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[Wabajakka]

Interesting, but I like the indoc theory more simply because it leaves more possibilities open with the ending, where this keeps the current endings and still leaves us with the same amount of questions if you don't have max assets, but still a much better end if it was to be correct. Well done though.

[DolphinMasterBubs]

AxisEvolve wrote...

This is something that Bioware actually wrote once upon a time:


Klencory (planet) is famously claimed by the eccentric volus billionaire Kumun Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic life from synthetic "machine devils."


Your interpretation of this may be different. But I render it as there being a form of "Anti-Reapers". The Reaper's polar opposite. Maybe they never existed. Maybe they were defeated. Maybe they are still around, waiting. 


Lets assume for a minute that this isn't complete garbage. 


So what would the Anti-Reapers do? Just before a species is wiped out the "beings of light" save a handful of the intelligent species that are left. They "convert" them. Not the way Reapers do. They aren't being killed or liquified.. They are connected to the Anti-Reaper. (Picture how the Geth plug into the pods to get into the Consensus. It would be very similar to this.) Each organic life form powers it and controls a part of it. Every few cycles the Organics are turned on momentarily for testing. But they are mostly in stasis until their time of activation (The Crucible.)


My inspiration for this is the ending of 2001: A Space Odyssey

"Bowman is transported via the monolith to a star system far outside our galaxy. During this journey, he goes through a large interstellar switching station, and sees other species' spaceships going on other routes; he dubs it the 'Grand Central Station' of the universe. Bowman is given a wide variety of sights; from the wreckage of ancient civilizations to what appear to be life-forms, living on the surfaces of a binary star system.
He is brought to what appears to be a nice hotel suite, carefully constructed from monitored television transmissions, and designed to make him feel at ease. Bowman goes to sleep. As he sleeps, his mind and memories are drained from his body, and he is made into a new immortal entity, a Star Child, that can live and travel in space"


The Light Beings could also go into hibernation until near the end of a cycle (similar to what is suggested the Reapers may do)... Then they may wake up and continue working on their super weapon/upgrading their technology to match the advances the Reapers have made. 


When Shepard activates the Crucible it proves to the Light Beings that a cycle has come far enough to finally stop the Reapers. The Crucible isn't the weapon but it signals the weapon..


The Anti-Reaper is summoned. It would be pure white in appearance and radiate light. But it would not be in the shape of a conventional Reaper, it would have to appear much less threatening. 


In conjunction with the intelligent races of the current cycle, the Anti-Reaper would destroy or disable all of the Reapers in the Galaxy unless....


Depending on your assets. The Anti-Reaper would:


-Low assets: Fail completely. The superweapon is not enough to stop the Reapers.
-Medium assets: The Anti-Reaper self destructs upon destroying the Reapers. Every organic lifeform in the Galaxy is wiped out. But organic life will be free to evolve in peace.
-High assets: Reapers destroyed. The Anti-Reaper disappears - Shepard also vanishes.
-Max assets: 
Reapers destroyed. The Anti-Reaper disappears. Shepard lives a happy life with his crew.



This may sound ridiculous and I'm not saying this is what I'd want for the ending. I'm obviously not a writer and maybe my idea is worse than the current endings. If you think so I will not be offended because I probably wouldn't want this either. This is just me brainstorming what they might have done if they went with this idea. I'm sure it was considered, but it might have been too complex or "magic" to work.

That's a hell of a theory concerning the Catalyst you got there. As far as my perspective on the endings is concerned, this actually changes everything. Because of this, the endings to me make more sense now, even without the Extended Cut DLC that arrives in the Summer. Even if the theory isn't exactly what Bioware went for when making the endings, it does help explain a few things. Shame that as far as we know, there's no happy life for Shepard at the moment :/

[ZeroSum7]

Very interesting. I actually remember reading this planet description in ME1! and a better ending than 3 lmao.

Thank's OP, very cool write-up

[Apollo-XL5]

Its an interesting read, but I doubt that bioware could have had this as the plan from a small paragraph discription of a planet compared to the indoctrination theory which is intergrated fully into the foundations of mass effect.

just to much space magic, especially for a series based in science(fiction).

[rachellouise]

I kind of agree, but I have a different view.

I think the devil-machines are referring to the synthetics created by organics, who turn against them.

The reapers were created by the starchild, and his only solution (they are being used to protect the organics), until the crucible is added

Modifié par rachellouise, 07 avril 2012 - 01:56 .

[SkitSkit]

... Its a bit to Arthur C. Clark "Any technology shown to a primitive enough society would seem like magic"

What Arthur C. Clark forgot to relies is that the more learned of us will call bull**** on magic and demand an explanation of the mechanics. For example I had an interesting conversation the other day about how the aerodynamics of the bumblebee defy the laws of thermal dynamics. I called bull**** and looked for an answer, and found this little thing called a "Dynamic Stall".

