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[Sgt Stryker]

iAmWhitey wrote...

I play with turtle beaches, and i hear everything, background noises and stuff.

There is a definite hum on the ship. Not engine noise.
It increases with intensity and changes as the game goes on. It is at its loudest after you take the cerberus base. Like annoyingly loud, its not just the normandy engines.
It was giving me a headache so I had to go around the ship with the volume turned most of the way down.

"It's in the FRAKKIN' SHIP!"

Seriously though, I just loaded two different saves on board the Normandy, one right after the first trip to the Citadel and the second right after the Cerberus base. I couldn't notice any significant differences between the background noises, and I have good headphones too.

[Voriax]

iAmWhitey wrote...

I play with turtle beaches, and i hear everything, background noises and stuff.

There is a definite hum on the ship. Not engine noise.
It increases with intensity and changes as the game goes on. It is at its loudest after you take the cerberus base. Like annoyingly loud, its not just the normandy engines.
It was giving me a headache so I had to go around the ship with the volume turned most of the way down.

well perhaps its gets stronger when it gets closer to the cerebus base because perhaps the main signal is comming from there also it seems a bit odd that shepard remains immune to the indortination the whole three games as he is close to reaper teach

[Mathy16]

I still think it is the Prothean-sphere-ball-thing you got in the Firewalker Pack in ME2. But I can't find it anywhere.

[sedrikhcain]

DrowNoble wrote...

Well the indoctrination theory is nice and all but it's not what is happening. I think some people are just trying desperately to justify the god awful ending Bioware threw at us.

THISX1,000,000!!!

It truly is a fascinating study in the psychology of crowds. You have an element of a fanbase that is so turned off by an ending that they simply reject the reality of it outright and then proceed, umprompted, to RETCON THE ENTIRE TRILOGY in order to bend, twist and mold what they saw at the end of the last installment into something that makes sense and that their minds can accept.

Incredible, just incredible! I've said it before but there is an award-winning research paper in this for some enterprising psych student.

[sedrikhcain]

iAmWhitey wrote...

I play with turtle beaches, and i hear everything, background noises and stuff.

There is a definite hum on the ship. Not engine noise.
It increases with intensity and changes as the game goes on. It is at its loudest after you take the cerberus base. Like annoyingly loud, its not just the normandy engines.
It was giving me a headache so I had to go around the ship with the volume turned most of the way down.

I play with headphones on, pumping sound in stereo and I don't know what you're talking about. You sure it's not just in your own head?

man, some of the support for indoctrination theory is really starting to sound like tinfoil-hat stuff.

[Craigolas]

ALL DETAILS from ME1, ME2 and ME3 conversations is RELEVANT! One thing a script writer learns is that only important details are communicated which all deal with the plot at hand. In other words, there is no detail that was unimportant. Everything was a clue to a bigger piece of the plot. So that is why, when we ended the game, almost everything we 'learned' seemed irrelevant and hence why I don't think this was the end in the first place.

[Craigolas]

sedrikhcain wrote...

DrowNoble wrote...

Well the indoctrination theory is nice and all but it's not what is happening. I think some people are just trying desperately to justify the god awful ending Bioware threw at us.

THISX1,000,000!!!

It truly is a fascinating study in the psychology of crowds. You have an element of a fanbase that is so turned off by an ending that they simply reject the reality of it outright and then proceed, umprompted, to RETCON THE ENTIRE TRILOGY in order to bend, twist and mold what they saw at the end of the last installment into something that makes sense and that their minds can accept.

Incredible, just incredible! I've said it before but there is an award-winning research paper in this for some enterprising psych student.

All evidence shows that we are battling indoctrination. From Saren, the collectors, TIM, etc. It is the central theme of a personal battle against the Reapers. Even the Rachni Queen (who resisted the song of the Reapers) talks abouts it! There is definitely something to the indoctrination theory, it isn't a pyschological thing. It is what the writers REPEAT over and over!

Modifié par Craigolas, 25 mars 2012 - 09:37 .

[sedrikhcain]

No, actually, there isn't anything to indoctrination theory. It's wishful thinking on your part. The story gives very specific info about how indoctrination happens, and Shepard's experience does not fit this at all.

[GhostRonin]

DrowNoble wrote...

Well the indoctrination theory is nice and all but it's not what is happening. I think some people are just trying desperately to justify the god awful ending Bioware threw at us.

