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[John Locke N7]

i honestly dont think hes anti fan in the post....

he says, "I suppose it's a testament to how engaging Mass Effect has been, that it's prompted such a heartfelt reaction from fans. Still, to demand a game be rewritten via a patch to suit your own opinion of what makes a better ending could definitely be seen as a little arrogant. "

sure he calls everyone who thinks this way arrogant, but he says COULD BE =0. When i read this i dont read (ME fans are stupid) i read (Your guy's stance seems stupid to me).

I just think he thinks that way because hes not privy to the fullest extent of our aruements, about WHY the ending is bad.

[SandTrout]

I can't figure out how to leave a comment, and the idiot doesn't deserve any more of my effort than a copy-paste, so if someone could please copy the following link into their response, it would be appreciated.

http://social.biowar...5/index/9720265

It's not mine, but I'm sure the OP of that thread wouldn't mind me spreading his insight.

[Ariq007]

I'm also a fan of Jim and Destructoid, posted my comment there already.

I think Jim is comparing *certain* of us to the literary psycho or whatever from Misery (never saw it), but is still keeping an open mind. But yeah, it's still kind of unrepresentative, since the VAST majority of the debate has actually been pretty civil and reasonable, compared to usual internet outrage. Also, I;m not happy that he went with "everyone wants a happy ending" like so many others, though he does give mention to those of us who felt like our choices were nixed by the endings.

[vasametropolis]

everyone is ovvveeerrr-reacting. even if you didn't like the end it still doesn't come close to destroying the fantastic game me3 is otherwise, and the series as whole. your concern is completely valid, but if you think about your time with mass effect and what it meant to you, this doesn't actually change any of that. you're gutted, I know, but you will get over it and will probably still love the games for the experiences they gave you up until now. I liked it, and simultaneously acknowledge it isn't ideal for everyone, but am I wrong to think it's a little hasty and foolish to go blasting BioWare? They didn't do it to you on purpose. I've been as much a fan as anyone and don't feel any hostility whatsoever. I mean, that's probably because as I said, I love the direction they took overall, but I acknowledge it has issues, many of which we all know.

If people in general are amiable and ask for some more insight on the ending they could throw something in there for everyone, but asking them to replace an ending that was more than adequate for numerous people is absurd, and if they did change it then they'd be slapping the others in the face.

Modifié par xCaptainAmazing, 11 mars 2012 - 02:32 .

[TeamLexana]

Ultra Prism wrote...

You guys forgeting check Amazon reviews of Mass effect, go check user ratings on various game sites ... people dropping 1 stars as the ending totally killed the series what we loved so much

Aww. That's just mean. I really enjoyed the rest of the game too much to be so vindictive.

BUT......

GET THE MOTHER TRUCKING NORMANDY OFF OF THAT MOTHER TRUCKING PLANET BW!!!

*crickets*

That is all.

[bro_9009]

Wow, check out metacritic user raitings, "generally unfavorable" www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3

That's impressive. Steam uses metacritic, although they use critic metascore, not user scores.

Modifié par bro_9009, 11 mars 2012 - 05:09 .

[Teddie Sage]

Thanks for sharing.

[Umbrellamage]

xCaptainAmazing wrote...

everyone is ovvveeerrr-reacting. even if you didn't like the end it still doesn't come close to destroying the fantastic game me3 is otherwise, and the series as whole. your concern is completely valid, but if you think about your time with mass effect and what it meant to you, this doesn't actually change any of that. you're gutted, I know, but you will get over it and will probably still love the games for the experiences they gave you up until now.

Yes it does.

The "ending" we got has completely obliterated any desire for me to play through 1 or 2 again.  Mass Effect meant something to me when I thought the choices I made throughout the first two games would affect the climax of the third. This is clearly not the case because bioware decided to go all deus ex machina and give us one ending with three color filters.  

In Shepard's conversation with the citadel kid he says that without hope we're no better than machines.  I continued to play ME1 and 2 because I had hope that the possible endings of the trilogy would be varied.  Ironically, experiencing the ending destroyed that hope.

[John Locke N7]

bro_9009 wrote...

Wow, check out metacritic user raitings, "generally unfavorable" www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3

That's impressive. Steam uses metacritic, although they use critic metascore, not user scores.

i would say thats unjustifyed. their reviews should reflect the impact the ending had on the game for them, not how it destroyed the game.....

the ending dint destroy what the rest of the game is, its unrelated in everyway.

Modifié par John Locke N7, 11 mars 2012 - 02:39 .

[GBGriffin]

bro_9009 wrote...

Wow, check out metacritic user raitings, "generally unfavorable" www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3

That's impressive. Steam uses metacritic, although they use critic metascore, not user scores.

The funny thing is, 3.4 is an improvement. I checked it when the reviews were a 2.0, though that was probably before they started purging the people who registered just to give it a 0.

Modifié par GBGriffin, 11 mars 2012 - 02:40 .

