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What is the Star Child really saying? Deciphering the Ending of Mass Effect.


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Ok, this is an arduous task of finding meaning in this craziness. The Star Child's every word is essentially a paradox of our common logic. His whole MO seems to revolve around doing onto others before they do onto to themselves. This might make sense until you factor out the fact that the logical deduction for this to happen was so low that it only occurred once in the Qurians. And the product of this union was a synthetic race that isn't naturally hostile to ALL organic life.

I think I've scouted through every possible street of investigation in my quest to understand the true "idea" of the concept we'll call "The Star Child". I'm here to help in this.

Let's begin.
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1. (S)hepard is r(e)ndered essentially (p)assive when the (h)and of the Star Ch(i)ld is nea®. He/she is unable t(o) ac(t) to save t(h)e people he/she loves in their own way. Somehow, this reeks of a fated demise. This is often a tool of writer's to bring chaos into order and show that the hero is imperfect.  Shepard follows the entity's plans at that very moment, without hestiation, knowing or not. This shows that the Star Child is a plot-armored character that can only be halted or stopped if the script says so...

2. The ultimate decision is separate from all of ours. This is (j)ust to show the play(e)r that no matter what they do, they'll always be remembered in life for their ©rowning moment of fame or infamy rat(h)er (t)han for everything else. Redemption, sacrifice, love. None of it matters in the end once the button is pushed and Shepard becomes a dream. The Star Child is also suspiciously both malevolent, yet we can't even perform a renegade interrupt on the kid. In a way, it's like we accept the Star Child as a friend and conform to what he always intended of us. It's like we're being controlled...

3. The motives of the villian are the epitomy of contridiction. I have lost (s)leep trying to think on the sam(e) level of this mastermind. It's human logic applied to a certaint(y), surely Bioware knows it's i(m)possible to be s(o) specific. It's easy to say war is in the f(u)ture. Such a human ideal can't be lost when ou® very nature railroads ourselves into it. But the continual building of AI? Did the Roman Empire evaporate the same way as the Ottomans? No. But the same reasons it crumbled are there. All of it was a cycle that is still repeated. Sure, it's not always the same but this is fiction!

Therefore this point is rendered moot. The Star Child is trying to break the cycle and to do so he must repeat it for the next eons of history. Brilliant....

4. He's a kid. Kids are naturally creepy. Don't argue with that.

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Each of these observations can be used to break down his brief appearance. When you keep this in mind, especially when you focus on my 3rd point, you can slowly understand the Star Child's words. When twisting and pointing out the true meanings of his words, his reasoning, and the choices he gives...you can take the ending lines of dialogue. And perform the following just to help you see the symbolism.

STAY WITH ME!
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Remove the word "Solution" from this line. "The Reapers are mine. They are my solution."

Remove the phrase "The created always rebel" from the line. "The created always rebel against their creators."

With this we need several more things. The word "chaos" appears twice and "order" only once. When we count the uses of these two words we have the number 3. If we multiply the word "solution" by this number then we have three uses of the word "solution".

The Illusive Man uses the word 'solution' three times during his speechs with Shepard in ME2. Once on Freedom's Progress. Once on Horizon. And finally on the Collector's Base. Each of these uses is in a place where tragedy has struck.

When we take the phrase "The created always rebel" and multiply that once by the word "order". We have only one occurance in the major lore where this occurs. The Qurians with the Geth. The straw that the Star Child was desperately holding onto to make the argument for this "order" matter.

"Chaos" is the "solution" three times. Once on Freedom's Progress (Pre-Proteon), once on Horizon (the Proteons), and finally on the Collector's Base (Human). Chaos fails the final time, and arguably failed the previous two as well. Regardless this final failure was during the Human times, and Humans of both fiction and non-fiction have free-will. The free-will is embodied in the final choice.

Ultimately the final choice also represents the staying power of humans. We die, but we can be remembered.

And like fiction of today, we rarely see the hero after their glory days have left them behind.

BUT what is the Star Child really saying. Why does he try to maintain his eons-old logic until a lone organic comes wandering into his lair?

Well, take the phrases he spoke during that final confrontation. Remove the vowels, find synonyms for the words 'chaos', 'order', and 'solution, and finally compose each into a haiku. Scramble the letters alphabetically, then replace them with the Greek alphabet. Read the haiku backwards and remove the first word from each line. Before replacing those missing words with either Chaos or Order, translate the Greek into German, and finally into English. Add in the replacements and you have something like this... The meaning behind the Star Child's speech.

