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[Archer]

eye basher wrote...

eveynameiwantisfekintaken wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Please don't speak for me. The endings were fine in my opinion. And Shepard's story should end here. It is never good to drag out a story beyond the logical conclusion.

To an extent i agree with you. No issues myself with saying my goodbyes to shepard, no issues even if he dies. I totaly  agree that this is the time to end sheps adventures. My contention with the ending is that it DOESNT have a logical conclusion

logic from the very start ME has been about stopping the reapers and breaking the cycle and you do and as for shepard and the crew they are assets and they are expendable saving the galaxy from the reapers is what matters who dies doing it doesn't.

Agreed, but thats not what i meant. Im fine with shepard dying, im fine with crew members dying, im fine with cost of victory. Its the implementation i have issue with and this is what i refer to when i say the ending isnt logical.

An example - why in a fleet of thousands of ships that are engaged in a climatic battle does one vessel (Normandy) suddenly decide a quick trip through the sol relay is needed?

Yes i can "headcannon" several reasons for this, but surely thats the games job? Isnt closure what i was told i would be getting prior to buying the game?

[Mev186]

We defeated Saren! We defeated the Collectors! We united a galaxy! If there is a lesson in Mass Effect, it's that we can beat the odds. Shepard gave me hours of enjoyment, Now it's time to return the favor... She deserves better than what she got!

[Archereon]

...You guys DO realize that we're the vocal minority here?

10,000 people is barely more than 1% of the people who've bought ME3, and the rest of the 99%, the mainstream that is, doesn't really give a damn about the endings.

So yeah.

$100,000 from disillusioned fanchilds doesn't justify a new ending.

[Spatchmo]

Archereon wrote...

...You guys DO realize that we're the vocal minority here?

10,000 people is barely more than 1% of the people who've bought ME3, and the rest of the 99%, the mainstream that is, doesn't really give a damn about the endings.

So yeah.

$100,000 from disillusioned fanchilds doesn't justify a new ending.

I've looked around a bit, I don't think there are video game forums anywhere that are full of love and adoration for the ME3 ending.

I am pretty sure Bioware does listen to the folks on BSN either way.

[jeweledleah]

Archereon wrote...

...You guys DO realize that we're the vocal minority here?

10,000 people is barely more than 1% of the people who've bought ME3, and the rest of the 99%, the mainstream that is, doesn't really give a damn about the endings.

So yeah.

$100,000 from disillusioned fanchilds doesn't justify a new ending.

you do realize that every gaming and some non gaming sites are exploding with "endings suck" theme, right?  10,000 on BSN is just a tip of the iceberg.  and bioware has including plenty of fan service moments for few hundreed fans asking for them.  this is far far bigger then a few hundreed

[kbct]

Archereon wrote...

...You guys DO realize that we're the vocal minority here?

10,000 people is barely more than 1% of the people who've bought ME3, and the rest of the 99%, the mainstream that is, doesn't really give a damn about the endings.

So yeah.

$100,000 from disillusioned fanchilds doesn't justify a new ending.

Yes, but even a small 12K sample from here can be extrapolated to make predictions about the population that purchased Mass Effect 3. It don't look good.

[gbemery]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Bioware are the reapers and EA is the catalyst and BSN is shepard.

Great so we have the option of either

1. Influencing Bioware but we will ultimately loose ourselves.
2. Destroy Bioware and ourselves but saving the rest of humanity
3. Merge ourselves with Bioware so that our thoughts and theirs are intertwined in to the ultimate developer/customer relationship
4. Not gain enough support and be utterly reaped of our money and resources just to have our dreams and hopes crushed and prepare for the next cycle of manipulation.
or
5. Destroy Bioware, save humanity and possibly breath our new breathes in a world free from dispare

[bro_9009]

Chief Martini wrote...

Stop bashing Bioware, it won't get you anywhere except for perm-banned. Just stay civilized.

Don't worry, most of the posts criticizing ME3 ending were constructive without abuse or attacks on the staff. It's all civilized, just players, expressing their personal opinions. I don't think it violates forum rules.

Although there has been posts with atacks on those that have problems with endings, like this thread topic - social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9756533, title is too big to fit on thread page, but you can see it on the first page with title lists right now. It ends with a "mild" comment on sexual preferences of those who would like an option for a good ending. I don't really care what words someone else is using, I wouldn't do it myself, but that was just to point out that strong words are being thrown at players by other players here, and not at BioWare.

[Notho]

Alamar2078 wrote...

Is the writer's last name Shepard because this is the most united I've ever seen the forums ....

You must have missed the Deception embroglio last month...

[d-boy15]

"Take good ending back"

[Archereon]

Spatchmo wrote...

Archereon wrote...

...You guys DO realize that we're the vocal minority here?

10,000 people is barely more than 1% of the people who've bought ME3, and the rest of the 99%, the mainstream that is, doesn't really give a damn about the endings.

So yeah.

