Its that we were lied to. We were told that we had nearly countless endings influenced by everything we had done up to this point. We were told that the results would differ wildly, some would be happy some would be sad. In reality, we were given one ending with three slight variations. And nothing we had done to that point mattered.
We were given a series based on character development, yet given no resolution to the characters.
We were given a universe with rich lore and histories, only to have the end tear open major plot holes.
We were given a story where the base theme was moral dilemma, where no action was black and white and there are always shades of grey. But as it turns out, it is black and white. Organic=good, synthetic=bad.
We expected the crown jewel in the Mass Effect experience, something that we could wave saying "See, Bioware knows how to tell a story" but instead we got contrived endings that came out of nowhere and don't fit.
Its not that they were bad endings. Its that they werent Mass Effect.
Its not that the endings are bad...
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 02:29
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Yeah thats about right. What confused me was the tone shifting so much. The whole game keeps saying everyones probably going to die and I was fine with that. But then on earth when you talk to your squad they pump you up by make it sound like living with a happy ending is a option.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 02:30
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Mtich wrote...
Yeah thats about right. What confused me was the tone shifting so much. The whole game keeps saying everyones probably going to die and I was fine with that. But then on earth when you talk to your squad they pump you up by make it sound like living with a happy ending is a option.
Uhg, that is what breaks my heart the most. I told kaidan I would come back to him, but I couldn't. I told everyone I was coming back. Why even build this up for us if you are just going to make it impossible to see your crew ever again, even if you live?
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 02:31
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Adamantium93 wrote...
Its that we were lied to. We were told that we had nearly countless endings influenced by everything we had done up to this point. We were told that the results would differ wildly, some would be happy some would be sad. In reality, we were given one ending with three slight variations. And nothing we had done to that point mattered.
We were given a series based on character development, yet given no resolution to the characters.
We were given a universe with rich lore and histories, only to have the end tear open major plot holes.
We were given a story where the base theme was moral dilemma, where no action was black and white and there are always shades of grey. But as it turns out, it is black and white. Organic=good, synthetic=bad.
We expected the crown jewel in the Mass Effect experience, something that we could wave saying "See, Bioware knows how to tell a story" but instead we got contrived endings that came out of nowhere and don't fit.
Its not that they were bad endings. Its that they werent Mass Effect.
agreed.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 02:33
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YES. I love you. And yes.Adamantium93 wrote...
Its that we were lied to. We were told that we had nearly countless endings influenced by everything we had done up to this point. We were told that the results would differ wildly, some would be happy some would be sad. In reality, we were given one ending with three slight variations. And nothing we had done to that point mattered.
Its not that they were bad endings. Its that they werent Mass Effect.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 02:33
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It's not that it's a black and white "Good Guy Bad guy" issue.
The problem isn't even the endings really. It's that there is not "Good" ending. None of them are good. No matter which choice you make, you destroy galactic civilization, kill god only knows how many people, blow up multiple star systems, and then you die.
That's the problem. There is no "Good" ending.
If anything the three ending should be in a tier system with a 4th at the top.
Worst Performance: Destroy ending
Ok Performance: Control Ending
Good Ending: Synthesis
Best: Happy Ending.
The problem isn't even the endings really. It's that there is not "Good" ending. None of them are good. No matter which choice you make, you destroy galactic civilization, kill god only knows how many people, blow up multiple star systems, and then you die.
That's the problem. There is no "Good" ending.
If anything the three ending should be in a tier system with a 4th at the top.
Worst Performance: Destroy ending
Ok Performance: Control Ending
Good Ending: Synthesis
Best: Happy Ending.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 02:35
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I don't know, that catalyst plot is just plain awful.
But yes, they did take away choice. I felt like all my choices didn't matter and I was just following auto-dialogue Shepard's (AKA Mac Walters' Shepard) story.
But yes, they did take away choice. I felt like all my choices didn't matter and I was just following auto-dialogue Shepard's (AKA Mac Walters' Shepard) story.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 02:36
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Yes we were lied too. Plenty of Dev Posts that have been re-hashed to confirm it. The, "We won't be pigeonholed into a single ending" comment comes to mind. The entire time I'm thinking of the Vanilla Ice issue where he insists his song didn't copy Queen's with an extra "ding".
In this case, the extra ding is a squad mate dying instead of waiting to die five minutes later.
In this case, the extra ding is a squad mate dying instead of waiting to die five minutes later.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 02:36
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Yeap spot on OP.
It is a pity because I otherwise enjoyed the game.
phil
It is a pity because I otherwise enjoyed the game.
phil
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 02:37
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No, they are bad. That's the problem.
I fought for galactic civilization for 3 games and it turns out in the end none of my decisions mattered in the grand scheme. It was doomed either way.
*when i say galactic civilization i mean not life itself, but the civilization that depends on the relays and knows nothing else.
I fought for galactic civilization for 3 games and it turns out in the end none of my decisions mattered in the grand scheme. It was doomed either way.
*when i say galactic civilization i mean not life itself, but the civilization that depends on the relays and knows nothing else.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 02:38
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Adamantium93 wrote...
Its that we were lied to. We were told that we had nearly countless endings influenced by everything we had done up to this point. We were told that the results would differ wildly, some would be happy some would be sad. In reality, we were given one ending with three slight variations. And nothing we had done to that point mattered.
Agreed if we actually got sixteen different endings like we were told I gurantee much of the ending hate would be eliminated. Instead we got one ending with three different light colors.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 03:30
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Shepard doesn't die in every ending. In my ending he was shown to still be alive after the signal was sent through and destroyed the mass relays. 4500EMS, chose destruction. Just thought I'd let you know.Avissel wrote...
The problem isn't even the endings really. It's that there is not "Good" ending. None of them are good. No matter which choice you make, you destroy galactic civilization, kill god only knows how many people, blow up multiple star systems, and then you die.
Worst Performance: Destroy ending
Ok Performance: Control Ending
Good Ending: Synthesis
Best: Happy Ending.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 03:33
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No, it IS because the endings are bad, maybe not to everyone, but the outrage far outweighs the support clearly.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 03:38
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I agree with you, but I also think the endings are bad. I imagine the topic of transhumanism and AIs also came up long before 2157........ there is no way those two issues took that long to develop..
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 03:45
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Yeah, it wasn't the endings for me, it was how out of place they were, they belong in a more linear RPG then Mass Effect, or some thing that has followed the Mr. God Starkid, those endings weren't Mass Effect.
Mass Effect, like just about every thoughtful game, or piece of entertainment, had a theme. The way I interpreted that theme was this "Hope, and hard work can prevail in the most desperate of situations." but in ten minutes it was crushed, it was twisted into "No matter what, you can't change destiny, even though you have an illusion of choice in life, you can't change it it in the end." That. That complete recon of the theme of a story that I loved, because for me, theme was very central in Mass Effect, was what killed the game, I wouldn't have cared if Shepard had died, if it was done sworn to the lore, as a choice for rushing through the game, or if it still conveyed the theme, but it.. it just did not compute.
Mass Effect, like just about every thoughtful game, or piece of entertainment, had a theme. The way I interpreted that theme was this "Hope, and hard work can prevail in the most desperate of situations." but in ten minutes it was crushed, it was twisted into "No matter what, you can't change destiny, even though you have an illusion of choice in life, you can't change it it in the end." That. That complete recon of the theme of a story that I loved, because for me, theme was very central in Mass Effect, was what killed the game, I wouldn't have cared if Shepard had died, if it was done sworn to the lore, as a choice for rushing through the game, or if it still conveyed the theme, but it.. it just did not compute.
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