"Chaos ynaheklsjhf hyatgs,
Order ysghaka.
Chaos kjahg lihan"

I know...

the Star Child's speech doesn't make sense to me either.

BUT! If you've been paying attention to my post. You'll notice messages that I've included, some sort of "indoctrination". If you take these clues and secretly arrange them in order of appearance you'll have a list of villians from most likable to least. When you delve into the fan-sites for these games you learn a similarity between many of these villains, a certain tread of logic...

When you apply this to the Star Child, the truth is finally reveal. Inside his speech you will see the following phrase. It appears briefly, likely to as a sign of guilt from an insane writer. And if you pause the video above at 2:05 you'll be able to read the hidden message!

I'm not gonna put the final answer here. Just follow my clues. Come to the end of this fantasy like me.

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Edit: Truth....

"Blah, Blah, Blah, Bioware put me in this game because they like the logic of Final Fantasy villains, Blah!."

Modifié par Sgt. Scoodles The Shotgun Terror, 11 mars 2012 - 12:04 .


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Makes more sense than the real ending, honestly.

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This thread is a lot like Mass Effect 3, actually: I spent so much time with it, only for it to be really stupid by the time I was done.

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Der Estr Bune wrote...

This thread is a lot like Mass Effect 3, actually: I spent so much time with it, only for it to be really stupid by the time I was done.


Indeed... We are uncovering a mystery. Just like your feeling for ME3, my post is carrying the same effect. This must mean that the two are related. Therefore, this answer must be the true one!

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EPIC TROLL

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notalive wrote...

EPIC TROLL


sshhh, we're trying to uncover a conspiracy in here.

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You put way to much thought into something that had no thought put into it.

Star kids is the Architecht and you suddenly become Neo, choose door 1 or 2 Neo.

*middle finger*

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He says BS. That's pretty much it, no need to think about it.
I mean really? A Deux Exmachina god figure who somehow CONTROL the reaper!!!!???? Come on! This isn't Hollywood The Matrix (even that movie has better ending). Learning that he controls the Reaper is such a betray and an uppercut in my jaw. That alone derails the entire premise of Mass Effect universe. You do everything in your power to stop galactic anihilation only to see an omniponent God presenting you with 3 choices of color of how to blast a galaxy? What with all the effort you made?

The entire premise and build up was that stopping the Reaper was possible. They are some sort of galactic ancient race, not a god figure who can't solve stupid problem Synthetic will kill all organic and causes Chaos blablayaadableh.  My Shepard just solved that 5 hours ago, and last I checked he's a human. 

Might as well end the game in the first 20 hours and I wouldn't feel a damn different. 

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I feel the need to tell many others about how disappointed I was with this thread.

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Militarized wrote...

You put way to much thought into something that had no thought put into it.

Star kids is the Architecht and you suddenly become Neo, choose door 1 or 2 Neo.

*middle finger*


Ssshhhh, the meaning is there. the signs, the clues, even my own secrets point towards another game series.

A series where this train of thought prevails in the villains.

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ichobi wrote...

He says BS. That's pretty much it, no need to think about it.
I mean really? A Deux Exmachina god figure who somehow CONTROL the reaper!!!!???? Come on! This isn't Hollywood The Matrix (even that movie has better ending). Learning that he controls the Reaper is such a betray and an uppercut in my jaw. That alone derails the entire premise of Mass Effect universe. You do everything in your power to stop galactic anihilation only to see an omniponent God presenting you with 3 choices of color of how to blast a galaxy? lol What a trainwreck. 


Ssshhh, logic isn't needed right now. Understanding is.

Bioware got this kind of villian from somewhere....but where?

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"Dear, I love you so much I could kiss you right now!"

If you take D from Dear, I from I and e from love, you get DIE.

COINCIDENCE I THINK NOT

Sgt. Scoodles The Shotgun Terror wrote...

ichobi wrote...

He says BS. That's pretty much it, no need to think about it. 
I mean really? A Deux Exmachina god figure who somehow CONTROL the reaper!!!!???? Come on! This isn't Hollywood The Matrix (even that movie has better ending). Learning that he controls the Reaper is such a betray and an uppercut in my jaw. That alone derails the entire premise of Mass Effect universe. You do everything in your power to stop galactic anihilation only to see an omniponent God presenting you with 3 choices of color of how to blast a galaxy? lol What a trainwreck. 