Show me something impossible and I will find an explanation of how it works...

Anyway. SSSSSSSSSSPPPPPPPPAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEE MMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGIIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCCCCC, still, better than what Bioware came up with

[AxisEvolve]

Apollo-XL5 wrote...
just to much space magic, especially for a series based in science(fiction).

I disagree. I may have overcomplicated my point but my main idea is actually very simple:

An advanced race evaded the Reapers destruction. Over time they began matching the Reaper's technology to use against them.

There's really nothing any more space magic about it than that. The "beings of light" are exact copies of the Reapers with a few adjustments. 

That being said, I really should revise my original post. I definitely could have worded it better. Thanks for the opinions though. 

[blooregard]

OP is a boss. So whats the score now? Bioware 0 fans 6? YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE PROFESSIONALS HERE BIOWARE!

[AxisEvolve]

blooregard wrote...

OP is a boss. So whats the score now? Bioware 0 fans 6? YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE PROFESSIONALS HERE BIOWARE!

Haha. Thanks.. I'm no professional though. This is just a loose concept. 

I've updated my post so it makes more sense and I also expanded the idea a little bit. 

[Bloodhound66]

Good read! Still, it seems somewhat irrelevant to speculate anymore on these, "Light Beings." If they were a major plot point in the story, they should have actually included them in the story. Not just some codex scan you read once and thought, "Whoa, interesting!" and nothing further. If there was even a small dialogue part towards the end of the game where they make mwntion of these things, SC might not have seemed so random and out of place. But if they expect to forshadow the main antagonist through two small codex segments, and then have hundreds of hours of actual gameplay and dialogue completely unrelated, that's just HORRIBLE story telling.

[AxisEvolve]

Obviously they never ran with this idea. But I don't think it's too strange that they would have hinted at it in a small way like a codex entry if they did. The dark energy plot had even subtler hints in Mass Effect 2. These things would be hints leading up to the reveal, not the actual reveal.

[blooregard]

AxisEvolve wrote...

blooregard wrote...

OP is a boss. So whats the score now? Bioware 0 fans 6? YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE PROFESSIONALS HERE BIOWARE!

Haha. Thanks.. I'm no professional though. This is just a loose concept. 

I've updated my post so it makes more sense and I also expanded the idea a little bit. 

Thats the worst part you're just a fan who realizes that given the current situation can prove bioware can't write themselves out of a shreaded up paper bag


We've had the indoctrination theory

The "synthetic theory"

The 4th "**** off starchild"

The happy ending

This

Am I missing anything else or is it just 5-0 fans?

[Erixxxx]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Obviously they never ran with this idea. But I don't think it's too strange that they would have hinted at it in a small way like a codex entry if they did. The dark energy plot had even subtler hints in Mass Effect 2. These things would be hints leading up to the reveal, not the actual reveal.

Well, with the origin of the Catalyst being a mystery for now anything is possible about it's origin. The first thing I thought as well was "Huh, this reminds me of 2001". Your idea may not be entirely accurate, but I wouldn't write the whole thing off just yet.

In any case, brilliant read. 

[smegmalongbeach]

I believe these are the two entries but I got these off another thread

some one might want to find the old thread where the guy predicted the endings 2 years ago that thread is where I first heard about klencory and is a good read


Klencory is a rock and ice planet with an atmosphere composed of chlorine and argon. The frozen surface is mainly composed of potassium with deposits of iron.

Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric volus billionaire Kumun Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic life from synthetic "machine devils."
Shol has been excavating on Klencory's toxic surface for two decades, at great expense. No government has valued the world enough to evict his small army of mercenaries.

Mass Effect 3

Klencory is a rock and ice planet with an atmosphere composed of chlorine and argon. The frozen surface is mainly composed of potassium with deposits of iron.

Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric volus billionaire Kumun Shol. His once-ridiculed visions of "beings of light" protecting organic life from synthetic "machine devils" don't seem quite so far-fetched now. His private army of mercenaries are well-established on the planet, waiting for husks to come knocking in on their door. In all likelihood, they will be obliterated by the molten metal of a Reaper orbital bombardment, on its way to somewhere important.

Modifié par smegmalongbeach, 07 avril 2012 - 07:24 .

[thehomeworld]

I also think we could've used the ship of virtual people who were talked about on Cerberus daily to let them leap into the reaper confuse them take down their shields so we could blow them up it would then be up to the virtual person if they wanted to go Kamikaze and die that way or before the ship blows up download themselves back to the Normandy so they live. They did want new bodies they may've wanted to help if the deal was struck to for their service volunteers would be found for them to switch places with for x-amount of years and if they get Asari to be said host it would be like a 50/50 split the virtual person can hold onto the body for half the time and the Asari if they want to can get back into their body for the remaining time or give it up completely allowing the virtual person to keep it for the rest of its lifespan.