There are only 2 ways to get indoctrinated: Reaper implants or close prolonged exposure to a Reaper.

There is something your over looking here with that one statement... did you not play the ME2 DLC Arrival...? in that dlc is showed how just reaper tech can make you become Indoctrinated from just being close to it... im not a fan of the ending ether but with that DLC info they can possably change the engin in this fashion if they are truely going to change it at all...

[ashwind]

That is why, when you want to stop another Shuttle, you should use the weapon systems and fire upon the said Shuttle instead of ramming into it.

Mr. Vega needs a medical check up.

[Voriax]

perhaps the normandy has reaper tech in it that would explain why the space magic gun had such a devastating effect on the normandy

[demonss]

There is a lot of things that point to indoctrination, from the oily shadows disclosed by the rachni, to the humming on the ship certain people here. The audio ques throughout the game play into that ideal too.

i'm on my second playthrough now and i notice Javik in the from ashes dlc comments (after touchign shepard) how he can read his/her mind adn sees much anxiety and somethign else.. and then says "the reapers are winning." I don't think that's a statement of the reapers are winning the war on earth, as much as a tell of the reapers are winning within shepards mind.

If the theories are wrong and it's not planned, well then that's a shame, but there is a lot of evidence and repeating themes that seem to suggest otherwise.
I was disappointed in the ending.  If the indoctrination theory is all just somehow fits into the plot holes bioware made.. then that sucks..

But averaging 30 hours a play through, I can't imagine that bioware could craft 89 hours of intricately intertwined story and then seemingly phone it in at the end..
I firmly believe that in this regard the last part was intentionally made the way it was specifically to start spark discussion, and there has ALWAYS been something else planned (even if bioware wasn't admitting it).

Modifié par demonss, 26 mars 2012 - 01:42 .

[humes spork]

Look, I say this and started this thread without affirming or denying indoctrination theory. That's on each individual player's head to decide, because until there's official, conclusive word from on high it's up to interpretation. Lots of speculation for everyone and all. Now, the final hours app did include information one of the earlier trajectories of the endgame was that Shepard did end up indoctrinated which was dropped as a plotline due to mechanical issues.

My original point in creating this thread was that I noticed that line of dialogue from Vega and given his character and developers' commentary regarding him, it would be highly irregular of BW to add that dialogue for it to have just gone nowhere considering foreshadowing through facially minor dialogue is kind of their thing. Perhaps it was indicative of an underlying theme, perhaps it was indicative of a dropped plot arc (as it seems to be in light of the final hours app), perhaps it even indicative of some larger truth behind the endings or maybe it was indicative of a side quest.

Regardless, I just wanted to see if anyone's experiences with the game had anything coming of it. It struck me as highly irregular and I wanted to get the word out that's in the game and see if anyone noticed anything else. My intention was not to start on a debate on indoctrination theory, which while I can certainly understand why people would leap to that conclusion regarding this thread it still remains slightly outside its purview.

[demonss]

humes spork wrote...

Look, I say this and started this thread without affirming or denying indoctrination theory. That's on each individual player's head to decide, because until there's official, conclusive word from on high it's up to interpretation. Lots of speculation for everyone and all. Now, the final hours app did include information one of the earlier trajectories of the endgame was that Shepard did end up indoctrinated which was dropped as a plotline due to mechanical issues.

My original point in creating this thread was that I noticed that line of dialogue from Vega and given his character and developers' commentary regarding him, it would be highly irregular of BW to add that dialogue for it to have just gone nowhere considering foreshadowing through facially minor dialogue is kind of their thing. Perhaps it was indicative of an underlying theme, perhaps it was indicative of a dropped plot arc (as it seems to be in light of the final hours app), perhaps it even indicative of some larger truth behind the endings or maybe it was indicative of a side quest.

Regardless, I just wanted to see if anyone's experiences with the game had anything coming of it. It struck me as highly irregular and I wanted to get the word out that's in the game and see if anyone noticed anything else. My intention was not to start on a debate on indoctrination theory, which while I can certainly understand why people would leap to that conclusion regarding this thread it still remains slightly outside its purview.

I noticed his comment too, i'd be interested in knowing the intent.  Unfortuantely your thread is likely to lead to indoctrination theory discussion based on what it's questioning.

That being said, the after hours app, I saw that.. Is it worth buying?
What kinds of stuff are part of the app? 

[humes spork]

demonss wrote...

That being said, the after hours app, I saw that.. Is it worth buying?
What kinds of stuff are part of the app? 

