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[MouseNo4]

What would YOU do regarding the endings, future DLC, and about the community response to the game and its endings.

Remember, as Bioware, you are a BUSINESS and as such your NUMBER 1 priority is to make money. If in the process of making said money, you make your customers happy then that is just a bonus and not a goal. 

So, in short  you need to address
- The current endings
- Future DLC (whether it will have anything to do with the endings or not)
- The community that are unhappy with the endings

What would you do and how would YOU - as Bioware remember - address and resolve the above problems?

[Captain_Obvious]

Whatever would make the most money. I think that's a given. They will wait and see how sales and trade-ins go before they do anything. I'm not optimistic for anything to come of all of the disappointment the community has expressed.

[KainrycKarr]

A DLC that introduces a few new variables to determine what happens to the Normandy and her crew, a bunch of decisions-based Text epilogues detailing the aftermath of the war and the state of the galaxy and it's inhabitants, and .bik movies for the other LI's so people who didn't romance the VS aren't stuck with staring at Liara's mug everytime.

[Esquin]

1. I would not have let the game ship with that ending. I wouldn't have even let the design team produce that ending. (Yes it's one ending. Don't try to tell me it's not, you're wrong.). But I don't know. Probably patch it to delete those endings and replace them. Everything from the glowing elevator would be replaced. I'd patch it to anyone on the alliance network, send out emails and things to anyone who was registered with the game. Basically just make sure that as many people as possible knew we'd fixed this.

2. Taking back omega I guess? Really not sure. It's hard to plan DLC when bioware just destroyed the entire galaxy that i'd spent 3 games building.

3. My community wouldn't be unhappy. I'd never let that thing get out.

[MouseNo4]

You have to realise it costs money to ''make new endings and release it'' so it isnt as simple as that.

If you were Bioware, you need to gain something for the work put into creating new endings. You cant just release it free as that is just burning money. Besides, EA would never allow free content, as it is counter-productive to the business of making money.

[LordAsael]

I wouldn't have allowed the game to ship with an ending that feels as though it has been pulled from another universe.

I would suspect that given the current situation BioWare has really got to be considering fixing the current ending to Mass Effect 3. Leaving things as they are really makes it doubtful that any other DLC (Omega included) will fare terribly well. The response for Dragon Age II seemed mixed and that seems to have sucked some wind from the sails. This storm will tear the sails if they can't find port in a hurry.

[MattFini]

There is no way in hell I'll pay money for any Omega mission, any other kind of mission/character unless there's a better ending made available first.

[Apocsapel91]

I'd release a $20 patch that completely overhauls the ending.

[WildGunsTomcat]

I think Bioware doesn't really have a hand in this. It's all up to EA. I think EA doesn't really care what any of us think. They got their money for this game, now they're going to make new ones.

It's sad but I feel all of our efforts will be in vain. And that's the most depressing part of this whole saga...they just don't care.

We'll get an "official" response telling us how they heard us and they understand, but the ending of Mass Effect 3 is a culmination of many talented people, and we feel that these endings are faithful to the original vision of the ME universe blah blah blah blah here's this DLC for 39.99...enjoy!

I'm telling you, I've said it before and I'll say it again: NOT ANOTHER DIME BIOWARE OR EA.

[MouseNo4]

Do you really think they even have the ability to ''fix'' the game? The game has been released. It is out and IN the customers hands right now.

What can you possibly do to fix this problem now that the game has been released?

You cant make a free DLC to fix those endings as 1 - you wont get anything for the work involved and 2 - EA would never allow it, remembering they are a money hungry corporation.

You 'could' do it as a patch. But the cost of making the patch available on the PS3, XBOX as well as the PC would be astronomically high. And that is just getting it up there, not including the price tag of making the patch itself.

[StarcloudSWG]

I'd rewrite the ending entirely. That last sequence with the Normandy; The Normandy should only have fled if they were *losing* the battle, or war assets were low enough that Earth is going to get glassed. ie the worst two Destroy decision outcomes. In the first, it just blows up. In the second, it gets stranded. *all other endings* they land on Earth.

Dump the 'vi that looks like a child' entirely. Replace it with something that's reminiscent of a Reaper in form. Or a Reaper/Keeper hybrid. Rewrite and record dialog for sections of Mass Effect 3 to hint at its existance well before meeting it, and not just in vague dreams. Expand the middle of the game. Abandon Bioware's signature "rush to the end" formula, because there's some massive superteleport plot holes there; how the HELL did they get the Citadel to Earth?

