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[emperoralku]

Archereon wrote...

So that's it, the endings are here to stay until ME4 gets greenlit.

I love how you simply state this as fact.

[TheAsphodel]

So then we are to give up all hope on any chance things might get better. That's like saying "Reaper defeat is inevitable, so let's just lie down and die."

[P_sutherland]

Archereon wrote...

kramerfan86 wrote...

I would agree with the thought that those actually expecting a change are the vocal minority, however I do think its fairly clear the ending is disliked by the majority. Ive been on several other websites and talked with other fans, I really am not seeing much support at all for the ending, even amongst those fine with the overall more bleak feel its agreed it was poorly written and gave poor closure.

Then we're on the same page. I'm really just hoping for people to stop talking about the endings endlessly, and stop asking for post catalyst DLC. The former is unconstructive, and the latter is exceedingly unlikely.

that will not happen until the endings become epic endings. As for the fourms exploding about the me3 endings... well... that wont be ending anytime soon

[Fjordgnu]

Archereon wrote...
^ I have taken a course in statistics, and I've come to the conclusion that these Internet based polls are far too subject to external influences and personal bias (multiple voting, crossover between different polls, and the fact that the majority of consumers seem not to be up in arms, given the lack of polls with signatures in the hundreds of thousands) to be accepted as a credible source.

There's a poll right here on the social network with over 12 000 votes. It's currently the most voted poll, so you shouldn't have much trouble finding it. I can't find any way of voting more than once, you know it's limited to people who have some sort of connection to BioWare / Mass Effect, and its results are utterly unambiguous.

Now, I don't know what sort of statistics course you've taken, but a selection of over 10 000 should be enough to get at least a general sense of where things are at in a population that's at most a few million large.

[ynh]

Archereon wrote...

kramerfan86 wrote...

I would agree with the thought that those actually expecting a change are the vocal minority, however I do think its fairly clear the ending is disliked by the majority. Ive been on several other websites and talked with other fans, I really am not seeing much support at all for the ending, even amongst those fine with the overall more bleak feel its agreed it was poorly written and gave poor closure.

Then we're on the same page. I'm really just hoping for people to stop talking about the endings endlessly, and stop asking for post catalyst DLC. The former is unconstructive, and the latter is exceedingly unlikely.

People won't stop talking about the endings or asking for DLC. A lot of us were emotionally attached to our characters. I beat ME3 and walked away feeling very depressed and a bit angry. They should really add in a few more endings honestly and fix the major plot holes the current ones leave.

[BrotherFluffy]

Archereon wrote...
I'm really just hoping for people to stop talking about the endings endlessly, and stop asking for post catalyst DLC. The former is unconstructive, and the latter is exceedingly unlikely.

So because we're all bothering you, we should just be quiet about it?  People are upset, and rightfully so in my opinion(minority or not), and people should be capable of expressing their feelings.  And don't say that people lobbying on forums never worked, it has. Case in point, Blizzard's RealID forum debacle.

[Phydeaux314]

If you want to be technical, only about 0.31% of the player base has voted on the issue in the polls that are kicking around, and about 0.3% feel that the ending needs to be redone. The game has sold three and a half million copies so far - and the poll requesting a change has about eleven thousand votes.

[logan23tom78]

I say bioware should reach out to the players who bought the game and ask them what they think of the ending. I foresee the dlc for me3 will not do well compare to me2s unless the community knows bioware is looking into a patch for me3 endings.

I'm simply asking for clarification and more diversity rather then copy and paste the same ending. I also understand a patch would cost money so I'm thinking they just need to tweak it enough. Their IP depends on how they handle this.

[SandTrout]

To answer the OP's question: Yes, I have considered that I may be part of the vocal minority. However, minority or majority does not negate the fact that there have been clear, detailed, reasonable explanations of why the endings are unacceptable. Evidence

People defending the endings, on the other hand, have invariably fallen back to name calling and false accusations. Even you, in your attempts to denounce out position, have only ad hominem attacks such as

To the rest of the world, the people asking for the endings to be changed are a bunch of sad, basement dwelling, arrogant, entitled fanchildren riding on a mile high horse.

We are pointing out, with constructive criticism, what is wrong with the ending, and even providing a multitude of solutions. We want to correct what we see as a terrible mistake for everyone involved. You simply claim that people asking for something to be changed are inherently wrong for reasons that you won't explain other than

To the rest of the world, the people asking for the endings to be changed are a bunch of sad, basement dwelling, arrogant, entitled fanchildren riding on a mile high horse.

which is simply an immature ad hominem attack that, while on par for BSN on any other day, is actually remarkably bellow the level of the discussion at and, and you should feel bad for presenting such a pathetically hypocritical line of argument.

[Sanguine]

/new to this post

but i'm wondering how the OP knows that the 'vast, vast majority' has become resigned and moved on?

[kramerfan86]

Im fine with people complaining, using the internet as a sounding board to get their frustration off their chest. It wont make any difference in the end, bioware has our money and isnt going to "fix" anything because we are angry, but I know coming on here and complaining with others who felt bad made me feel a bit better. Eventually this will all die down after people have tired themselves out, damage is probably done to the franchise though, I dont know how well a Mass Effect 4 would do at this point.

[pokoa]

Archereon wrote...

Gigerstreak wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

And that is what the rest of the Internet sees you as.


I don't presume to judge about anyone doing something crazy like asking for a new ending for this game, I'm just pointing out that the vast, vast, majority of the Internet seems to have accepted the endings for what they are (bad), and moved on, rather than putting up such a huge resistance to them.

I have been quiet on ME3 so far trying to rationlize the ending (I beat the game yesterday) and once it was all over and I was left looking at a bleb telling me to buy dlc I personaly was so hart broken I couldent bring my self to play any other game.