Ssshhh, logic isn't needed right now. Understanding is.

Bioware got this kind of villian from somewhere....but where?

 

The reapers are synthetic, so their actions are obviously driven by logic. They don't just murder everyone randomly, so they do it with a reason, every 50 000 years. Why? Because at one point or another, intelligent beings cause destruction. What type of destruction would be so great that they would need to destroy all intelligent life other than the very young 
and undeveloped  species? One that would destroy ALL life. -> Synthetics. They're not called "Old Machines" for nothing. They're wiser than their geth counterparts. Where a young synthetic species would erase all organics as to protect themselves, an older one wouldn't, cause they see it as something important to the universe. 

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Your answer;
AE

reverse that?
Cool?

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Sgt. Scoodles The Shotgun Terror wrote...

Der Estr Bune wrote...

This thread is a lot like Mass Effect 3, actually: I spent so much time with it, only for it to be really stupid by the time I was done.


Indeed... We are uncovering a mystery. Just like your feeling for ME3, my post is carrying the same effect. This must mean that the two are related. Therefore, this answer must be the true one!


I didn't read a word and I can already tell that your explanation is better than the game's ending.

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Kenthen wrote...

I feel the need to tell many others about how disappointed I was with this thread.


Disappointment! Eureka! It's the same feeling the ending provoked. Thus my thread is on the same path...

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Berserkuh wrote...

"Dear, I love you so much I could kiss you right now!"

If you take D from Dear, I from I and e from love, you get DIE.

COINCIDENCE I THINK NOT


Hmmm indeed. If we take "Die" and count how many times Harbinger told us that during ME2 we will have 10. That's the same amount as the number of members in an organization separate from this game's universe.

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ichobi wrote...

Your answer;
AE

reverse that?
Cool?


Of COURSE! EA appears THREE times on the ME3 box. That is the three uses of chaos as the final solution!

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Berserkuh wrote...

"Dear, I love you so much I could kiss you right now!"

If you take D from Dear, I from I and e from love, you get DIE.

COINCIDENCE I THINK NOT

Sgt. Scoodles The Shotgun Terror wrote...

ichobi wrote...

He says BS. That's pretty much it, no need to think about it. 
I mean really? A Deux Exmachina god figure who somehow CONTROL the reaper!!!!???? Come on! This isn't Hollywood The Matrix (even that movie has better ending). Learning that he controls the Reaper is such a betray and an uppercut in my jaw. That alone derails the entire premise of Mass Effect universe. You do everything in your power to stop galactic anihilation only to see an omniponent God presenting you with 3 choices of color of how to blast a galaxy? lol What a trainwreck. 


Ssshhh, logic isn't needed right now. Understanding is.

Bioware got this kind of villian from somewhere....but where?

 

The reapers are synthetic, so their actions are obviously driven by logic. They don't just murder everyone randomly, so they do it with a reason, every 50 000 years. Why? Because at one point or another, intelligent beings cause destruction. What type of destruction would be so great that they would need to destroy all intelligent life other than the very young 
and undeveloped  species? One that would destroy ALL life. -> Synthetics. They're not called "Old Machines" for nothing. They're wiser than their geth counterparts. Where a young synthetic species would erase all organics as to protect themselves, an older one wouldn't, cause they see it as something important to the universe. 



Sssshhhh...

The Reapers are logically unsound. Just like villians from certain game series....

Japan is the key I believe.

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Damnit, If I paused the video where he said too, did I just Rickroll MYSELF?!?

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I liked Jecht better than Sephiroth

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Sajuro wrote...

I liked Jecht better than Sephiroth


Ain't you the smartest guy here.

Jecht does look cooler though, and has a better, more insane reason for his ****.

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We have found the enemy and it is us. I still feel troll'd somehow.

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Azreal Inc wrote...

Damnit, If I paused the video where he said too, did I just Rickroll MYSELF?!?


Nope. If you read first post the Truth will be there.

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All I see is the little bastard staring at femshep while all the hopes and dreams of the galaxy are raging in combat in the background. Screw this, I'm gonna go get tacos.

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Azreal Inc wrote...

All I see is the little bastard staring at femshep while all the hopes and dreams of the galaxy are raging in combat in the background. Screw this, I'm gonna go get tacos.


^ the first post.

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