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[NeoGuardian86]

I'm gonna speak for myself for a moment. I come and go and very very rarely ever drop in this forum.

the only reason i came on this forum is

A. it's Bioware forums
B. the endings suck big time. considering they're all basically the same ending.


I even showed it off to some of my other gaming buddies and they were pretty flabbergasted that that is how the series ends. They didn't even play the game, they just now how it's about the characters and choices in each part of the trilogy, all leading up to. that.


I don't think we are the minority on this one. I think we are just vocal about it.

We are so used to games having subpar or outright bad endings that most people come to expect it already.

Only reason people make a big stink about it with games like Mass Effect, Dragon Age and Fallout is because people give a damn about the story as an RPG.

[Harbinger of Hope]

You also don't realize that this small amount of Mass Effect's purchasing base are just the people who have already beat it. The game was only released 5 days ago. Imagine the amount of people who are gonna be pissed when they get around to finally beating it in a week or so. Or the amount of hate that the Japanese and Euros are gonna through out. Just wait and see. More and more people are gonna add into this. This is gonna decimate BioWares bottom line.

[cure1ightwounds]

Archereon wrote...

This is not a statistically significant forum. Hell, I'd rate this forum worse than /v/ in terms of its credibility and how representitive it is of the overall consumer base.

I'd estimate less than .05% of the acutal consumer base is represnted in these polls (and that said .05% is the most fanatical and arguably unreasonable demograph in the consumer base), considering double voting and voting on multiple polls.

Look at me, I can make up statistics on the fly too! I estimate the moon is .05% cheese. This sure is fun.

[ticklefist]

@topic

No.

[Craven1138]

Please, stop feeding troll. Dislike for ending is nearly universal.

[GodChildInTheMachine]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the people who care about sound writing and meaningful choice/consequence relationships are in the minority. That's what humanity is. Why do you think we get movies like Avatar and Transformers?

All the masses care about is sheer emotional impact and cool visuals - all be damned if they ever choose to apply some kind of critical thought process to something, especially if it's supposed to be just mindless entertainment anyway.

That doesn't make it right, it just makes me hate people in large numbers. I don't see anything wrong with a minority of people who are concerned with things like good writing trying to preserve any semblence of quality or thoughtfulness in entertainment, because if they don't ask for it they'll just have to jump on the mass-minded bandwagon and shut their minds off so they can uncritically feel the "vibes".

[Billabong2011]

Tartilus wrote...
Your response to individuals drawing a conclusion from a limited and biased sampling is to draw the opposite conclusion from that same limited and biased sampling?

This. I'm not even going to address the issue within this thread of whether or not we are the minority or majority or whether or not we consider ourselves to be important and entitled, because this core issue as stated above is so glaringly obvious as to overshadow all other arguments.

[Tamcia]

We represent the full population. Every person I talked to was unhappy with the ending. Look at the polls, insignificant minority liked the endings. Last time I checked - if VAST majority of people don't like a product you think they will buy the next thing? Yes, good business plan right here, make everyone depressed and sad and then wonder why no one buys the games anymore.

[funfryfrenzy]

Craven1138 wrote...

Please, stop feeding troll. Dislike for ending is nearly universal.

Indeed. Just seems like hes doing this for the sake of arguement. Doesn't matter though. He DOES have a right to voice his opinion.(even though he talks like he knows everything). Statistically... No one knows...

Evidence is pointing towards majority... But regardless hes just trolling cause he can

[Qutayba]

Yes, it's indeed possible that we're the vocal minority, but it's nearly impossible to accurately gauge that. And I really hope people don't shout down those who actually liked the ending (I can imagine reasons for that), because Bioware should try to keep those people happy, too, if they can.

But unlike so many game releases that create nerd rage for various reasons, this ending has hit people at a deeply personal and psychological level. Even if they don't change anything, Bioware will eventually have to acknowledge it. We LOVE this series, but the endings didn't give an awful lot of us proper catharsis, so we've had to come here and vent with like-minded people. Even if Bioware doesn't change a thing, being able to talk about it here helps.

[killnoob]

Archereon wrote...

I've been seeing all this talk on these forums about how everyone's united in hatred of Mass Effect 3's endings, not just BSN, but a lot of other communities as well...

But I'm afraid that's simply not true.

All those polls and petitions that people have been holding up as evidence for this?

