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[HKR148]

Is there more reason to believe that we are a vocal minority rather than our opinion indeed sides with the majority opinion? There is not. At least the statistics on the forum can indicate the overall fan's reaction to a certain degree. It is more believable that perhaps more people are discontent with the ending rather than the vice versa argument based on the evidence we've got.

Also, the ending had way too much flaws from the logical perspective. It doesn't matter if the overall logic was to do something about the reapers if the logical transition is just gone to hell.

Modifié par HKR148, 11 mars 2012 - 02:24 .

[Archereon]

OblivionDawn wrote...

Archereon wrote...

I've been seeing all this talk on these forums about how everyone's united in hatred of Mass Effect 3's endings, not just BSN, but a lot of other communities as well...

But I'm afraid that's simply not true.

All those polls and petitions that people have been holding up as evidence for this?

Even if we do not consider people voting in more than one poll, the total number of votes is less than 1% of Mass Effect's total purchasing base.

The ending will NOT be changed for our sake I'm afraid, though I wouldn't be surprised if it gets retconned or hand waved to make room for ME4; EA milks games until they're no longer profitable, and prequels really don't have much room to manuever with the endings being the way they are.

To the rest of the world, the people asking for the endings to be changed are a bunch of sad, basement dwelling, arrogant, entitled fanchildren riding on a mile high horse.

So that's it, the endings are here to stay until ME4 gets greenlit. Can we please move on to complaining about something else?

Edit: I do believe I was a bit unclear about this thread. I meant to say that the people actually calling for the ending to be changed by DLC/patch/retcon are the vocal minority, most players have simply accepted the endings and moved on, and are unlikely to purchase DLC that changes those endings simply because it offers them better endings.

Clearly this guy is out of touch with reality.

Any semblance of research will reveal the vocal minority are those who actually like the ending. Like yourself.

And no, most of us aren't basement dwelling children, although it's sad that you have to use insults to support your flimsy logic.

Most of us enjoy the feeling that good story gives us, and Mass Effect was one of the best. However, most of us also hate the fact that we've invested a large amount of money (relative to other video games) and time into these games, and we hate seeing it go to waste with an ambiguous ending that provides no closure.

You may be ok with having thrown your money down the drain., but that's probably because you don't understand the value of it. It also doesn't make you the majority in anyway.

I personally do not like the endings. Look through my post history if you care to, I find them deeply dissatisfiying personally. What I'm not doing is calling for the endings to change.

[BrotherFluffy]

First off, I know this place isn't the only group who's pissed at the endings. I've seen it on YouTube, on Facebook, and a half-dozen other places. People are upset.

And yes, I realize that the odds are stacked against us even being heard on this, but I'm still going to try. I'd rather stand and fight instead of sitting down and shutting up. And isn't fighting against the odds something that Mass Effect is all about?

[KillerJudgement]

Archereon wrote...

I've been seeing all this talk on these forums about how everyone's united in hatred of Mass Effect 3's endings, not just BSN, but a lot of other communities as well...

But I'm afraid that's simply not true.

All those polls and petitions that people have been holding up as evidence for this?

Even if we do not consider people voting in more than one poll, the total number of votes is less than 1% of Mass Effect's total purchasing base.

The ending will NOT be changed for our sake I'm afraid, though I wouldn't be surprised if it gets retconned or hand waved to make room for ME4; EA milks games until they're no longer profitable, and prequels really don't have much room to manuever with the endings being the way they are.

To the rest of the world, the people asking for the endings to be changed are a bunch of sad, basement dwelling, arrogant, entitled fanchildren riding on a mile high horse.

So that's it, the endings are here to stay until ME4 gets greenlit. Can we please move on to complaining about something else?

Edit: I do believe I was a bit unclear about this thread. I meant to say that the people actually calling for the ending to be changed by DLC/patch/retcon are the vocal minority, most players have simply accepted the endings and moved on, and are unlikely to purchase DLC that changes those endings simply because it offers them better endings.

Speak for yourself.

I have never been on the Bioware forums aside form game registration and discussing the ending of Mass Effect 3. One percent of the purchase base for ONE POLL after 4 days of the game being released is NOT a vocal minority... You have to consider the people who have language barriers, the people who have yet to finish the game, and exclude the people who have only begun playing the series with ME3 (there's a lot of them).

