleh619]

thePredator50 wrote...

kyleh619 wrote...

thePredator50 wrote...

Deep breaths people, there are still holes in this theory large enough for a whale to pass through.

Let's say the kid was a hallucination. Let's say that Shepard was indoctrinated. We can also safely assume that he couldn't have survived the destruction of the citadel, meaning that he never got up there. It's also weird how Anderson and TIM made it up there, AND they made it before him despite Anderson saying that he "followed him up there".

This would mean that Shepard was pretty much only dreaming up the whole thing on the Citadel. So the Reapers aren't really indoctrinating him, he's just dreaming. Which would also mean that when he woke up, the Reapers were still there, the Crucible failed and everything is going to hell. Am I missing something?

Which is why the other thought is that Shepard was hallucinating after being hit by Harbiner's lazer. Before entry to the Citadel.

Isn't that what I just described? Are you saying that he DID go up on the Citadel?

sorry, read that wrong. He could be dreaming while on Earth as you described. There are holes in all of this. But I am thinking he never made it to the Citadel, and was being controlled while on Earth, to which he wakes up to have another go.

[Ultra Prism]

People got some interesting ideas which makes sense why red ending destroying the reapers will be ideal ... still I want some confirmation

[Kusy]

WarBaby2 wrote...

Ok then... here BioWare, see? We even give you a good build up for a better ending! Go for it!

THIS
At this point I wouldn't even be pissed off to pay more. I feel bad about it... but I'd deal with it.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 11 mars 2012 - 12:26 .

[MPSai]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...
]Shepard is waking up in London.  Nobody ever actually activated the Crucible.  It still works.

Like I said, my major problem with this premise is that it wasn't hinted at. If they go with it, awesome, great, that changes the ending from being ****. If not, well.. there should have been some kind of hint of your failure to choose the proper response so that there isn't all this hateful backlash.

But it is hinted at. Seeing Shepard take a breath at the end of the Destroy ending if you have enough resources. S/he appears to still be down on Earth after having gotten knocked back by Harbinger's laser.

[IronSabbath88]

Think about this too. A fall from the Citadel all the way down to Earth would kill anybody. Not even Shepard could survive a fall like that. He's been thinking of this the entire time.

[RussianOrc]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

WarBaby2 wrote...

Ok then... here BioWare, see? We even give you a good build up for a better ending! Go for it!

THIS
At this point I wouldn't even be pissed off to pay more. I feel bad about it... but I'd deal with it.

see, thats how indocrination works xD

[meiwow2]

The fact that you don't see shepard wake up in the pile of ruble when you chose to "control" option supports this indoctrination/halucination theory.

[kyleh619]

RussianOrc wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

WarBaby2 wrote...

Ok then... here BioWare, see? We even give you a good build up for a better ending! Go for it!

THIS
At this point I wouldn't even be pissed off to pay more. I feel bad about it... but I'd deal with it.

see, thats how indocrination works xD

Lol. Its all true.

[thePredator50]

Had there been a growling noise like at the vent when you choose the Renegade ending, it'd confirm indoctrination. I see this having potential, the "god" being in the form of the child, as well as the Renegade option being Anderson while Paragon being TIM are all very weird indeed.

Let's assume for a second that Shepard could have survived the crash back to earth. A large piece of the Citadel falls down with Shepard in it, and he miraculously survives, fine.

The theory would make more sense, albeit here would still be a problem. The child is actually an avatar of the Reapers, hell, perhaps even Harbinger. I'm sure the Reapers knew what was happening on the citadel, they must have detected people going through the beam. It would make sense for them to try and trick Shepard into doing what they want.

However, why not just leave him with Anderson to bleed to death? Were they scared he might activate the crucible via the terminal? Seems unlikely, seeing as he already passed out on the floor in front.

[Asuka Bianchini]

kyleh619 wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

txgriff wrote...

AvianCat wrote...

Enarias wrote...

Nobody helped the boy when he tried to get into the shuttle when Reapers attack Earth. Why? Maybe they didn´t see him, maybe he wasn´t there. Anderson didn´t see the boy either. Shepard could be indocrinated and seeing things from beginning...

You know that makes sense as well, and putting this with those dream sequences where the child goes up in flames may be Shepard's subconcious trying to fight it off. And if this is all true the Bioware has been building up a giant mind screw of a finally.

This is what I believed because Anderson never acknowledged the boy and it seemed like no one payed attention to him when he got on the shuttle. If you also notice when Anderson tells you come on when you see the boy at the beginning you hear a growling noise after you turn your attention away from the boy, which if I remember correctly from the third book (I can't seem to remember the name of it now) when Greyson resisted the reapers they would make a growling noise once they realized they didn't have him under complete control.

 here start after 00:43.
he's right.
the sound starts exactly after anderson call shepard.

Damn, your right, there is growling there. Now I really wished I read the books.

*amazed*
this gives me so much hope, thanks *watery eyes*