Even if we do not consider people voting in more than one poll, the total number of votes is less than 1% of Mass Effect's total purchasing base.

The ending will NOT be changed for our sake I'm afraid, though I wouldn't be surprised if it gets retconned or hand waved to make room for ME4; EA milks games until they're no longer profitable, and prequels really don't have much room to manuever with the endings being the way they are.

To the rest of the world, the people asking for the endings to be changed are a bunch of sad, basement dwelling, arrogant, entitled fanchildren riding on a mile high horse.

So that's it, the endings are here to stay until ME4 gets greenlit. Can we please move on to complaining about something else?

Edit: I do believe I was a bit unclear about this thread. I meant to say that the people actually calling for the ending to be changed by DLC/patch/retcon are the vocal minority, most players have simply accepted the endings and moved on, and are unlikely to purchase DLC that changes those endings simply because it offers them better endings.

Lol pretty sure we are the "vocal' majority, since there's very little players crying about the ending to stay where they are. And to call us a bunch of sad basement dwelling arrogant children riding on high horse just strengthened my belief you're trying to troll but failing it epically.


EDIT:

actually just realized you've got 7 pages going for ya. (facepalm)

Successful trolling is successful.

Well done.

Modifié par killnoob, 11 mars 2012 - 09:31 .

[fooknar]

@op I've n ever posted on these forums before, I hardly ever visit them my first post was after playing ME3 and actually playing the last mission three times. I came here to find out what the hell the ending was about and if people were just as bemused as me. I know for certain I am not the vocal minority and was part of the silent majority.

As far as basement dwelling goes I actually hardly play anything these days and I probably have a job that pays 3 times what you currently get paid not to mention quite a nice existance out side of work. See even I can make assumptions.

[Eurhetemec]

Archereon wrote...

My response is based on how this community is regarded alongside 4chan as one of the most immature, entitled, and volatile places on the Internet. I've checked on other communities, and fans seem to have resigned themselves to the endings as they are, rather than trying something absolutely crazy like asking BioWare to retcon the endings.

People asking for the endings to be changed may well be the minority.

People disliking the endings? I can't find ANY community where they're anywhere near the minority, so I'm not sure your assumptions make sense. Pretty sure that if you polled all ME3 players about how they felt about the endings, you'd get upwards of 70% fairly strongly disliking them or being significantly disappointed in them. Less than 10% actually liking them. And I mean actual players, not just "people who post on the forums".

Your stuff about people being "resigned" and thus not caring about DLC is nonsense, by the way - people may well not care enough to write a post to BioWare about this, yet be happy to buy/download DLC about it.

[Zhor2395]

fooknar wrote...

@op I've n ever posted on these forums before, I hardly ever visit them my first post was after playing ME3 and actually playing the last mission three times. I came here to find out what the hell the ending was about and if people were just as bemused as me. I know for certain I am not the vocal minority and was part of the silent majority.

As far as basement dwelling goes I actually hardly play anything these days and I probably have a job that pays 3 times what you currently get paid not to mention quite a nice existance out side of work. See even I can make assumptions.

I agree with fooknar.  I don't post as a rule, but i had to find out if i was the only one who didn't like or was bemused by the ending.  Alas, based on all the polls i've seen (and allowing for the possibility of cross voting), people do not like the endings as is.  

One of the things i brought up with a friend who also found the ending options distasteful, is that perhaps these are placebo endings or incomplete owing to the demand to have this game in our mits.  It would not, after all, be the first time something got put on market only 3/4 baked, and til you step into the light, the game was very awesome.  Like EDI said, And then, the magic was gone.

In my skim of the threadnoughts (EVE online term there), most seem to want more endings, rather then just sunshine and bunny endings.  Personally i started at one point to get dreadful feeling that shepard's reanimation process wasn't as successful and he was on borrowed time.  For the 3% who liked the ending, well cool for you! I'm glad it worked for you, but try to see things from our side and how we might not be as satisfied with the branches availible.

[Texhnolyze101]

Archereon wrote...

Gigerstreak wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

And that is what the rest of the Internet sees you as.


I don't presume to judge about anyone doing something crazy like asking for a new ending for this game, I'm just pointing out that the vast, vast, majority of the Internet seems to have accepted the endings for what they are (bad), and moved on, rather than putting up such a huge resistance to them.

When you do nothing but accept garbage than be prepared to receive garbage every.single.time

[Hizuka]

Zhor2395 wrote...

