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[AxisEvolve]

SpiritualOdyssey wrote...
Trying to convince the posters of BSN to stop collective bargaining is like trying to convince the Illusive Man that controlling the Reapers is a bad idea.

You've been here a month?

[Lord Nikon 001]

Many are the people that I have met on line and off that don't know where to post their displeasure or feedback on this game. I am helping to correct that. The "minority" will continue to grow until it becomes a recognized people who will be heard, not because we are the loudest, but because we are right.
I'm Lord Nikon...
I'm smart.
I'm handsome
And gosh darnnit! People like me!

[Salty Specula]

plnero wrote...

Salty Specula wrote...


I already want to knife some of the Bioware writers for this **** and since you're gonna come in here and dump this **** on the community, I might as well start with you.

Seriously? I want the endings changed too but do you really need to say something like this? This isn't how you voice an opinion.

Yeah right. So tell me, have you been forced to dump $320 for the three standard games by themselves because of your country's inflated economy? How about dropping another $150 on DLC?

You know, there are people in the world that will kill someone for you for less than $470.

[GuardianAngel470]

Salty Specula wrote...

plnero wrote...

Salty Specula wrote...


I already want to knife some of the Bioware writers for this **** and since you're gonna come in here and dump this **** on the community, I might as well start with you.

Seriously? I want the endings changed too but do you really need to say something like this? This isn't how you voice an opinion.

Yeah right. So tell me, have you been forced to dump $320 for the three standard games by themselves because of your country's inflated economy? How about dropping another $150 on DLC?

You know, there are people in the world that will kill someone for you for less than $470.

That's absolutely the wrong direction to take this discussion. You could technically get someone to kill someone else for a sandwich, it still doesn't make it right. Bioware made a mistake in an otherwise excellent game, there's no reason to threaten to kill them.

[Pedro Costa]

You know, I've been lurking BSN since it was created, I've seen stuff man, and did some things, and all that jazz...
Point is, I've ALWAYS seen this community bickering, arguing, and tearing each other's throats off for any reason you can think of. Templars vs Mages; silent protagonist vs voiced one; pro-Cerberus vs anti-Cerberus; pro-Geth vs pro-Quarians, multiplayer vs singleplayer; paragons vs renegades vs (paragades + renegons)...
And in all those discussions, the opposers to something would roughly equal the proponers.
Then came DA2, where many on BSN hated it, but most were simply disappointed.
And now roll ME3, where on a poll with the absolute LARGEST amount of participants I've seen here (roughly 10 000 participants), 97% of participants AGREES - yes, read again, NINETY SEVEN PERCENT OF TEN THOUSAND PEOPLE- agrees these endings aren't acceptable.

When a community that knows nothing else but to insult any and everyone for the pettiest of reasons agrees on something, you know that said something is very wrong indeed.

[Razith]

I think many of us just would enjoy a choice of a dark ending, happy ending, and the bittersweet middle(s) ending we were railroaded into. The story would have made just as much sense without destroying the relays, similar to how the Collector's base was dealt with if you didn't destroy it (honestly would have made a neat difference in the '17' endings.

[Aedan276]

toots1221 wrote...

Among my gamer friends and family yes I am the only one coming onto forums trying to get the endings changed. None of them like the endings at all, I'm just the only one that cares enough to try and change them. A few have already traded in their copies of ME3, a few have just silently written Bioware off their list of companies to buy games from, one of them has never really played video games that much and I talked him into ME3, he was so underwhelmed at the way the game ended that he probably won't buy another video game like this again. But nobody I know who has played the games liked the endings.

That basically encapsulates the general response. 

[Lord Nikon 001]

DarkLord_PT wrote...

You know, I've been lurking BSN since it was created, I've seen stuff man, and did some things, and all that jazz...
Point is, I've ALWAYS seen this community bickering, arguing, and tearing each other's throats off for any reason you can think of. Templars vs Mages; silent protagonist vs voiced one; pro-Cerberus vs anti-Cerberus; pro-Geth vs pro-Quarians, multiplayer vs singleplayer; paragons vs renegades vs (paragades + renegons)...
And in all those discussions, the opposers to something would roughly equal the proponers.
Then came DA2, where many on BSN hated it, but most were simply disappointed.
And now roll ME3, where on a poll with the absolute LARGEST amount of participants I've seen here (roughly 10 000 participants), 97% of participants AGREES - yes, read again, NINETY SEVEN PERCENT OF TEN THOUSAND PEOPLE- agrees these endings aren't acceptable.

When a community that knows nothing else but to insult any and everyone for the pettiest of reasons agrees on something, you know that said something is very wrong indeed.

