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[AlphaJarmel]

[The Angry One]

Let's see the highlights of Joker's actions.

Faced down Sovereign and shoved a cannon down it's throat.
Refused to abandon the SR-1 until he was dragged out.
Single handedly saved the Normandy from the Collector boarding despite his condition.
Refused to abandon Shepard in the disintegrating Collector Base and again despite his condition stepped outside to support Shepard.

Now he appears to have.. ran away during the most crucial battle of all time.
Anything see a tiny inconsistency here?

[dkear1]

The Angry One wrote...

Let's see the highlights of Joker's actions.

Faced down Sovereign and shoved a cannon down it's throat.
Refused to abandon the SR-1 until he was dragged out.
Single handedly saved the Normandy from the Collector boarding despite his condition.
Refused to abandon Shepard in the disintegrating Collector Base and again despite his condition stepped outside to support Shepard.

Now he appears to have.. ran away during the most crucial battle of all time.
Anything see a tiny inconsistency here?

Nope.  Not one little bit.  This totally fits with BS ending that they wrote.  I mean, if you are going to tank the series then go the full monty!!!!! 

Did george lucas have anything to do with the script????

Modifié par dkear1, 11 mars 2012 - 12:11 .

[Karrie788]

The Angry One wrote...

Let's see the highlights of Joker's actions.

Faced down Sovereign and shoved a cannon down it's throat.
Refused to abandon the SR-1 until he was dragged out.
Single handedly saved the Normandy from the Collector boarding despite his condition.
Refused to abandon Shepard in the disintegrating Collector Base and again despite his condition stepped outside to support Shepard.

Now he appears to have.. ran away during the most crucial battle of all time.
Anything see a tiny inconsistency here?

He's doing it out of looooove.

Yeah, right. As if the rest of the crew would let him. As if Shep's LI would let him.

[The Angry One]

Karrie788 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Let's see the highlights of Joker's actions.

Faced down Sovereign and shoved a cannon down it's throat.
Refused to abandon the SR-1 until he was dragged out.
Single handedly saved the Normandy from the Collector boarding despite his condition.
Refused to abandon Shepard in the disintegrating Collector Base and again despite his condition stepped outside to support Shepard.

Now he appears to have.. ran away during the most crucial battle of all time.
Anything see a tiny inconsistency here?

He's doing it out of looooove.

Yeah, right. As if the rest of the crew would let him. As if Shep's LI would let him.

Unless.... they're all indoctrinated.

BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN [Reaper horn]

[Karrie788]

The Angry One wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Let's see the highlights of Joker's actions.

Faced down Sovereign and shoved a cannon down it's throat.
Refused to abandon the SR-1 until he was dragged out.
Single handedly saved the Normandy from the Collector boarding despite his condition.
Refused to abandon Shepard in the disintegrating Collector Base and again despite his condition stepped outside to support Shepard.

Now he appears to have.. ran away during the most crucial battle of all time.
Anything see a tiny inconsistency here?

He's doing it out of looooove.

Yeah, right. As if the rest of the crew would let him. As if Shep's LI would let him.

Unless.... they're all indoctrinated.

BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN [Reaper horn]

The Reaper Horn makes everything so much more dramatic.

[The Angry One]

Sometimes I spam scan just to hear it.

Modifié par The Angry One, 11 mars 2012 - 12:21 .

[Ultra Prism]

Joker would search for Shepard and gave his life to save him, but with that cutscene, it show out of context characterization ... I mean wtf, I was more pissed and upset that bioware screwed us with this kind of ending

[The Angry One]

The real Joker would smash the Normandy into the side of the Citadel if it meant giving Shepard an inch of a chance. He has consistently been Shep's wingman for 3 games, this ending feels like a complete betrayal.

[galaxy366]

Varus Torvyn wrote...

Seemed to me Joker was trying to outrun that wave from the Crucible.

I'm thinking the same.

Just as the blue/red explosion got emited from the Citadel, Joker left with the crew to the Sol Relay to escape it. But the explosion was faster then them.


Still strange how the ship got teleported ...

[DaddyFoxDerek]

The Angry One wrote...

Let's see the highlights of Joker's actions.

Faced down Sovereign and shoved a cannon down it's throat.
Refused to abandon the SR-1 until he was dragged out.
Single handedly saved the Normandy from the Collector boarding despite his condition.
Refused to abandon Shepard in the disintegrating Collector Base and again despite his condition stepped outside to support Shepard.

Now he appears to have.. ran away during the most crucial battle of all time.
Anything see a tiny inconsistency here?

Nope.....Joker running away seems perfectly in-character and logical to me! Perfectly..........logical....... 

[Spaceguy5]

The best explanation I can give:

This whole time, Joker has been a secret Soviet Cerberus sleeper agent tasked with killing JFK under control of the illusive man. When the illusive man died, some numbers a signal activated telling Joker to quickly return to the Kremlin Cerberus' secret backup base to await new orders from the Premier Cerberus' second in command. However while in transit through the mass relay, space magic started to destroy it and every other mass relay, with the Normandy getting caught in the blast (but luckily this happened just as the Normandy was about to pass Endor a jungle planet).

galaxy366 wrote...

Varus Torvyn wrote...

Seemed to me Joker was trying to outrun that wave from the Crucible.

I'm thinking the same.

Just
as the blue/red explosion got emited from the Citadel, Joker left with
the crew to the Sol Relay to escape it. But the explosion was faster
then them.