In my skim of the threadnoughts

Bioware would freak if the threadnaught landed.

Fofofo.

[Necroscope]

I don't care if I'm in "vocal minority", majority or some other crap-pity. I'm gonna keep pushing on anyway.

[Primalrose]

I get that alot of people here are mad at the endings, but I think how alot of people react here is very immature and almost pathetic. It's like Bioware away their house, killed their family and fired them from their job all at once! Alot of people also seem to completely forget just how much the game has improved from ME2. The story is better, the combat is the best iteration yet and I haven't felt so emotionally engaged in characters or story in a long time.

[NeoVassal]

I thought I was the minority until I went to work today and all the guys ran up to me and started ranting about the Mass Effect 3 ending. We ranted for almost 2 hours as we stocked, our managers thought we were insane.

Modifié par NeoVassal, 11 mars 2012 - 10:34 .

[Dae0]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Phydeaux314 wrote...

If you want to be technical, only about 0.31% of the player base has voted on the issue in the polls that are kicking around, and about 0.3% feel that the ending needs to be redone. The game has sold three and a half million copies so far - and the poll requesting a change has about eleven thousand votes.

And that's only on this forum. That majority of owners likely aren't even on this forum.

First, if you're comparing the 15k votes to the total sales, then the percentage present would actually be a lot smaller than 0.3%. Regardless, I agree with KainrycKarr, in that a direct comparison would be meaningless because it doesn't take into account:

-the customers whom dislike the game, but decide to dump or resell it rather than complain.
-the customers that decide not to complain because they feel they are already adequately voiced.
-the customers that have not yet found these forums.

Now to play devil's advocate:
I also believe that the polls done onsite are also just as meaningless for one primary reason: That  a significant number of users have flocked to this site for the sole purpose of complaining (as I did).


I predict that Bioware will ignore any complaints on this or any other forum because the guys in corporate will find the sample provided to be skewed. They will not even consider correcting the issues unless sales on the first dlc fall far below projections.

Should we receive any kind of corrections or additions to the endings prior to the first dlc, they will most likely be due to the good will of Bioware alone (as corporate is going to think with their pocket book).

I hope all my predictions are wrong...

[Total Biscuit]

cure1ightwounds wrote...

Archereon wrote...

This is not a statistically significant forum. Hell, I'd rate this forum worse than /v/ in terms of its credibility and how representitive it is of the overall consumer base.

I'd estimate less than .05% of the acutal consumer base is represnted in these polls (and that said .05% is the most fanatical and arguably unreasonable demograph in the consumer base), considering double voting and voting on multiple polls.

Look at me, I can make up statistics on the fly too! I estimate the moon is .05% cheese. This sure is fun.

An actual statistic is that the overwhelming majority of people prefer happy endings. Literally 95%+ of adults, and well over 90%+ of typically angsty teens. Which you would think would be obvious, but apparently not to Bioware when they were deciding who they should make their target audience for this series overall with the culmination.

Not that the tiny minority of people who like sad endings are wrong mind, just unusual, and not the kind of people a major blockbuster game should be trying to exclusively leave satisfied at the end of a trilogy where everything up to the last 10 minutes had been aimed squarely at and loved by the other 95% of the human race.

This even matches up with the ratios on the polls out there. It really should have been obvious to Bioware that this was not going to be enjoyable to most of their customers.

[dragg44]

A company should be concerned when any percentage of it's consumer population is dissatisfied with it's product.

Business 101: for every "vocal" dissatisfied consumer there are several more who will simply stop purchasing the company's product. They won't voice their anger or return the product . . . they simply stop.

Business 102: Each dissatisfied consumer will tell 10 other people about their negative experience. Now it's a fun game (except the end) but I've already told over 10 gamers that the endings are bleak and if they are vested in the characters then they may want to rethink about purchasing the product. At least 12 of them are waiting to see if anything changes before they make the purchase.

The reality is that a business learns more from negative responses than positive ones and ignoring or not learning from them is a quick way to lose some of your customer base. From my perspective, I've decided that I can't trust Bioware products to gut punch me with this type of game again . . . so no more business from me. Also, there is absolutely no reason for me to buy any more DLC since the ending was so horribly sad that any "inbetween" storyline is pointless and a reminder that my beloved Shepard is a dead body buried in rubble and the Normandy crew is magically stranded on a planet.