Maybe that was Bioware's plan all along with this game. To unite use. Make love, not war...  I'm tearing up.

[Deztyn]

DarkLord_PT wrote...

You know, I've been lurking BSN since it was created, I've seen stuff man, and did some things, and all that jazz...
Point is, I've ALWAYS seen this community bickering, arguing, and tearing each other's throats off for any reason you can think of. Templars vs Mages; silent protagonist vs voiced one; pro-Cerberus vs anti-Cerberus; pro-Geth vs pro-Quarians, multiplayer vs singleplayer; paragons vs renegades vs (paragades + renegons)...
And in all those discussions, the opposers to something would roughly equal the proponers.
Then came DA2, where many on BSN hated it, but most were simply disappointed.
And now roll ME3, where on a poll with the absolute LARGEST amount of participants I've seen here (roughly 10 000 participants), 97% of participants AGREES - yes, read again, NINETY SEVEN PERCENT OF TEN THOUSAND PEOPLE- agrees these endings aren't acceptable.

When a community that knows nothing else but to insult any and everyone for the pettiest of reasons agrees on something, you know that said something is very wrong indeed.

QFT

Everyone agrees the endings are trash. Some just disagree about why.

Even the most ardent supporters of the ending (and I've only seen a few) agree that the Normandy scene was out of place.

[MrAtomica]

Archereon wrote...

My response is based on how this community is regarded alongside 4chan as one of the most immature, entitled, and volatile places on the Internet. I've checked on other communities, and fans seem to have resigned themselves to the endings as they are, rather than trying something absolutely crazy like asking BioWare to retcon the endings.

Funny, since the endings are at least a partial retcon as is.

Since when are the Reapers, each "A nation, indepedent." (not an exact quote, but close enough), the minions of an ornery computer program? And how exactly is ordering a race of machines to reap organic life any less of a technological singularity than said organics supposedly 'inevitably' creating said machines themselves?

Let's assume you believe that the galaxy is already moving toward this point...

The Geth you say? Made peace between them and their creators. They repeatedly state they have no intention of aggression.

EDI you say? Guided her personal development throughout the story. She is as trustworthy and "human" a crewmember as any other.

Rogue AIs/VIs from the first two installments? Isolated incidents, all shut down. They were never sentient to begin with, regardless.

Modifié par MrAtomica, 11 mars 2012 - 04:56 .

[Sashimi_taco]

I have to disagree. The other places I visit are in mayhem over the endings. Everyone hates them. Penny arcade, reddit, ign, all many more. I think a raging majority of the people who finished the game hate them a lot.

[sergeym1990]

That's not just BSN,. Pretty much all people on all forums visit hate the endings.

[DrDetective]

Even if we are the vocal minority, the squeaky wheel still gets the grease.

[Steptroll]

Ever considered that you are in a minority which isn't being heard because it is a minority?

Modifié par Steptroll, 11 mars 2012 - 05:00 .

[Exile Isan]

A few people have stated that because the poll here on this site is only 12,000 or so people out of the million games sold that it is a small minority that is complaining about the endings. You do realize in national election polls they usually only poll about a 1000 people and apply it to the entire state or the nation. There are currently about 300,000,000 Americans. Think about that the next time you hear a poll.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 11 mars 2012 - 05:20 .

[Averdi]

I've lurked in these forums maybe 2-3 times prior to ME3. After being presented with the three choices, I was so shocked that I searched for spoilers, found the endings, and took the extraordinary step (for me) of registering here just to vote in the polls or otherwise express my displeasure at the ending. I don't often get too excited or invested in games, but that abomination was beyond the pale. If there are others like me, it could be that the controversy is actually attracting people to these forums to express such sentiments.

[QuirkyGroundhog]

No, seriously, it's a vocal minority. Not a vocal minority that was 'meh' about the ending. A lot of people were 'meh' about the ending. But 'THIS ENDING RETROACTIVELY RUINS THE FRANCHISE AND I DEMAND DLC TO FIX IT BECAUSE YOU OWE ME!'? Yeah, that's a vocal minority. It's actually a shame that Bioware loves its hardcore fans enough that they might actually do it.

[DrDetective]

Yes, it's such a shame that they feel loyalty to their fans and might want to make up for objectively bad writing.

[CareerKnight]

I'm not really sure new endings through dlc is really as much of a long shot as some people think. Its the end of the trilogy so alternate endings make a lot of sense dlc wise. Even if everyone loved the existing endings I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two dlcs give you additional choices.

[Terminus Echoes]

http://social.biowar...index/9724883/1

Read.