[balance5050]

But... the entire basis of your theory comes from the mind of a crazy Volus who never actually found anything at all. I'm pretty sure it would be referring to the Prothean VI's anyway.

[DiE231]

Dude, this being of light IS the god child, he says that reapers harvest organics to protect then from synthetics.

The reapers kill only advanced organics to prevent them from inventing synthetics(geth), left unchecked, the geth will eventually grow so large that they will consume the entire galaxy and end all life.


Sometimes you have to start a controlled fire to protect the entire forest from a burn, it's the same concept.



Not saying that the ending is good(its not), but this is the reasoning behind it, and that piece of codex form the first game supports it.

Modifié par DiE231, 07 avril 2012 - 07:35 .

[Bananables]

the Mass Effect Dissertation from the steam forums mentioned this. if you guys havent you should give it a read. its a wall of text but its brilliant.

[balance5050]

DiE231 wrote...

Dude, this being of light IS the god child, he says that reapers harvest organics to protect then from synthetics.

The reapers kill only advanced organics to prevent them from inventing synthetics(geth), left unchecked, the geth will eventually grow so large that they will consume the entire galaxy and end all life.


Sometimes you have to start a controlled fire to prevent the entire forest from a burn, it's the same concept.

Light"s" .. plural, there can only be one god child because there is only one catalyst. The planet codex she is referring to says it came from visions from an eccentric Volus, which talked about a temple of being "s".

Plus I.T. works a lot better because it had a crap load of foreshadowing present in all 3 games.

[Piousp]

Hey, here is a video analyzing exactly this theory:

[blooregard]

Piousp wrote...

Hey, here is a video analyzing exactly this theory:

This chick again? hold on let me get the vodka.

[AxisEvolve]

 

DiE231 wrote...

Dude, this being of light IS the god child, he says that reapers harvest organics to protect then from synthetics.

I can see why you'd think that. But I don't believe the two are related.

Bananables wrote...

the Mass Effect Dissertation from the steam forums mentioned this. if you guys havent you should give it a read. its a wall of text but its brilliant.

 
I'll look it up. I'm sure I'm not the first who tried to expand on this description.

Erixxxx wrote...
Well, with the origin of the Catalyst being a mystery for now anything is possible about it's origin. The first thing I thought as well was "Huh, this reminds me of 2001". Your idea may not be entirely accurate, but I wouldn't write the whole thing off just yet.

In any case, brilliant read. 

Thanks. Yeah, I didn't try to hide my inspiration like people try and do most of the time. It's kind of obvious. 

blooregard wrote...
Thats the worst part you're just a fan who realizes that given the current situation can prove bioware can't write themselves out of a shreaded up paper bag


We've had the indoctrination theory

The "synthetic theory"

The 4th "**** off starchild"

The happy ending

This

Am I missing anything else or is it just 5-0 fans?

 
Forum user, Arcian is also writing an entire reboot of Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3. Filling in every plothole in the process. (Including the ending)

https://docs.google....Na10/edit?pli=1 

Great read ^ It makes a lot more sense. 

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 07 avril 2012 - 07:44 .

[balance5050]

Piousp wrote...

Hey, here is a video analyzing exactly this theory:

The Geth prove that the only machine devils are the reapers themselves, this theory still ignores the backwards logic presented, I.T. explains it through the Shep wakes up scene.

Modifié par balance5050, 07 avril 2012 - 07:45 .

[DiE231]

balance5050 wrote...

DiE231 wrote...

Dude, this being of light IS the god child, he says that reapers harvest organics to protect then from synthetics.

The reapers kill only advanced organics to prevent them from inventing synthetics(geth), left unchecked, the geth will eventually grow so large that they will consume the entire galaxy and end all life.


Sometimes you have to start a controlled fire to prevent the entire forest from a burn, it's the same concept.

Light"s" .. plural, there can only be one god child because there is only one catalyst. The planet codex she is referring to says it came from visions from an eccentric Volus, which talked about a temple of being "s".

Plus I.T. works a lot better because it had a crap load of foreshadowing present in all 3 games.

Only one catalyst in the milky way, the universe has countless galaxies, if we assume that they also have life and that these beings of light are ''God'', then it's pretty safe to assume other galaxies also have their catalyst/beings of life, and their own solution to ''chaos''.


Not saying it's a good explanation, it's bs, IT does work better, but it's not a matter of what works, its what BW wants, and unfortunately, this is it.

Modifié par DiE231, 07 avril 2012 - 07:48 .

[Piousp]

I'm not saying that this theory is correct...
I just think its interesting enough and since they OP and the vid are about the same thing, i thought i would post it in this topic.