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[sth128]

I might have missed this but did Hackett order a general retreat after the Crucible was in place? Why was Normandy in the middle of Mass Relay transit at the end? Should it not be in the middle of the battle shooting at Reapers?

Did Joker just go "screw Shepard, screw the Reapers, and screw literally every species in the galaxy, I am flying off to have robot sex with EDI"?

Someone please explain to me.

[TexasToast712]

 I think when he heard that the advance team was killed trying to get the beam he gathered up Shepard's crew and ran thinking that Shepard was dead and their chances of winning non existent. He was just protecting the crew and his ship. It's what my Shep would have wanted if he died.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 10 mars 2012 - 10:50 .

[ShadyKat]

Bad writing.

[John Locke N7]

he saw the leaked ending to the game before it actualy happened for you in your game.

so he was all like, "I must go, my planet doesn't actualy need me"

Modifié par John Locke N7, 10 mars 2012 - 10:50 .

[Grumpy Midget]

Trying to escape(unsuccessfully) through the massive plot hole before it collapsed on the Normandy.

[NoUserNameHere]

It only makes vague sense as some kind of obnoxious symbolism.

[Der Estr Bune]

TexasToast712 wrote...

 I think when he heard that the advance team was killed trying to get the beam he gathered up Shepard's crew and ran thinking that Shepard was dead and their chances of winning non existent. He was just protecting the crew and his ship. It's what my Shep would have wanted if he died.

Which makes no sense, for a couple reasons. One, Hackett was clearly still in place when Shepard was on the Citadel (and known to be up there). Secondly, having Joker just turn tail and run (with the entire team, no less) completely undermines ALL of the characterization ever. "We're losing? Well, sorry, Shepard, but all that, 'stick with you until the end' business was just niceties. Later!"

[Russmandarin]

He saw the end coming and was like "I can't live in this system/galaxy anymore

[Fjordgnu]

TexasToast712 wrote...

 I think when he heard that the advance team was killed trying to get the beam he gathered up Shepard's crew and ran thinking that Shepard was dead and their chances of winning non existent. He was just protecting the crew and his ship. It's what my Shep would have wanted if he died.

There's a number of problems with that.

1) How did they have time?

2) They know they can't survive. At best, they can live out their lives in hiding. You really think they wouldn't rather be there until the end?

3) Most importantly: Hackett talks to Shepard half-way through the 15 minutes they would've had to get to the edge of the solar system. It seems like that might be the sort of thing you want to inform your fleet about. You think he neglected to mention that there's still hope?

[aimlessgun]

There are problems with this for a variety of reasons:

-It is out of character for your crew to suddenly give up and run. You're fighting for the survival of everything. Running simply means it takes a few more years for you to get killed by the reapers. The Normandy crew that I know, that I've befriended and come to trust, would never do something so disgusting and cowardly as to flee, even if they thought I was dead. The Normandy being mid-jump implies that everyone I thought I knew, everyone I thought was a good, loyal friend, are actually loathsome, vile creatures.

-The reapers were annihilating everything coming in through the air. That's why we ran in on the ground in the first place. If Joker can pilot the goddamn normandy in for an extraction, why the **** couldn't he pilot it in to drop you off right at the beam.

But hey, maybe robot sex is really that powerful of a motivation that it makes you do impossible feats of flying and betray your friend and commander and entire race.

[sth128]

So... Nobody recall any order of retreat or any other logical explanation for why Normandy was in transit then?

Maybe it is all just a hallucination...

Personally I don't hate the ending, I just can't make sense out of the Normandy thing. I actually quite like the idea of "galactic reset button".

Modifié par sth128, 10 mars 2012 - 10:57 .

[Evil_medved]

Russmandarin wrote...

He saw the end coming and was like "I can't live in this system/galaxy anymore"

Grumpy Midget wrote...

Trying to escape(unsuccessfully) through the massive plot hole before it collapsed on the Normandy.

John Locke N7 wrote...

he saw the leaked ending to the game before it actualy happened for you in your game.

so he was all like, "I must go, my planet doesn't actualy need me"

You guys are vvinners 

Modifié par Evil_medved, 10 mars 2012 - 10:57 .

[sth128]

Also, it seems that everyone is seeing Liara getting off Normandy with Joker and EDI regardless of who you take to the final mission...

So it's official then? Joker just said "time for a M. Night twist! I am actually Dr. Evil and I will now take my robot bride and sexy blue alien chick to live forever on an alien planet" and flew away on the Normandy.

DAMN YOUSE JOKER!!!

[Evil_medved]

sth128 wrote...

Also, it seems that everyone is seeing Liara getting off Normandy with Joker and EDI regardless of who you take to the final mission...

So it's official then? Joker just said "time for a M. Night twist! I am actually Dr. Evil and I will now take my robot bride and sexy blue alien chick to live forever on an alien planet" and flew away on the Normandy.

DAMN YOUSE JOKER!!!

Nope, my LI was Tali and she was one whe got out of normandy, with garrus who was also with me on final mission.

[I_Jedi]

Joker had a severe case of post-traumatic disorder.

His newly-caught disease caused him to attempt to destroy the Normandy. The Normandy crew will almost certainly shoot him to avoid further sabotage.


Or Shepard was simply indoctrinated and the Normandy escaping only happened in his head.

Modifié par I_Jedi, 10 mars 2012 - 11:26 .

[ZinvBeta]

After viewing the endings a couple of times (I'm a masochist like that), it dawned on me that they couldn't have been using the Mass Relay system. Granted, it could be a massive oversight on the writer's behalf, but the Mass Relays allow instantaneous travel between respective Relays, so they couldn't have been utilizing them. The Normandy looked to be in regular FTL travel, so they're either on some terraformed planet/moon in the Sol system, or the colored shockwave knocked them into the nearest system to Sol that, by some inconceivable measure of luck ended up being habitable. Or it's a Lost-style ending and the Normandy exploded and everyone is dead. Sometimes you just can't have your cake and eat it too.

Copy/pasted from earlier usage.

[Optimus J]

ZinvBeta wrote...

After viewing the endings a couple of times (I'm a masochist like that), it dawned on me that they couldn't have been using the Mass Relay system. Granted, it could be a massive oversight on the writer's behalf, but the Mass Relays allow instantaneous travel between respective Relays, so they couldn't have been utilizing them. The Normandy looked to be in regular FTL travel, so they're either on some terraformed planet/moon in the Sol system, or the colored shockwave knocked them into the nearest system to Sol that, by some inconceivable measure of luck ended up being habitable. Or it's a Lost-style ending and the Normandy exploded and everyone is dead. Sometimes you just can't have your cake and eat it too.

Copy/pasted from earlier usage.

Although it's mentioned in lots of places that the mass relay system allow INSTANTANEOUS travel, the series show a bunch of scenes since ME 1 in which Joker drive the Normandy while traveling through relays. I think there is even one scene in the first game where he brags about using the relay without computer navigational support. Hell, even in ME3 we see people in transit saying that they will arrive in X seconds.

Besides no one was prepared for that explosion, before the crucible fires towards the relay. Why the hell Joker had the people in London back to Normandy and in FTL Drive?

Final piece of Evidence that's transit in Normady is that first burst is not FTL, it's even STL, as an energy field expanding. The shot that hits the Charon Relay is the one that start the FTL bursts.

Modifié par Optimus J, 11 mars 2012 - 05:36 .