If they do not speak up, they simply do not care enough to post their opinion. Therefore their opion is not known, nor should it be assumed into consideration.

Modifié par KillerJudgement, 11 mars 2012 - 02:26 .

[HKR148]

Archereon wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

Archereon wrote...

I've been seeing all this talk on these forums about how everyone's united in hatred of Mass Effect 3's endings, not just BSN, but a lot of other communities as well...

But I'm afraid that's simply not true.

All those polls and petitions that people have been holding up as evidence for this?

Even if we do not consider people voting in more than one poll, the total number of votes is less than 1% of Mass Effect's total purchasing base.

The ending will NOT be changed for our sake I'm afraid, though I wouldn't be surprised if it gets retconned or hand waved to make room for ME4; EA milks games until they're no longer profitable, and prequels really don't have much room to manuever with the endings being the way they are.

To the rest of the world, the people asking for the endings to be changed are a bunch of sad, basement dwelling, arrogant, entitled fanchildren riding on a mile high horse.

So that's it, the endings are here to stay until ME4 gets greenlit. Can we please move on to complaining about something else?

Edit: I do believe I was a bit unclear about this thread. I meant to say that the people actually calling for the ending to be changed by DLC/patch/retcon are the vocal minority, most players have simply accepted the endings and moved on, and are unlikely to purchase DLC that changes those endings simply because it offers them better endings.

Clearly this guy is out of touch with reality.

Any semblance of research will reveal the vocal minority are those who actually like the ending. Like yourself.

And no, most of us aren't basement dwelling children, although it's sad that you have to use insults to support your flimsy logic.

Most of us enjoy the feeling that good story gives us, and Mass Effect was one of the best. However, most of us also hate the fact that we've invested a large amount of money (relative to other video games) and time into these games, and we hate seeing it go to waste with an ambiguous ending that provides no closure.

You may be ok with having thrown your money down the drain., but that's probably because you don't understand the value of it. It also doesn't make you the majority in anyway.

I personally do not like the endings. Look through my post history if you care to, I find them deeply dissatisfiying personally. What I'm not doing is calling for the endings to change.

I maybe one of the people who may wish the better ending. But at the same time I won't force them as that's impossible regardless. But what I will certainly do is vote my money against from buying DLC and any of their games and that's simply my reaction.

[Hexxys]

By the way, we're not talking 50/50 on polls which would indicate a vocal minority if a forum is otherwise being spammed with negativity.

We're talking an unusually consistent 80-90% of people who feel the endings are inadequate.

[defenestrated]

Archereon wrote...

I've been seeing all this talk on these forums about how everyone's united in hatred of Mass Effect 3's endings, not just BSN, but a lot of other communities as well...

But I'm afraid that's simply not true.

All those polls and petitions that people have been holding up as evidence for this?

Even if we do not consider people voting in more than one poll, the total number of votes is less than 1% of Mass Effect's total purchasing base.

It's wrong to assume online posters are a representative sample but its nutty to assume that they make up the sum total of those who hold a given opinion. Since we're talking about a video game, the online sample
isn't quite as bad as it'd be for other topics. If anything, the problem determining the general consensus on ME3's ending is that it's still so new and people haven't finished it yet. Most people seem to agree that the game, minus the ending, is fantastic.

The general trend in opinions seems to skew pretty negative towards the endings. It'll be interesting to see if this holds. Maybe we will ultimately fall in the vocal minority, maybe we won't. I'm guessing its going to wind up being a sizable chunk of the playerbase that doesn't like the endings.

Edit: I do believe I was a bit unclear about this thread. I meant to say that the people actually calling for the ending to be changed by DLC/patch/retcon are the vocal minority, most players have simply accepted the endings and moved on, and are unlikely to purchase DLC that changes those endings simply because it offers them better endings.

While this is possible, you do realize you've pulled this out of thin air, right?

Editted to fix the weird endlines.

Modifié par defenestrated, 11 mars 2012 - 02:27 .

[mopotter]

Aedan276 wrote...

