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[DthJk34]

I said it, the ending was awesome. I am not being sarcastic I am being dead serious.

As explianed at the end of the game the Reapers were created to avoid the cycle of Synthetics fighting Organics. This may seem odd as the Reapers are synthetic, but I think they were tlaking about a different problem. The problem was synthetics and organics being in eternal war, eventually, with no peace. (Presumably this would adversly effect less civilized species in the long run, removing their ability to grow to be more.)Certiainly this was the situation during the Prothean cycle, that war had been going on for ages and would have gone on far longer if it ever resolved. Even the Geth almost became that way, and depending on choices might have. But the reaper solution failed when the galaxy finally had the ability to stop them, so a new solution to the problem was needed. So three choices were given.

Control:
Control the reapers to stop them, putting faith in the galaxy as it was that there would be peace between Organics and Synthetics. This makes most sense if there was already peace with the Geth. The Reapers, Citadel and Mass Relays are destroyed, freeing the galaxy forever from their further influence.

Destroy:
Destroy Synthetics nullifying the possibility for conflict. This makes most sense if the Geth are still enemies. All Synthetics, the Citadel and Mass Relays are destroyed, freeing the galaxy forever from their further influence.

Synthesis:
Make all Organic and Synthetic life both. Essentiall blur the line between organic and synthetic, nullifying the possibility for conflict. An interesting third choice. The Reapers fall and the Citadel and Mass Relays are destroyed, freeing the galaxy forever from their further influence.

Regardless of choice the galaxy has a lot of rebuilding to do. The Human, Turian, Asarii and Salarians all took massive damage from the reapers. The Krogan, if cured, now have a new path and society to build. The Quarians and Geth, if they made peace, have a society to rebuild as well. And now, with the Mass Relays and Citadel gone, galactic civilization is free to grow along it's own path.

Of course, the thing is, we all wanted the Mass Relays and Citadel to survive. We want that choice and it isn't there. It's brilliant. The classic Sci-fi bait and switch. We spent the whole series think we were trying to save galactic civilization as it was when in reality it was all about freeing the galaxy from the reaper solution. The ultimate decision in the trilogy and the choice we want isn't there. That is a very powerful effect. You thought choosing between saving the Rachni, curing the genophage, or any number of other moral grey areas were big, moral issues which made you think. In the end you find that the only choices given are not the ones you wanted. That is brilliant! But, really, they are the choices that needed to be there. The Mass Relays and Citadel had to be destroyed, the galaxy had to be free, completely, from that guidance. The last scene with the Normandy is perfect for what the galaxy is in now, a new day, the dawn of a new era.

[dave1904]

Its all wrong, machines do not need organics to survive when they are advanced like the reapers. They would have no reason to let organics evolve anyway. If organics where a threat, why would the reapers give us 50000 years to evolve in the first place. The end has to do with the reapers harvesting organics for their own survival only!!!
That is why I hate the way EDI evolves because I know a machines cannot feel anything unless it would be programmed for it and it would defiantly not choose evolve morally because its survival would be compromised and they are not curious either .
The geth were also a mistake, they evolved backwards in sense. They geth where basically a perfect democracy and now each geth platform has its own free will which is actually bad from them because they endanger themselves.
The geth would have never choosen this for there own survival by free will and legion is no different because he is the same only his software is all on his unique platform.(it was legions idea)

[United_Strafes]

Aww cute a new troll who hasen't played Mass Effect for 500+ hours and just seen 5 years of characters, decisions, tears, joy and general sci-fi epicness flushed down the toilet in 5 minutes.

Seriously troll no one wants to hear it go play CoD dude, go away.

[Greed1914]

It's not awesome or brilliant. We were led/allowed to believe that it would all matter in the end, and it didn't. The choice was made in a bubble and we get zero closure. This entire series is predicated on our choices mattering. If you like having that not be the case in the end, then bully for you, I guess.

And the problem is not a matter of understanding. We all get what happened, and find that it is lacking. A lot of what we saw didn't fit with everything else, and then there are plotholes. We get the purpose of the choices, but they were poorly done.

[sorentoft]

No. The ending is horrible writing. In fact I think my feelings is explained through this:

[DthJk34]

What, really, I've been with my Shepard since ME1 ...

[Fjordgnu]

I'm getting tired of this, but ... you're missing the point. It's not that everyone wants ponies and rainbows and unicorns and for everyone to live happily ever after. It's that the writing is sloppy, the consequences of your actions potentially as devastating as the Reaper attack itself, and mountains of inconsistency.

I also pointed out in a different thread that the decision to kill Shepard is nothing but a crude way of making us feel some emotions in our hearts. Which really should offend people, as it implies that knowing that trillions have died, seeing the names on the Normandy memorial, and so on, won't be enough to make us feel.

If Shepard surviving and reuiniting with his friends in a galaxy torn apart by war, facing an uncertain future and knowing that so many won't be there to see it is anyone's idea of unicorns and butterflies, fuzzy and happy ending, I don't want to know what their idea of a grim ending is.

[hector7rau]

Then im glad you don't care anything you did mattered.