So instead I spent the next 8 hours lurking on forms across the internet and from the escapest to ign, g4 etc etc most the fans that have been with ME since the begining are for the larg magority in a state of shell shock, sadness and rage.  A few are fine this is true but for the most part the fans are upset.

[LordHelfort]

Archerson not all of us are demanding a massive retcon of everything. Alot of us just want damn closure.

Equally important is were not demanding they change anything. We're simply demanding that promises made, that led us to believe the product had certain features, we're clearly not kept. We were promised closure, questions answered and clearly we had none of these. NOONE is going to be satisfied with the endings, and even if most people are not on the forums, I highly doubt that they're enjoying it either.

While BSN may not be representative, the same view on the endings holds true across other websites too. We are not the minority.

And hey, for those of you living in the states, your entire government is RUN by a vocal minority. Either way, it looks like we have the upper hand.

[KainrycKarr]

Phydeaux314 wrote...

If you want to be technical, only about 0.31% of the player base has voted on the issue in the polls that are kicking around, and about 0.3% feel that the ending needs to be redone. The game has sold three and a half million copies so far - and the poll requesting a change has about eleven thousand votes.

And that's only on this forum. That majority of owners likely aren't even on this forum.

[Yagamoth3433]

Archereon wrote...

Even if we do not consider people voting in more than one poll, the total number of votes is less than 1% of Mass Effect's total purchasing base.

You do realize that polls for political campaigns use about the same percentage of samples and yet are usually accurate within +/-  5 percentage points right?

[raeting]

Archereon wrote...

Even if we do not consider people voting in more than one poll, the total number of votes is less than 1% of Mass Effect's total purchasing base.

That's not how statistics work.

You can attack the poll's numbers based on the fact that it only queries those who know about BSN and care enough to post. So it self-selects based on the idea that those whom hate the game are far more likely to complain than those whom loved it are to praise.

But you can't attack it based on it being 'only' 1% of the purchasing base. At this point, one of them has over 12,000 respondants. That is enough responses to get a view of what's going on. Even if the results are biased, they do mean something. A meaningful segment of Mass Effect's fanbase isn't happy.

Archereon wrote...

Then we're on the same page. I'm really just hoping for people to stop talking about the endings endlessly, and stop asking for post catalyst DLC. The former is unconstructive, and the latter is exceedingly unlikely.

It isn't unconstructive, evidenced by your own post. If everyone were to do as you ask, then your assertion about the players whom complain about the ending would become a self-fullfiling prophecy. If everyone agreed with you that it was entirely pointless, and thus did not complain, then others could turn around and point at the sudden stop of complaints as proof that only a minority of players disliked the ending.

In other words. The fact that you believe only a vocal minority of players dislikes the ending should only serve to encourage more complaining by those whom did have a problem. If only to ensure that your assertion is proven false.

Though, we do agree on the idea that any satisfactory outcome is unlikely.

[SandTrout]

Phydeaux314 wrote...

If you want to be technical, only about 0.31% of the player base has voted on the issue in the polls that are kicking around, and about 0.3% feel that the ending needs to be redone. The game has sold three and a half million copies so far - and the poll requesting a change has about eleven thousand votes.

This is a false premise. The numbers involved, in excess of 10k, are statistically significant by any modern standards, even though the venue of the poll is necessarily biased, preventing it from being qualified as any sort of 'scientific' poll.

To discount the numbers presented completely is a mistake, because even if you adjust for the fact that the most vocal showing will be from the discontent, the numbers that we have are honestly still overwhelming.

[Almostfaceman]

Gigerstreak wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Oh my god I laughed so hard I started crying. Where's a tissue?

[ynh]

SandTrout wrote...

Phydeaux314 wrote...

If you want to be technical, only about 0.31% of the player base has voted on the issue in the polls that are kicking around, and about 0.3% feel that the ending needs to be redone. The game has sold three and a half million copies so far - and the poll requesting a change has about eleven thousand votes.

This is a false premise. The numbers involved, in excess of 10k, are statistically significant by any modern standards, even though the venue of the poll is necessarily biased, preventing it from being qualified as any sort of 'scientific' poll.

To discount the numbers presented completely is a mistake, because even if you adjust for the fact that the most vocal showing will be from the discontent, the numbers that we have are honestly still overwhelming.

Just to add, the votes in the 12000 player sample might not mean much when compared to one another, but in the larger context of ME3 owners, 10k people is a huge number of players. That's not counting the people who don't know about the poll.

[tenacious_err]

That's just it though. We are a minority, absolutely, but by calling the majority resigned that isn't exactly an ringing endorsement. We're only the vocal minority because we're the ones screaming and yelling while the majority seems to just be disliking the ending and resigned to that dislike. We want a change, they don't like it. Neither is a good thing.

[OblivionDawn]

Bottom line: Ignore this guy, new-ending hopefuls. Stuff has been retconned before, including endings. It's not an impossibility just because some random dude from nowhere says so.

[Almostfaceman]

I know for a fact that if the poll showed we were in the minority we'd be called the vocal minority.

[Vasparian]

To the OP. If you want to take it and shut up that's your right, but some of us are not going to just sit down, shut up and take it as you tell us to.

[kramerfan86]

Id advise people to just do what I did recently while relaxing, headcon the ending you want and embrace that. I just dont see bioware spending the time and effort to bring back voice actors to "fix" the ending.

[AlexMBrennan]

Archereon wrote...
Even if we do not consider people voting in more than one poll, the total number of votes is less than 1% of Mass Effect's total purchasing base.

That's not how statistics work.

That's exactly how statistics work. Assuming it's a representative sample, which it isn't, more votes mean smaller confidence intervals.