[Teddie Sage]

"The "ending" we got has completely obliterated any desire for me to play
through 1 or 2 again.  Mass Effect meant something to me when I thought
the choices I made throughout the first two games would affect the
climax of the third. This is clearly not the case because bioware
decided to go all deus ex machina and give us one ending with three
color filters."

This resumes pretty much what I think at the moment.

[deathscythe517]

xCaptainAmazing wrote...

everyone is ovvveeerrr-reacting. even if you didn't like the end it still doesn't come close to destroying the fantastic game me3 is otherwise, and the series as whole. your concern is completely valid, but if you think about your time with mass effect and what it meant to you, this doesn't actually change any of that. you're gutted, I know, but you will get over it and will probably still love the games for the experiences they gave you up until now. I liked it, and simultaneously acknowledge it isn't ideal for everyone, but am I wrong to think it's a little hasty and foolish to go blasting BioWare? They didn't do it to you on purpose. I've been as much a fan as anyone and don't feel any hostility whatsoever. I mean, that's probably because as I said, I love the direction they took overall, but I acknowledge it has issues, many of which we all know.

If people in general are amiable and ask for some more insight on the ending they could throw something in there for everyone, but asking them to replace an ending that was more than adequate for numerous people is absurd, and if they did change it then they'd be slapping the others in the face.

I think you're missing the point that most of us don't give a damn if the original endings are still in but more over the fact we want variety. Before the game was out, we were promised at least two distinct endings, the Reapers winning and a Golden Ending. We got neither and the three endings are remarkably similar to the point that why should we even have a choice  at all?

[Greed1914]

I don't see him as taking a very balance view of this when we get compared to the woman from Misery.

If nothing else, it isn't really the same. A book is a passive medium. The author tells you a story, and asks for no input from you. Here, we're constantly asked to choose, and to create our story within a certain amount of confinement. Then at the end, that doesn't matter. It's fine in a passive medium, but it's not so good in an active one. How many times during an ME2 loading screen were we told to keep our saves because they would carry over, if we survived? Oh sure, it carried over, right up until the very end, when the rug was pulled out from under us.

[John Locke N7]

Greed1914 wrote...

I don't see him as taking a very balance view of this when we get compared to the woman from Misery.

If nothing else, it isn't really the same. A book is a passive medium. The author tells you a story, and asks for no input from you. Here, we're constantly asked to choose, and to create our story within a certain amount of confinement. Then at the end, that doesn't matter. It's fine in a passive medium, but it's not so good in an active one. How many times during an ME2 loading screen were we told to keep our saves because they would carry over, if we survived? Oh sure, it carried over, right up until the very end, when the rug was pulled out from under us.

not only in game, but here on the forums.....

Most of the mechanical descisions in ME2 and 3 are from fan response

[Greed1914]

GBGriffin wrote...

bro_9009 wrote...

Wow, check out metacritic user raitings, "generally unfavorable" www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3

That's impressive. Steam uses metacritic, although they use critic metascore, not user scores.

The funny thing is, 3.4 is an improvement. I checked it when the reviews were a 2.0, though that was probably before they started purging the people who registered just to give it a 0.

The sad part is that those low scores on metacritic don't help this situation.  That will be held up as an example of entitled fanboys raging.  They'll see the 0's and not consider why those people put those there.  However, if they look at BSN, they'll clearly see that most of us loved almost all of the game.  Lowballing a game on metacritic is just taken as people being mad something is popular, and little credit is given to any genuine opinions.

[JPshieux]

John Locke N7 wrote...

He only makes inaccurate accusations with limited evidence.

That is all I got out of his article.  

I really dislike these people coming into the forums, personally attacking those wanting a better ending with insults and slurs, and making their arguments with limited information.  If you are going to get into an argument with a person opposing your views you better do the damn research. 

So far I'm only seeing the trolls who think it's fun to go against the vocal majority and offer no actual point of view regarding the problem, which are the endings. 

Modifié par Schirach, 11 mars 2012 - 02:53 .

[Beldamon]

I'm sorry, I can't tolerate the attitude there. Interesting that the people there who don't like the ending of the game are for the most part calmly stating their reasons and using reasoned arguments, and the people who liked the ending or know nothing about it, are name calling and flinging feces about like they are going out of style....

[John Locke N7]

Schirach wrote...

John Locke N7 wrote...

He only makes inaccurate accusations with limited evidence.

That is all I got out of his article.  

I really dislike these people coming into the forums, personally attacking those wanting a better ending with insults and slurs, and making their arguments with limited information.  If you are going to get into an argument with a person opposing your views you better do the damn research. 

So far I'm only seeing the trolls who think it's fun to go against the vocal majority and offer no actual point of view regarding the problem, which are the endings. 

yeah but he'll read ALL those comments. (atleast he says he reads all the comments on his blogs. i believe him)

from the posts ive read today, i dont think Jim would deny them. Id think he would see where we are coming from.

im not saying he'll take our side, im actualy looking forward to what he says on the matter, im just trying to make sure he has all he needs to compile his thoughts.......