I'd also kill the "Citadel blows up" part of the Synthesis ending. Just because the 'protoReapergodchild' is replaced, is no excuse to destroy the Citadel.

I'd give Shepard a chance to survive/come back in all three endings. Synthesis and Control both, Shepard can have his or her body regrown and can download herself or himself back, just like Edi controls the Eva body.

Honestly, right up until Hackett's last transmission, the ending was *fine*. After that, it went to crap. Through out the entire series, the whole message has been survival and *triumph* against difficult odds. To just take a dump on that concept for the sake of putting your own 'stamp' on the series is a *horrible* move by Mac Walters.

[Militarized]

It's a calculation of how much money they will lose if they ignore the problem vs how much they'll spend and gain back if they fix it.

Personally... I see them making more money if they fix it, even if they fix it for free.

[Tiger-Lord]

Many DLC so they can take in many monies and please the many EA shareholders.

[t003]

They'll have to be careful how they advertise it but it shouldn't be a big problem. I will buy a DLC that adds new endings in a heart beat. I think the endings aren't too bad they just need to factor in the ability to not have the all relays destroyed and Shepard being able to live. I'd say 4000 EMS for the relays to be ok and and at least 6000-7000EMS and 100%GRR for Shepard to live. Plus some sort of epilogue that shows what happens to everyone.

[vigna]

Whatever makes the most money and what makes the most people satisfied-if not happy. So, i would say putting DLC on hold and fast tracking that leaked/faked "shepard lives" Dlc so it incorporates some new ending, and allows a patch for the ME3 ending. that may not be enough.

Bioware was my favorite company...period. I own nearly every game since BG2, and every console game.. I love Bioware.
If they don't make slight alterations to the ending (artist integrity be damned) I will never purchase another Bioware product...ever.
i don't think this is irrational of me. I can't tolerate an ending that breaks so many promises that the time I invested in wouldn't be honored...at all. i expected a sad ending even. or canon death.
I feel misled, but mostly disappointed that the creators all thought this ending would be acceptable to the gaming community....
I'm shocked to think they believed that, or worse--that they didn't care.

[Greed1914]

KainrycKarr wrote...

A DLC that introduces a few new variables to determine what happens to the Normandy and her crew, a bunch of decisions-based Text epilogues detailing the aftermath of the war and the state of the galaxy and it's inhabitants, and .bik movies for the other LI's so people who didn't romance the VS aren't stuck with staring at Liara's mug everytime.

That last one would be nice.  Those who romance the VS or Liara already get a better romance scene so why exactly was I stuck with Liara when I was with Tali?  Yes, I romanced Liara in ME1 and kept it going for as long as possible into ME3, but we left it as friends.  But then again, this is coming from the same people who thought it would be ok to use different colored lights and tell us it was a different ending.

[Nightshade386]

I would have released the game with a proper set of endings that gave the players more choices at the end.

[Phydeaux314]

1. I'd leave the endings as they stand. Yes, you heard me. The destruction of the relay network is arguably part of the galaxy "freeing" itself from the last vestiges of Reaper influence. The Protheans proved that the relays were possible to create. It will now be up to the races of the galaxy to decide their future - independent of influence from the Reapers or Little Boy. (He needs a nickname, btw. We had TIM for the illusive man...)
2. I'd let Shepard survive/resurrect/whatever in all three endings. This would be applied with a patch, not DLC - while the hero sacrificing him/herself for the good of all is a classic story, I don't personally agree that it fits well in Mass Effect's traditionally "glass half full if you work hard" theme. If you do really well, you should be able to have your cake and eat it, too.
3. I would produce post-ending DLC as well as pre-ending DLC. The pre-ending DLC can take almost any form of war preparation, and could even tie in to the ending if they felt so inclined. If the ending isn't meaningless, people won't hate it. As for post-ending DLC, they would need to be fairly limited in scope due to how divergent the post-ending world can be. Just off of my head, the obvious things to explore would be...
- Dealing with the immediate aftermath (rescuing shepard from the citadel, dealing with the damaged ships in orbit, organizing relief efforts for Earth, beginning work on relay research to reconnect with the rest of the galaxy, stocking up ships and sending out regular FTL vessels to nearby systems, etc.)
- Exploring the aftermath of the Normandy's crash on the Mystery Garden World.
- The takeover of Omega
- The eventual reunification (and separation) of the crew and a long term "in the future..." story. Please? I want to see little blue children! Wrex arguing Krogan politics! Garrus and Tali together somewhere! Javik digging the graves for his brethren! Jack and Kaidan teaching biotics! Mordin being memorialized in a ceremony with Krogan, Turian, and Salarians all presiding! An argument between the Geth and the Quarians over how to remember Legion! Samara visiting her daughter rebuilding the monastery! Miranda helping her sister settle in to a new apartment! Jacob's family! Vega getting wasted and losing his paycheck at cards! Conrad Verner lecturing in front of a class!