I think the anger over the ending is pretty universal, if the response to Fallout 3 is any gauge. Aside from diminishing the significance of our choices in ME1 and ME2, even the choices of ME3 itself became totally irrelevant because of the ending. It's like a really bad conversation choice, except it envelops the entire series instead of just one isolated interaction/mission. 

I was on Amazon and it had a 3 out of 5 mostly, because of the ending.    I'm still hoping for a "broken steel" dlc.  I hated the FA3 ending, only played it once until I found out about the dlc.  Now I still play it.

edited a word

Modifié par mopotter, 11 mars 2012 - 02:27 .

[Drake_1000]

plnero wrote...

Gigerstreak wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

****: Mein Fuhrer, your choices actually do matter.

Hitler: How, so I can pick the ****ING color of the end screen?

That's gold.

All of this is 100% true for me.
I cant stop laughing but still it made me sad.

[Greed1914]

SaltyWaffles-PD wrote...

Tartilus wrote...

Archereon wrote...

I've been seeing all this talk on these forums about how everyone's united in hatred of Mass Effect 3's endings, not just BSN, but a lot of other communities as well...

But I'm afraid that's simply not true.

All those polls and petitions that people have been holding up as evidence for this?

Even if we do not consider people voting in more than one poll, the total number of votes is less than 1% of Mass Effect's total purchasing base.

The ending will NOT be changed for our sake I'm afraid, though I wouldn't be surprised if it gets retconned or hand waved to make room for ME4; EA milks games until they're no longer profitable, and prequels really don't have much room to manuever with the endings being the way they are.

To the rest of the world, the people asking for the endings to be changed are a bunch of sad, basement dwelling, arrogant, entitled fanchildren riding on a mile high horse.

So that's it, the endings are here to stay until ME4 gets greenlit. Can we please move on to complaining about something else?

Your response to individuals drawing a conclusion from a limited and biased sampling is to draw the opposite conclusion from that same limited and biased sampling?

We have a winner!

Basically, don't presume to know whether or not this is just a vocal minority. We don't know either way yet (game sales early on is not a good indication, especially since reviews never mention the ending at all, either way, which is rather telling).

Exactly.  Most reviews don't mention the very end.  They say that the game overall is a great finish to a great series, but they are largely quiet on the ending, good, bad, or otherwise.  I will say that the few opinions from reviewers I've heard outside of the official review is that the ending is terrible, even though the rest is great.  The reviewer from The Escapist flat out says this in a podcast.  Then they go on to discuss if a terrible ending ruins what was otherwise a great time. 

[Archereon]

^ I forgot to proofread my post I'm afraid. It's something that many people on various forums could be faulted for.

[Lexagg]

Also, OP, we aren't calling for the endings to be necessarily CHANGED, we just want more meaningful possibilities, other than completely disconnected, out of the blue "pick one of three doors" ending we have.

[HKR148]

KillerJudgement wrote...

Archereon wrote...

I've been seeing all this talk on these forums about how everyone's united in hatred of Mass Effect 3's endings, not just BSN, but a lot of other communities as well...

But I'm afraid that's simply not true.

All those polls and petitions that people have been holding up as evidence for this?

Even if we do not consider people voting in more than one poll, the total number of votes is less than 1% of Mass Effect's total purchasing base.

The ending will NOT be changed for our sake I'm afraid, though I wouldn't be surprised if it gets retconned or hand waved to make room for ME4; EA milks games until they're no longer profitable, and prequels really don't have much room to manuever with the endings being the way they are.

To the rest of the world, the people asking for the endings to be changed are a bunch of sad, basement dwelling, arrogant, entitled fanchildren riding on a mile high horse.

So that's it, the endings are here to stay until ME4 gets greenlit. Can we please move on to complaining about something else?

Edit: I do believe I was a bit unclear about this thread. I meant to say that the people actually calling for the ending to be changed by DLC/patch/retcon are the vocal minority, most players have simply accepted the endings and moved on, and are unlikely to purchase DLC that changes those endings simply because it offers them better endings.

Speak for yourself.

I have never been on the Bioware forums aside form game registration and discussing the ending of Mass Effect 3. One percent of the purchase base for ONE POLL after 4 days of the game being released is NOT a vocal minority... You have to consider the people who have language barriers, the people who have yet to finish the game, and exclude the people who have only begun playing the series with ME3 (there's a lot of them).