What he says DOES have an impact on an arguably significant scale....... i HOPE i know him well enough that even he would think thats crazy, but true.

[GBGriffin]

Greed1914 wrote...



The sad part is that those low scores on metacritic don't help this situation.  That will be held up as an example of entitled fanboys raging.  They'll see the 0's and not consider why those people put those there.  However, if they look at BSN, they'll clearly see that most of us loved almost all of the game.  Lowballing a game on metacritic is just taken as people being mad something is popular, and little credit is given to any genuine opinions.

That is, exactly, 100% my fear. That we'll be lumped into the same category as the bigots and the people who rate 0 for the hell of it, as well as the people who just say "thisz game sux",  and written off by BioWare and the public for just hating BioWare for no reason.

[bro_9009]

John Locke N7 wrote...

bro_9009 wrote...

Wow, check out metacritic user raitings, "generally unfavorable" www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3

That's impressive. Steam uses metacritic, although they use critic metascore, not user scores.

i would say thats unjustifyed. their reviews should reflect the impact the ending had on the game for them, not how it destroyed the game.....

the ending dint destroy what the rest of the game is, its unrelated in everyway.

Yes, I agree. Doesn't seem just. Game was solid 100 IMHO before the last five minutes. Maybe it would be better if users added pre-ending/post ending scores in review's body, like most did in user review thread in BSN.

[John Locke N7]

bro_9009 wrote...

John Locke N7 wrote...

bro_9009 wrote...

Wow, check out metacritic user raitings, "generally unfavorable" www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3

That's impressive. Steam uses metacritic, although they use critic metascore, not user scores.

i would say thats unjustifyed. their reviews should reflect the impact the ending had on the game for them, not how it destroyed the game.....

the ending dint destroy what the rest of the game is, its unrelated in everyway.

Yes, I agree. Doesn't seem just. Game was solid 100 IMHO before the last five minutes. Maybe it would be better if users added pre-ending/post ending scores in review's body, like most did in user review thread in BSN.

its a 99 for me =0. that endings costs.

[dkear1]

bro_9009 wrote...

John Locke N7 wrote...

bro_9009 wrote...

Wow, check out metacritic user raitings, "generally unfavorable" www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3

That's impressive. Steam uses metacritic, although they use critic metascore, not user scores.

i would say thats unjustifyed. their reviews should reflect the impact the ending had on the game for them, not how it destroyed the game.....

the ending dint destroy what the rest of the game is, its unrelated in everyway.

Yes, I agree. Doesn't seem just. Game was solid 100 IMHO before the last five minutes. Maybe it would be better if users added pre-ending/post ending scores in review's body, like most did in user review thread in BSN.

If you bother to read many of the reviewers who posted the 0 score you will see that many are saying that they would have given the game a 7-9 if it weren't for the endings.  I too gave it a 0.  Why?  Because that ending soured my enjoyment of the entire series.   I just can't seem to work up the motivation to replay the game or even the other 2 (which I was all set to do after getting my epic win).  Now, what is the point.  

Besides, what other medium to do we have to complain.  If we give the game a 5-7 then our votes won't mean anything as they will be overwhelmed by the 10's that folks are pumping out.  Giving it a 0 is the only way to make an impact.  If others are inclined to dismiss this without bothering to read the actual reviews that explain the low rating then it is them that are childish and immature.

[Siegdrifa]

Remind me of an old manga, "video girl Ai".
After years of drama, it ended very badly, but with all the fan asking for it, the author made a "happy end" with his though, and he said something like he planed to give a tragic end from the start, but after all the years, he also agreed that the hero and Ai have deserved a little peace after all these suffer.

Making a tragic end for 1 oeuvre is more easy to accept than 4 year and half for the older fan (god i'm glad i'm not one of those early fan) who invested hundreds of hours with happy / sad and golrious moment with these great characters.
No surprise they were hit by a truck, it's so more easy to get exposed when the string are deeply pluged.
Pro review are more cold toward those kind of story, they play games until they either get sick or grow a thick skin, having a cold analysis of what is working, what is not (sayng BS in the process sometimes because they are still human with their opinion) the hero die at the end? well, don't care as long as it could be justified a little, move along to another game, busy busy busy etc.

Most people asking for adding (not especialy changing) new brighter end don't play video games 10h a day all the year, so yhea, no shame in getting hited harder.
Now i wonder if Bioware will listen and make a move toward them or not.

[John Locke N7]

i would never give that experiance i had a 0.

i just remember my pheaston, my graal spike thrower, and my geth sniper rifle.....

ME3 combat does not deserve a 0.

[pomrink]

Guys don't you know? Fan opinion is the complete opposite of what most people think. So we must trick. Start showing them support and they'll get scared and change the ending