Well, it's not worth buying...but it's worth a read...

I'm not suggesting to pirate it, but if someone you know has it it's definitely worth a once-through. It's basically the same kind of stuff you'd expect from a "making of" extra/documentary on a movie DVD.

Modifié par humes spork, 26 mars 2012 - 03:53 .

[Voriax]

It was first reported to Commander Shepard by farmers on Eden Prime, who claimed there was a horrible noise coming from Sovereign as it descended.

just picked this piece from mass effect wiki this sounds alot like vega complaining about the hum in the normandy

[Sgt Stryker]

ashwind wrote...

That is why, when you want to stop another Shuttle, you should use the weapon systems and fire upon the said Shuttle instead of ramming into it.

Mr. Vega needs a medical check up.

Shooting the shuttle down could have destroyed the Cerberus bot, taking the prothean archive data with it.

[mikx82]

yep! heard Vega mention the hum - i got PX5s on and i can hear the hum on the Normandy - just chalked it up to engine/mechanical hum - but this thread has piqued my interest XP

[Galatean]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

ashwind wrote...

That is why, when you want to stop another Shuttle, you should use the weapon systems and fire upon the said Shuttle instead of ramming into it.

Mr. Vega needs a medical check up.

Shooting the shuttle down could have destroyed the Cerberus bot, taking the prothean archive data with it.

Yes, becaues ramming it so hard that it crashes and bursts into flames is so much safer for the data...<_<

[JaegerBane]

Voriax wrote...

It was first reported to Commander Shepard by farmers on Eden Prime, who claimed there was a horrible noise coming from Sovereign as it descended.

just picked this piece from mass effect wiki this sounds alot like vega complaining about the hum in the normandy

*scratches head*

How does this sound like Vega mentioning a hum? They described it as if something was screaming inside their heads - the shriek of the damned, I think was their own words. How do we go from that to just a hum?

If the argument was that there was possibly something like the Conduit on board, okay, I could see where that connection would come from... but here? It sounds more like people trying to make links that aren't there.

Galatean wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Shooting the shuttle down could have destroyed the Cerberus bot, taking the prothean archive data with it.

Yes, becaues ramming it so hard that it crashes and bursts into flames is so much safer for the data...[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Not really sure what else he could have done. He either blasts it out of the sky, or lets it go, or rams it and tries to shunt it back down onto the pad. Personally, even if I didn't already know how it would have turned out, he made the best decision.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 26 mars 2012 - 09:36 .

[Voriax]

[quote]JaegerBane wrote...

[quote]Voriax wrote...

It was first reported to Commander Shepard by farmers on Eden Prime, who claimed there was a horrible noise coming from Sovereign as it descended.

just picked this piece from mass effect wiki this sounds alot like vega complaining about the hum in the normandy
[/quote]

*scratches head*

How does this sound like Vega mentioning a hum? They described it as if something was screaming inside their heads - the shriek of the damned, I think was their own words. How do we go from that to just a hum?

If the argument was that there was possibly something like the Conduit on board, okay, I could see where that connection would come from... but here? It sounds more like people trying to make links that aren't there.

ow then i am sorry just read that part and it reminded me of the hum vega heard saying it was giving him a headache but it could be its not so srong as sovereign but perhaps ya right my bad:blush:

[Galatean]

JaegerBane wrote...

Galatean wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Shooting the shuttle down could have destroyed the Cerberus bot, taking the prothean archive data with it.

Yes, becaues ramming it so hard that it crashes and bursts into flames is so much safer for the data...[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Not really sure what else he could have done. He either blasts it out of the sky, or lets it go, or rams it and tries to shunt it back down onto the pad. Personally, even if I didn't already know how it would have turned out, he made the best decision.

True, I'm just saying that none of the options were exactly safe for the data, and all of them were very risky.

[PluralAces]

I never even talked to Vega, he was completely useless...

[luzburg]

it might be indoctrination. but since you are near an engine room and other devices that generates electrick and mechanical sounds and younger pepole (vega) can hear more sound frequencys than older pepole (shepard). i think that shepard is older

anyway i worked in a nitic acid and fertilizer plant and i culd hear alot of hums that older pepole culnt hear.

[Fresh Bamboo]

This might be really really far-fetched,

but what if Bioware had Kaidan talk about the hum on the citadel conduit in ME1, to foreshadow indoctrination near the conduit in ME3?