So we know that Maferath betrayed Andraste to the Tevinters because he was jealous of a lot of things (wife was more popular than him, bride of a god, e.t.c). My question is, do you or do you not blame Maferath for doing so? Do you sympathize with him or do you think his betrayal was inexcusable?
I personally despise him for not being able to keep his emotions in check. He couldn't compete with a god, or the prophet of a god, but that was no reason for him to betray his wife the way he did. I say he should have accepted it like a man and took it on the chin.
What say the rest of you?
Do you blame Maferath?
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SnakeStrike8
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 04:07
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Well, I think his reaction was (sadly) part of human nature, but that doesn't mean I excuse it. I'm going with the "totally inexcusable betrayal" option here. If he really loved her, eh, maybe he should have let her go. His ego left him unable to accept the fact that his wife had risen to greater prominence as a leader of their people, and the jealous guy side couldn't deal with her love for the Maker.
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 04:11
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Assuming the event is historical fact and not made up rubbish.. I rather think it was inevitable.
He was a petty tribal chieftain of little note, she a glorious rebel leader against the most powerful human empire there ever was. Even if the bride of the Maker stuff wasn't part of it he was bound to become jealous and act on it.
Were I Andraste I would've had him eliminated. I don't blame him so much as her short-sightedness.
Yeah yeah, call me ruthless. I'm just saying if she's going to go off and lead an armed rebellion while claiming the Maker shares her bed, she shouldn't leave baggage behind.
He was a petty tribal chieftain of little note, she a glorious rebel leader against the most powerful human empire there ever was. Even if the bride of the Maker stuff wasn't part of it he was bound to become jealous and act on it.
Were I Andraste I would've had him eliminated. I don't blame him so much as her short-sightedness.
Yeah yeah, call me ruthless. I'm just saying if she's going to go off and lead an armed rebellion while claiming the Maker shares her bed, she shouldn't leave baggage behind.
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 04:12
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T1l wrote...
Who would betray their own wife?
Henry VIII wants a word with you.
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 04:12
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It's one hell of a way out of divorce settlements, thats for sure!
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 04:19
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This. Really, it's note surprising the man turned against her when you think about it. Though I think that he might have been far less apt to betray her to the Tevinter forces had she not essentially flaunted her love for the Maker in his face, even unintentionally. Even I would get annoyed with having to play second fiddle to an omnipotent being after so many years, especially if my wife and I had previously shared a rather close bond before said being came into the picture and tore her away.The Angry One wrote...
Assuming the event is historical fact and not made up rubbish.. I rather think it was inevitable.
He was a petty tribal chieftain of little note, she a glorious rebel leader against the most powerful human empire there ever was. Even if the bride of the Maker stuff wasn't part of it he was bound to become jealous and act on it.
Were I Andraste I would've had him eliminated. I don't blame him so much as her short-sightedness.
Yeah yeah, call me ruthless. I'm just saying if she's going to go off and lead an armed rebellion while claiming the Maker shares her bed, she shouldn't leave baggage behind.
Not defending the man or anything though, If I was in his position I'd have dumped her ass and moved on with my life. At least that way Andraste could focus solely on her "beloved" Maker, and he could have a chance to be happier elsewhere.
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 04:19
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The Angry One wrote...
Henry VIII wants a word with you.
Rez please.
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 08:28
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T1l wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
Henry VIII wants a word with you.
Rez please.
hehe can someone plz ress Henry VIII
haha
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 08:32
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Excusable, and no I don't blame him. Being cheated on is easily one of the worst things that can happen to a human. Maker or no, there isn't an excuse for that...
But the burning at stake thing on the other hand isn't right from any point of view.. so, in regards to him getting really jealous and angry about that, yes I'm fine with it. The betrayal and burning is a no-no.
But the burning at stake thing on the other hand isn't right from any point of view.. so, in regards to him getting really jealous and angry about that, yes I'm fine with it. The betrayal and burning is a no-no.
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 08:40
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SnakeStrike8 wrote...
So we know that Maferath betrayed Andraste to the Tevinters because he was jealous of a lot of things (wife was more popular than him, bride of a god, e.t.c). My question is, do you or do you not blame Maferath for doing so? Do you sympathize with him or do you think his betrayal was inexcusable?
I personally despise him for not being able to keep his emotions in check. He couldn't compete with a god, or the prophet of a god, but that was no reason for him to betray his wife the way he did. I say he should have accepted it like a man and took it on the chin.
What say the rest of you?
Well, personally, I couldn't stand living with a prophet. It's just crazy. But no excuses for betrayal. If he got pissed off, he should do something himself instead.