If they do not speak up, they simply do not care enough to post their opinion. Therefore there opion is not known, nor should it be assumed into consideration.

Basically similar to Presidential election. If somebody knows that you didn't bother to vote and make that fact a publicm yet you are making such strong remark about the president, do you think your argument holds any authority? Nobody should depend on the silent majority (if it does exist) because they simply are not passionate enough to voice their opinion. If they are not doing that then why should we worry about them? It's their responsibility, not ours to assume their opinions.

[Arthorius]

So, if I understand OP, the presence of an overwhelming majority of outraged fans here on the Bioware forum proves that outside of it everyone love the ending?

Seems legit.
...
That is a joke.

Modifié par Arthorius, 11 mars 2012 - 02:31 .

[TheAsphodel]

I have a feeling that this is a calculated attempt by a troll to rile up the community. It seems to be working.

[Pandaman102]

The fact is that we forum posters have always been the vocal minority of the overall customer base and by our very nature we are a biased selection. We pay more attention to detail than the average gamer, have stronger reactions to flaws, and tend to jump toward extremes. This fact applies to the people hating on the endings as well as the people who are defending it. Neither group can claim to be representative of the silent majority, who tend to move on to the next shiny game without so much as a thought once they're finished with this one.

So why shouldn't people here voice their opinions, no matter how disagreeable it may be with you? Nobody else will voice this opinion for them otherwise.

[kramerfan86]

I would agree with the thought that those actually expecting a change are the vocal minority, however I do think its fairly clear the ending is disliked by the majority. Ive been on several other websites and talked with other fans, I really am not seeing much support at all for the ending, even amongst those fine with the overall more bleak feel its agreed it was poorly written and gave poor closure.

[toots1221]

Among my gamer friends and family yes I am the only one coming onto forums trying to get the endings changed. None of them like the endings at all, I'm just the only one that cares enough to try and change them. A few have already traded in their copies of ME3, a few have just silently written Bioware off their list of companies to buy games from, one of them has never really played video games that much and I talked him into ME3, he was so underwhelmed at the way the game ended that he probably won't buy another video game like this again. But nobody I know who has played the games liked the endings.

[coldlogic82]

Gigerstreak wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

My god, this is pure gold.

[AxisEvolve]

The only people that matter are those who care enough to add their voice to the discussion. The "majority" are casual gamers who play through the game once and are completely apathetic to what happens to the Mass Effect universe. A large number of people will play on Action where you have no choice at all anyway (look at who they are marketing at). So I don't really care what the auto-decision people think.

[AlexMBrennan]

By symmetry, you could argue that those happy with the endings are the vocal minority. Sales figures and such are obviously completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand (example: I am unhappy but I cannot "un-buy" the game)

Further, you are wrong. Happy endings are a cliche *because* that's what people want to see; if people wanted to see grim and depressing endings there'd be a lot more examples in media because movie makers, game developrs and authors want to, above anything else, sell stuff.

Besides, one of the main points in ME marketing is that player choices matter, so the complaints about Shepard getting three palette swapped endings are valid.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 11 mars 2012 - 02:33 .

[Spaceguy5]

Well, when you consider that I havent met -anyone- who likes the ending (and when you consider that I'm the only person out of my friends who comes to this forum).... I think it's safe to assume that no one who likes Mass Effect's story will like this ending.

[Archereon]

kramerfan86 wrote...

I would agree with the thought that those actually expecting a change are the vocal minority, however I do think its fairly clear the ending is disliked by the majority. Ive been on several other websites and talked with other fans, I really am not seeing much support at all for the ending, even amongst those fine with the overall more bleak feel its agreed it was poorly written and gave poor closure.

Then we're on the same page. I'm really just hoping for people to stop talking about the endings endlessly, and stop asking for post catalyst DLC. The former is unconstructive, and the latter is exceedingly unlikely.

[Scott Sion]

Archereon wrote...

^ I forgot to proofread my post I'm afraid. It's something that many people on various forums could be faulted for.

Did you read that in a poll? I believe you're in the vocal minority.