Still strange how the ship got teleported ...

It seemed obvious to me that they were in transit through the Sol relay already. There's no jungle planets in the Sol system. The question is "Why the heck would he go through the relay?! Where was he going to?"

Modifié par Spaceguy5, 11 mars 2012 - 12:58 .

[overburning]

Yea, this is the part that bugs me the most, Joker won't fly away, and no one on the Normandy would.

[malkuth74]

And for me its the only real thing that bothers me other then, all the ending are the same.

WTF Is he doing.. And how the hell did the people that just rushed the Transport light with me magically end up going with him... When what 10 reapers were attacking LONDON?  REALLY?

[gbemery]

It also doesn't make sense as to how they wind up on another uninhabited garden world that close to Earth. Even if the explosion flung them farther out it would have had to flung them massively far away to hit a garden world (rare planets in the game so much so the council regulates them) that was that close to Earth and uninhabited. They were traveling at conventional FTL speeds the blast couldn't have propelled them out much farther then another relay system and I doubt that far. I do accept the possibility they hit a system with no relay prior so it was ignored for colonization but still that is far flung in itself.

[malkuth74]

Varus Torvyn wrote...

Seemed to me Joker was trying to outrun that wave from the Crucible.

Ah no.... The Normandy can't fly across the universe that fast without the Mass Effect relays..  Fathest he might of gone in the short time he has is maybe outside the sol system.....

[deathscythe517]

Magic.

[kramerfan86]

If they wanted the crash in the jungle thing why didnt they go down over earth? There is no conceivable reason joker and the entire squad (who magic teleport to the ship including the squad members who went with you to get to the citadel) would run away and abandon you during the battle.

[jbajcar]

Tapkomet wrote...

Joker saw Space Magic coming and thought "No, I'm not going to be part of that mysterious space mystery stuff, and neither are my friends", so he took your squadmates and tried to escape. Didn't happen,though.

lol!! ahhh this made me laugh and made my day. Thank you!

[Sorayai]

yea this drove me crazy too. wtf Joker and randomly teleporting squadmates...?

[devSin]

Frankly, I would be much happier if Harbinger just got back up and destroyed the Normandy and personally beamed every single person you ever met in the series. One last hurrah from the Reapers.

An ending has to be impossibly terrible that I would rather see everyone dead just so that it made at least a modicum of sense. That's how bad the ME3 ending is.

Modifié par devSin, 11 mars 2012 - 01:48 .

[UltmtBiz]

Yeah and according to the Mass Relay entry in the codex (in at least one of the 3 games), travel between relays is instantaneous. Soooo I don't think Joker can maneuver or try to push the engines during a jump.

And the squadmates.

Good call - space magic!

[Kalevala87]

Why was Joker fleeing from battle? We don't know. Maybe he wasn't actually in transit but was just trying to outrun the Crucible blast. Or maybe after Shepard passed out on the Citadel, Hackett figured he was dead and the Crucible was ****ed, and ordered all fleets to retreat, maybe to regroup. After all, that whole battle was a suicide mission predicated on the assumption that the Crucible would friggin' do something. Maybe Hackett even thought that if the Reapers were to chase the retreating fleets, the Alliance forces still stranded on Earth might have a chance to evacuate. Hell of a gutsy move, and perfectly in character. The Normandy, being the fastest ship, was the first to make it to the relay and hence the cutscene.

Or maybe the mysterious forces controlling the Reapers somehow decided that Shepard's friends were a good bunch, and deserved to be spared. So, knowing that the relays would be destroyed, they teleported them in range of a habitable planet where they could recover and prosper. Remember that the loss of the relays is not ultimate. After all, the Protheans on Ilos had managed to replicate the technology and build the Conduit, so the relays can be rebuilt. Sure, certain species, if stranded in the Sol system, would have a hard time, but they wouldn't necessarily be doomed. Remember that the Quarian fleet had massive liveships on which they grew food suitable for their physiology (which I seem to remember was akin to the Turian one). Clearly survival was possible.

Why were your squad mates on the Normandy as well? Well, I'd say it's perfectly in character for Joker to pick up his friends after he thought they had been killed by the Reaper beam. Considering the time between Shepard and Anderson being beamed up to the Citadel and the Crucible firing, I'd say Joker had more than enough time to receive a distress call and pick them up, even before Hackett ordered the retreat. Throughout the series we have seen extractions done in far less time than that, so there's nothing weird about it.

Then again, maybe everything that happened on the Citadel and afterwards was all a dream, a result of Reaper indoctrination, as some people are speculating. Maybe this is all BioWare having fun watching fans go insane, while they prepare something big to surprise us. In which case, I think it's one hell of a clever move.

What I see here is a lot of unanswered questions, but nothing outright nonsensical. There's a difference. Unanswered questions might find answers in future DLCs. Now, if you object to the fact that we should get closure in the main game, and not in DLCs, that's a legitimate position. Not one I necessarily agree with, as I would be more than happy to get more Mass Effect in the future, but you're perfectly within your rights to hold that opinion. However don't talk about flawed storytelling simply because you can't be arsed to really think things through and wait to know more. 

Modifié par Kalevala87, 13 mars 2012 - 12:02 .

[JigPig]

He heard about the endings before hand and wanted to get the hell out of dodge.

[AntariuzX]

Remember arrival from ME2? The blast destroyed the whole system. Joker was trying to outrun the blast (meaning blast destroyed solar system also).