...I could go on for quite a while.

Modifié par Phydeaux314, 11 mars 2012 - 12:51 .

[Azreal Inc]

Huh, interesting question and what's more interesting is my first thought to answer it ...

Nothing. Release DLC that was planned as planned and ride out the game's life cycle with some new multiplayer maps.

It shocks me because I would like some new endings but if I was BioWare/EA, I just wouldn't do it. Do it for ME3 and who's to stop everyone from clamoring for a new ending to Dragon Age 3 or any other game with an ending that was lackluster. A dangerous precedent to start changing or overhaling games to please the fans after all the money and work that was already poured into it.

Damnit, now I hate myself as well. Thanks a lot.

[Hellknites]

Unfortunately, the hopeful part of me wants to believe that they will release a better ending dlc. Considering that most of us here on bsn would and have said they would pay for this.

[MouseNo4]

On a personal opinion note - i cannot see Bioware/EA doing anything about this. I see this as Dragon Age 2 all over again. Did they EVER fix the ending on that game? Nope. Did they even acknowledge the problems and backlash from it? Nope.

In MY PERSONAL OPINION, if i ran EA/Bioware... i would NOT fix the ending. Me as a player would want them to - but me as the developers/publishers would not. Why? Because it is just not financially feasible to do so. It simply does not make business sense to severely alter an already released product at IMMENSE expense just to satisfy ''a minority''. (yes i believe both EA and Bioware fully believe the 'ending haters' are a minority)

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

KainrycKarr wrote...
and .bik movies for the other LI's so people who didn't romance the VS aren't stuck with staring at Liara's mug everytime.

I still maintain that Joker and Anderson deserve to be replaced more than Liara. Tali/Garrus/Liara, now that would be a good combination of characters for Shep (mine anyway) to remember.

Anyway, were I Bioware, I would release a DLC mission that included some variable that could be used to affect the ending (say by adding a 4th option to the three lights choices). Because I would understand that there are a lot of fans who aren't buying any ME3 DLC until they get their ending fixed.

Modifié par Mr. Big Pimpin, 11 mars 2012 - 01:02 .

[MouseNo4]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...
...the three lights...

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!

[Greed1914]

If nothing else, it doesn't seem unreasonable that Shepard could survive in all endings. The character was literally brought back from the dead using Reaper tech. The Catalyst says that the Destroy option includes Shepard's implants, and yet that is the only option where Shepard can live? With synergy, they want to use Shepard's DNA as the blueprint for this new way of life. Ok, I can go with that, but why does he have to be vaporized? A blood sample would give them all the DNA they need. It certainly can't be about Shepard's experiences because that would imply that our choices for the rest of the time actually counted in the end.

[Hokochu]

I am no businessman but I believe this would be a nice solution:

1. Consolidate common complaints about the ending and discuss ways to make more people happy with it and find a way to make it make sense.

2. Have the art team develop some cool cosmetic stuff for SP and MP and release the DLC info about them a long side a pledge that they are working to improve the ending and will be releasing revised endings as a free patch.

3. Renewed hope in the franchise for many fans = more DLC sales (cosmetic stuff/weapons and stuff are very cheap and easy to produce pieces of DLC). Use the profits from the cheap DLC to create revised endings at cost. This could easily be done by revising the events after TIM and Anderson die. Change the following scene, change the subsequent cinematic and add a text epilogue. The only voice actors required for rerecording would be Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale. If the child is in the revised ending he can be recast if he cannot be brought back in.

4. Announce new big content DLC and tease the new endings with some minor details. Long time fans will be interested some more.

5. Release big content DLC along side ending patch fix.

The key here is damage control. Long-term financial security relies on the fanbase while short term will be DLC sales. This solution would allow them to profit off DLC in the short term while extending an olive branch to their potentially lost clients and securing future sales of their products.

Modifié par Hokochu, 11 mars 2012 - 01:09 .