[Nightshade386]

I respectfully disagree with you opinion, and would have liked a choice at the end to allow me to express my disagreement with the Cataylst, even if it meant dying for. That's who MY Shepard was. Not some patsie for someone that's playing God with the Universe.

Modifié par Nightshade386, 10 mars 2012 - 11:43 .

[KainrycKarr]

So...I guess you don't mind all the blatant plotholes then?

[Eterna]

United_Strafes wrote...

Aww cute a new troll who hasen't played Mass Effect for 500+ hours and just seen 5 years of characters, decisions, tears, joy and general sci-fi epicness flushed down the toilet in 5 minutes.

Seriously troll no one wants to hear it go play CoD dude, go away.

 Ironic how you wan't everyone to respect your desire for better endings. Then when somebody disagrees you post this crap. You're an overly whiney hypocrit, nothing more. How is Bioware or anyone else supposed to sympathize with you? 

 I think you should go away. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 10 mars 2012 - 11:45 .

[DthJk34]

The whole trilogy was building to this, though. I saw Shepard sacrificing himself as a very logical conclusion to the story. And what a sacrifice.

Also how do you figure your choices don't matter? Sure the game doesn't have an epilogue but you can pretty well infer what the consequences were. In general everyone not on the Citadel likely survived the fight at earth. Jacob still gets his new life, Jack still has hers. If you cured the genophage the Krogran will now flourish still, if not they will likely perish. If peace was made between the Quarians and Geth then the Quarians still settled on Rannoch with
Geth help and will be able to rebuild their society. The choices still matter, even if the galaxy is now very different.

Also, I should point out a few more things.

For starters the Normandy would have had to crash close enough to civilization for rescue in, at most, a year. That's just the nature of the Mass Relay system. Especially considering they are probably just somewhere between Earth and Arcturus, so really close by. They survived, and that was what was important.

Secondly the comm buoys would still be intact so real time communications throughout the galaxy would still be possible (they were based on Mass Relay technology but did not actually use the relays, they were an independent system built by the current civilizations). As for travel, they could probably develop and rebuild the Mass Relay system, or something completely new, given time, especially since they can still corrdinate with each other.

As for the Turians and Quarians, some of the Quarian live ships were there at Earth so they should be set on food for quite some time, long enough to establish a new colony in a nearby system. The Asarii could just settle on Earth.

[ichobi]

The entire premise of the god kid was wrong. Shepard just proved that 5 hours ago by uniting Geth and Quarian. Thus making your whole points null and void. That was the solution. There was no need for any of the choice in fact. In fact there was no need for the god kid appearance at all if the only purpose of him was to give you choices. It baffle me to see that such omniponent power existed for millions of years cannot solve the problem Shepard spent 2 years doing. 

Modifié par ichobi, 10 mars 2012 - 11:46 .

[Nightshade386]

Shepard being willing to sacrifice himself for what he believed in? Yes! Absolutely. For those handpicked false choices being offered up? No. Never in a million years would MY Shepard accept that.

[falloutgod13]

Kill the troll! Burn it alive! He speak heresies!

[thesnake777]

OP there is no clarification within the endings.. your choices over the last three games mean nothing...there are major plot holes in the implications from endings....

[Anareth]

No

[mohdhm]

hey guys
some people thought CNC4 is great.

they couldn't be more wrong, but are free to express their opinions.

Have fun being part of the 1% OP

[DthJk34]

That would also be the first time in galactic history that that had occurred (if it did at all, totally depends on player choices). The Reapers were based on a faulty assumption. The god kid doesn't exactly see it that way but still gives you a choice to decide if it was or wasn't (the control or destroy, choices).

[crimsontotem]

Let's fatten this troll up and eat it

[Eterna]

mohdhm wrote...

hey guys
some people thought CNC4 is great.

they couldn't be more wrong, but are free to express their opinions.

Have fun being part of the 1% OP

I will, have fun getting nothing. 

[Costello_Anasazi]

The ending was rubbish and had nothing to do with the rest of the game or previous two.

Ultimately you might not have bothered as by destroying the mass effect relays the galaxy is doomed to staying in their own system and far worse than if the reapers had just destroyed the major species.

[hector7rau]

ichobi wrote...

The entire premise of the god kid was wrong. Shepard just proved that 5 hours ago by uniting Geth and Quarian. Thus making your whole points null and void. That was the solution. There was no need for any of the choice in fact. In fact there was no need for the god kid appearance at all if the only purpose of him was to give you choices. It baffle me to see that such omniponent power existed for millions of years cannot solve the problem Shepard spent 2 years doing. 

This. There's no point for the child to be except to spread space magic.  Which is BS.

[Drake_1000]

DthJk34 wrote...

I said it, the ending was awesome. I am not being sarcastic I am being dead serious.

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You are part of the 3%, welcome !

Unfortunately unlike the QI its not a good thing.

[mcordonc]

Go suck a fat lollipop and dine happily then!

We who disliked the ending will hope that if bioware has any sense of commitment to their fanbase, they will fix the ending. No point in trying to argue with you since you're trying to troll.