$100,000 from disillusioned fanchilds doesn't justify a new ending.

I've looked around a bit, I don't think there are video game forums anywhere that are full of love and adoration for the ME3 ending.

I am pretty sure Bioware does listen to the folks on BSN either way.

The rest of the Internet, excluding maybe /v/ and Something Awful have resigned themselves to the endings as they are. While most people might not like the endings, they've accepted them, and aren't going to fork over money to have them changed.

[Tartilus]

Archereon wrote...

Spatchmo wrote...

Archereon wrote...

...You guys DO realize that we're the vocal minority here?

10,000 people is barely more than 1% of the people who've bought ME3, and the rest of the 99%, the mainstream that is, doesn't really give a damn about the endings.

So yeah.

$100,000 from disillusioned fanchilds doesn't justify a new ending.

I've looked around a bit, I don't think there are video game forums anywhere that are full of love and adoration for the ME3 ending.

I am pretty sure Bioware does listen to the folks on BSN either way.

The rest of the Internet, excluding maybe /v/ and Something Awful have resigned themselves to the endings as they are. While most people might not like the endings, they've accepted them, and aren't going to fork over money to have them changed.

You know, I was wondering when I would finally get to meet the Ambassador Of The Rest Of The Internet. Tell me, how is the embassy nowadays? I heard you got your degree in making-up-statistics-from-my-own-anecdotes from Yale.

[Ranicus56]

I hope Bioware dose something.

[Fjordgnu]

We're all united. It's too bad it took the end of the wo- I mean ... the ... endings of ME3 to do it.

Maybe we're actually part of an enormous social experiment.

[JasonDaPsycho]

Wow took us three games to realize EA is going to ruin everything. When we did realize at the last second, we decided to unite. Sounds a whole lot like ME3 to me actually.

[Mx_CN3]

In regards to the poll: one problem with it, I feel, is that some people (like) me think that "the endings suck," but we also don't necessarily need a "happy" ending. Just one that feels more like and ending to a trilogy, not an ending to the penultimate chapter.

And a problem with the mass dissatisfaction with the endings is that people dislike them for very different ways. My chief problem was that the Reapers were completely butchered when we found that they are actually just servants to a higher purpose. Others just don't want the plot holes, some want that happy ending, some don't want Shepard to die, etc.

If that doesn't sound like DLC material, I don't know what does.

[Mx_CN3]

JasonDaPsycho wrote...

Wow took us three games to realize EA is going to ruin everything. When we did realize at the last second, we decided to unite. Sounds a whole lot like ME3 to me actually.

That... is just being silly.  While you have as many varied opinions on the different parts of the entire trilogy, most people that I've heard opinions from like all three, including ME3, they just don't like the very very last part.  It's completely unfair to say that EA ruined the series, when it is actually just one tiny bit (albeit a very important bit) that everyone is upset about.

Edit: hmm, I have a feeling that I may have misinterpreted what you said...

Modifié par Mx_CN3, 11 mars 2012 - 02:33 .

[AveryChim]

The more I think about it, the more I dislike the ending.

Not because of how it ended... the whole destroy, control or synthesize thing was fine IMO, not the most creative way to end the series, but still acceptable. My problem with the ending was that they didn't show the aftermath of my choice. How is everyone gonna get home now that the relays are destroyed? What happened to my squad (esp. the LI) and how they reacted to Shephard's death? What happens to the qurians and geth?

Overall the ending is just not flashed out enough, too many loose ends, too many unanswered questions, too little closure. It's almost like they ran out of either money or interest by the time they reached the end.

ME3 was a good game but still far inferior to the previous titles.

[Madecologist]

AveryChim wrote...

The more I think about it, the more I dislike the ending.

Not because of how it ended... the whole destroy, control or synthesize thing was fine IMO, not the most creative way to end the series, but still acceptable. My problem with the ending was that they didn't show the aftermath of my choice. How is everyone gonna get home now that the relays are destroyed? What happened to my squad (esp. the LI) and how they reacted to Shephard's death? What happens to the qurians and geth? 

I fully agree. I did feel the start was a little rough but it quickly shed its thorns and was an epic ride for the most part (I even played 24 hours straight on my day off). The ending does not offend me as it has many others, but the lack of closure has left be bewildered.

I do have some issues with certain elements of the ending but I think most could have been delt with by making the final decision more impactful, it felt more like the Guardian was having a monologue to an agreeing Shepard by the end of the choices (Shepard only argues with him a little at the start). Also having more of a denoument and epilogue afterwards to bring proper closure would have been better.

Personally I am fine with the Protagonist doing the ultimate sacrifice (I enjoy a good cry, but I didn't tear up because I was too busy wondering what is going to be happen to everyone). Thane's death, some of the scenes with Liara and Ashley made me misty eyed, yet somehow the death of my own character fell on a flat tone... something was lost in the method of the narrative.