[Mitra]

After reading all of this, I came to the conclusion that I'm going to copy/paste here one of my posts from another tread:

Speaking from my heart, and as a loyal fan of Bioware work so far, I really must say that they will get 0$ from me from now on if they decide to go playing mute over voices of all of us.

We are humans, pure emotional beings with their own consciousness and moral bars. We are not a "switch" which they can just press ON or OFF.

Sure, if/when they give us this ending fix, they can give us peace and we will be thankful.
But it has to be understandable that this epic fight that is happening now has a great tendency for being reported in video gaming history as something that has happened on world wide scale with biggest number of individual participants ever.
And imagine, if BioWare decide to hear us and finally give us the green light, they too will be remembered as a great company who really cares about biggest loyal army of fans ever, and much more, if they give us this fix for free, people will see that they do really care and that could be the best ever written commercial for all their future products! So yes, we all (BioWare and us) can profit the most from this situation!

I sure would like them to see this on the same way.
If they really do it so, given by the moral ethic that lives within me, my trust in them will remain.
At the end of the day, we are all just humans, humans who make mistakes no matter under what name or color, but mistakes can be repaired, replaced with something even better.
And to be honest, the only thing that can't be fix is actual death.

If they choose death (as death of complete ME franchise which is pretty alive at this moment) as their final statement (in which they can say whatever they want), my moral ethics and my personal character dictates me to go my separate way and find another place where I can find my happiness.

BioWare created Mass Effect and all they got was real Mass Effect. I sure hope that they will see the biggest potential that can be born from this, for the better future.

We are majority and that's it. My hope is that people like me will not stop delivering Bioware our opinions.

At the first place, it was never our intention to begin this fight for something that we find is really needed. It is all BioWare's doing. Don't spread lies, people will finally caught you in them. And what do people do when they are feeling betrayed or riped or scammed or ignored? They make a complain. And if you play mute on that complain? People turn their back on you and discard you pretty fast.

My hope that they will play smarter this time (then in the case of DA2) is real.
Let's wait about the 20th of March and we shall see what the whole world thinks of those horrible endings.

I've spent more than a 1500 hours in my favorite Mass Effect universe. Consider me a fan or something else, but I want them to fix this because I think that I deserve it (just like the majority).

[Salty Specula]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Salty Specula wrote...

plnero wrote...

Salty Specula wrote...


I already want to knife some of the Bioware writers for this **** and since you're gonna come in here and dump this **** on the community, I might as well start with you.

Seriously? I want the endings changed too but do you really need to say something like this? This isn't how you voice an opinion.

Yeah right. So tell me, have you been forced to dump $320 for the three standard games by themselves because of your country's inflated economy? How about dropping another $150 on DLC?

You know, there are people in the world that will kill someone for you for less than $470.

That's absolutely the wrong direction to take this discussion. You could technically get someone to kill someone else for a sandwich, it still doesn't make it right. Bioware made a mistake in an otherwise excellent game, there's no reason to threaten to kill them.

Mistake my ass. You don't make an epic trilogy, 6 years of work and then for the last 5 minutes of it 'accidentally' slip over a banana peel and decide as a group of developers that we're going to make an ending that makes no sense and completely contradicts the rest of the trilogy.

It's a mistake if it was unintentional. It's not a mistake if you have a moment of unanomous retardation where all... What, 300 developers or however many worked on ME3 decided: "LET'S DO SOME RANDOM **** AT THE END". That's not a mistake, that was INTENTIONAL.

And besides, I don't need your stupid ass to step up in an attempt to act as my moral compass. Especially not with a company that gives a **** exclusively about their bottom line and one they have my money for the game, couldn't give two ****s about what I think.

Modifié par Salty Specula, 11 mars 2012 - 09:04 .

[CitizenSnips]

This is the first "controversial" topic that I can honestly say has seemingly almost unanimous agreement on these forums and elsewhere: this ending is ****ing awful.

Modifié par mushoops86anjyl, 11 mars 2012 - 09:06 .

[sunnygsm]

I know people in other forums, everyone so far has said the same things here. People disliked the endings.

[Fat Headed Wolf]

I refuse to believe that anyone who played ME1 and 2 could ever like the ending of 3.

Nope. Nu-uh. Didn't happen. Impossible. No way. I don't think so. Not a chance. Uh.... no.

It was completely out of left field and had little, if anything, to do with the actual plot of the trilogy. The whole time I played ME3 (up to the end) I kept thinking to myself that it was sad that this was going to the only time I could play it for "the first time". After playing the ending.... Ehhh.....