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 09:03
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f*ckin Maker is a wife stealer lol
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 09:08
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The Angry One wrote...
T1l wrote...
Who would betray their own wife?
Henry VIII wants a word with you.
:D
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 09:08
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If someone close to me started to organise a rebellion on grounds of sharing a bed with a god and having been told what must be done by said god, I would at least betray that person to the closest psychiatric clinic.
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 09:16
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T1l wrote...
Who would betray their own wife?
Modern day men?.. Or so every Hollywood chickflick leads me to believe.
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 09:22
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I saw it as just something the rebellious world would do to a devout follower of the Maker. Maferath was just merely an inevitability. If Maferath wasn't the one who betrayed Andraste to her death, it would be someone else instead.
It's just the nature of the world. So in a way, no, I don't blame him. But it's still inexcusable.
It's just the nature of the world. So in a way, no, I don't blame him. But it's still inexcusable.
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 09:24
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Zweijsters wrote...
T1l wrote...
Who would betray their own wife?
Modern day men?.. Or so every Hollywood chickflick leads me to believe.
Unfortunately that hasn't stopped them from going after "bad boys", and nice guys still finish last.
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 09:29
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If we take this story as fact, then I'm going to give him the Judas excuse, since no one seems to think about that 
He "betrayed" her so that in the grand scheme of things she would be a martyr for the church. Like Judas if the price to pay is that everyone hates you, oh well.
He "betrayed" her so that in the grand scheme of things she would be a martyr for the church. Like Judas if the price to pay is that everyone hates you, oh well.
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 10:01
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Yeah initially I assumed he was a surrogate Judas figure, but honestly the entire system of faith as presented in Dragon Age seems to be simply fable. It's just as likely she was a ruthless and brilliant warlord, who obtained a cult of followers.
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 10:03
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Yes that is why I said "If we take this story as FACT"
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 05:24
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So let's take it as 'fact'. Andraste is like Jesus, or Prophet Muhammad. Do we accept either of them as fact? Both men lived, certainly (there are historical records from a number of sources to prove as such), and both claimed to be prophets of God. True or not? It's objective.
But anyway, that's besides the point. Let's assume that it's true. Who here approves of the Maker snatching up Andraste like Hades filched Persephone? I think it was mighty unfair of a God, of all things, to simply look at a human woman (a married one, I should add) and say 'Nice voice! Marry me, woman!'.
But anyway, that's besides the point. Let's assume that it's true. Who here approves of the Maker snatching up Andraste like Hades filched Persephone? I think it was mighty unfair of a God, of all things, to simply look at a human woman (a married one, I should add) and say 'Nice voice! Marry me, woman!'.
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 05:42
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Who betrayed who first? I think Andraste was the one in fault here not Maferath, althought betraying Andraste like that is way over hills. He should've just left the army.
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 05:45
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SnakeStrike8 wrote...... Who here approves of the Maker snatching up Andraste like Hades filched Persephone? I think it was mighty unfair of a God, of all things, to simply look at a human woman (a married one, I should add) and say 'Nice voice! Marry me, woman!'.
This reminds me of many Greek dieties and their ways. Zeus just to name one.
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Posté 27 novembre 2009 - 05:49
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The Angry One wrote...
Assuming the event is historical fact and not made up rubbish.. I rather think it was inevitable.
He was a petty tribal chieftain of little note, she a glorious rebel leader against the most powerful human empire there ever was. Even if the bride of the Maker stuff wasn't part of it he was bound to become jealous and act on it.
Were I Andraste I would've had him eliminated. I don't blame him so much as her short-sightedness.
Yeah yeah, call me ruthless. I'm just saying if she's going to go off and lead an armed rebellion while claiming the Maker shares her bed, she shouldn't leave baggage behind.
You got it all wrong! Andraste was the figurehead Maferath was the strategist! It was all his effort and Andraste taking all the glory because the successes was "given" by the maker. That is if the Maker part isn't true.
But to tell you honestly even without the figurehead Andraste and the so called backing of the Maker, Maferath would still be able to achieve anything he did because it just takes a spark of hope to rouse enslaved people to rebellion.
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Posté 01 décembre 2009 - 11:45
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Elanareon wrote...
But to tell you honestly even without the figurehead Andraste and the so called backing of the Maker, Maferath would still be able to achieve anything he did because it just takes a spark of hope to rouse enslaved people to rebellion.
Good swords help too. Sparks of hope are all well and good, but you're a twit if you think that'll save you or your rebellion when the riot police (or their equivalent) come for you.