Heck I am even fine with the need to blowing up the relays: they are Reaper Tech deliberately left behind to mold the development of advanced races in a direction that matches the pattern of the cycle they enfore. So if you blow the Reapers up they too will explode because of the shared origin and the fact the destructive blast is channeled via them, and if you take control and leave you probably need them to go too since you want to end the cycle once and for all. I imagine Synthesis results in such a feedback of energy that the relays can not handle the load of propagating the new matrix of life and effectively burn themselves out.

Problem is none of that gets explained properly either, the Guardian only mentions how the energy of the Crucible will cause the relays to explode. No expose, proper explaination, or even a debate from Shepard where the Guardian explains the actual problem they might pose or the necessity of destroying them to inact any of the plans. Just an after thought mention that the Crucible energy will do it.

AveryChim wrote...

Overall the ending is just not flashed out enough, too many loose ends, too many unanswered questions, too little closure. It's almost like they ran out of either money or interest by the time they reached the end.

This sums up my overall feeling about the matter.

Modifié par Madecologist, 11 mars 2012 - 04:21 .

[Leafs43]

ME1: Soveriegn acting like a murderous machine with free will

ME2: Harbinger acting like a murderous machine with free will

ME3: lol, jk some kid is controlling the reapers on the citadel.

[Mx_CN3]

Leafs43 wrote...

ME1: Soveriegn acting like a murderous machine with free will

ME2: Harbinger acting like a murderous machine with free will

ME3: lol, jk some kid is controlling the reapers on the citadel.

To be fair, most of ME3 definitely gave the impression that Reapers were still the murderous machines with free will.  If the last 5 minutes didn't exist, it would still be that way.  (This is what probably pissed me off the most about the endings, btw.)

[RethenX]

The only thing that I like about the ending is that it has brought us all together. Its just sad that our favorite franchise had to be treated this way to make it happen.

[Leafs43]

Mx_CN3 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

ME1: Soveriegn acting like a murderous machine with free will

ME2: Harbinger acting like a murderous machine with free will

ME3: lol, jk some kid is controlling the reapers on the citadel.

To be fair, most of ME3 definitely gave the impression that Reapers were still the murderous machines with free will.  If the last 5 minutes didn't exist, it would still be that way.  (This is what probably pissed me off the most about the endings, btw.)

Actually ya, I do need to be more accurate.

ME1: Soveriegn acting like a murderous machine with free will

ME2: Harbinger acting like a murderous machine with free will

ME3: Army of reapers acting like murderous machines with free will

Final 5 minutes of ME3: lol, jk some kid is controlling the reapers on the citadel  /roll credits

[Madecologist]

Leafs43 wrote...

Actually ya, I do need to be more accurate.

ME1: Soveriegn acting like a murderous machine with free will

ME2: Harbinger acting like a murderous machine with free will

ME3: Army of reapers acting like murderous machines with free will

Final 5 minutes of ME3: lol, jk some kid is controlling the reapers on the citadel  /roll credits

Darn it... I haven't even considered that... I don't even know how to classify this one. The more I think about it the more I am getting displeased with the whole Guardian (Star Child) element of the ending.

Wait wait... oh no... no... if the Citadel houses the 'nexus' of the Reapers, why did it allow the Protheans of Ilos to modify the Keepers signal code so that Soveriegn's 'wake up' call to the Citadel wouldn't work?

As long as the Citadel merely remained as the nexus of the Mass Relay Network and a gateway to 'Dark Space', it made sense why the Ilos plan worked -and- why the Reapers need to protect it from getting the Crucible hooked up to it. But the minute you say the Citadel had a controlling conscienceness that is 'above' the Reapers... then the need to protect it still makes sense but... why did it let the Ilos Prothean modify it's operation... Doesn't have to stop them per say, just let them think they succeeded, they died off anyways.

oh... no... I should stop extrapolating here... because then I realised the Keeper are not needed for the activation of the Dark Space conduit. All they need to do is maintain the place (which they did) and the Guardian would send the trigger. It may or may not need a Vanguard, maybe the Guardian doesn't take an active roll and the Reapers don't know about it. So the Vanguard serves the same role it did before (keeping an eye on galactic civilization and then sending the signal when it is time), but the trigger would be recieved by the Guardian who would intiate the Dark Space conduit. The Keepers only being eternal janitors and maintainece crew.

It would be foolish to be an avatar of the Reapers Proginator and monitor their activities with absolutely no control over any of the systems of your most important component... no one would do that... oh... wait...

Great my opinion of the ending just got worst...

[AxisEvolve]

Mev186 wrote...

We defeated Saren! We defeated the Collectors! We united a galaxy! If there is a lesson in Mass Effect, it's that we can beat the odds. Shepard gave me hours of enjoyment, Now it's time to return the favor... She deserves better than what she got!

Oh my god. Did Bioware mess up the endings on purpose to unite us? Will Mass Effect 4 take place on these forums? I'm scared.