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Group Therapy: The many issues of Mass Effect 3 (Ending)


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BrandonDotCom

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Everyone post your concerns about the ending of Mass Effect 3.  Describe what you disliked. Offer ways the the ending could have been improved. Don't worry everyone, despite what Bioware wants us to believe, we are all in this together.

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Evil_medved

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Quoting people:

1. What I found annoying about that is that TIM
apparently went out of his way to place a kill-order on Kelly, the
slightly goofy, super-optimistic ship's counselor, but during the
Sanctuary bit, he's constantly telling Leng not to bother with Miranda,
who is an actual threat, unless she actively interferes.

2/ How did Liara magicly teleport onto the Normandy after getting
pewpewed by the giant reaper with me in London? Did Joker say screw the
battle in space, fly down in between two giant reapers, and pick up
Liara? How did he pick up Liara when the Normandy's shuttle was shot
down at the start of the London mission? On that note...

3. Why
is the Normandy flying away from the Sol system - wasnt there a battle
for the fate of the galaxy or something like that going on over there?

4..
If the boss of all reapers is inside the citadel, how could a virus
developed by the team of prothean scientists (ME1) effect the keepers
and prevent the "signal for invasion" from being sent. Shouldnt this
silly little beam of light child be aware of this? Isnt the citadel
essentially a reaper?

5. If all the fleets of the galactic
civilizations are in the Sol system and the relay system is destroyed
wouldnt everyone simply die from starvation in a few months? They lack
the speed to travel to other solar systems in a timely manner, and there
is presumably no food on earth since it just got pwned by repears -
which i dont think many of the other races can eat anyways.

6. In
ME2 DLC Arrival I blew up a relay and it resulted in the entire solar
system being wiped out (as well as me getting kicked out of the
military). If every single relay were to be destroyed wouldnt all life
in each solar system where the relay is stationed be wiped out (asari,
krogan, turian, human)? And finally...

7. If 1 relay exploding
causes a solar system to be wiped out, wouldnt the destruction of the
citadel (the mother of all relays) result in a much bigger boom? When
the citadel is destroyed it is in orbit around the earth - at the very
least shouldnt earth be destroyed?

8. How Shepard survives explosion of citadel and falls on Earth from space alive?

Modifié par Evil_medved, 11 mars 2012 - 02:52 .


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John Locke N7

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It wasnt relevant to any other part of the game AT ALL

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1. He doesn't issue a kill order. Her name is on a list of Cerberus defectors and she's shot on sight by the Cerberus invaders to the Citadel.

Everything else...I got nothing. A wizard did it.

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Can you guys just PLEASE DLC another god danged ending!?!? I'd pay
$20 for it without question!

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Whats so significant about the jungle planet the Normandy lands on with the future stargazer character in comparison to any other planet after the war? And Im still confused about the extent of the mass relays explosions. Im pretty sure they didnt kill all life like in arrival, because otherwise the God child wouldnt have stressed the geth specifically dying in the red ending.

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I don't mind a dark ending with massive destruction, but the fact we had no choice in it was dissapointing. I especially didn't like that my FemShep built up this relationship with Kaidan and now he's stranded somewhere with Joker and Garrus. I would have liked if at the end Shep survives on a good ending and gets to at least be with Kaidan.

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Essentially, my biggest problem is that Shepard gave up.
That's the only way I can describe it.
My Shepard. The woman who faced down Saren. Who spat in the Illusive Man's face, blew his precious Collector Base to hell and said we'd fight the Reapers on our own terms... gave up. Compromised.

She met the devil, and did his bidding. And the galaxy screamed.

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You know you might need therapy when...

You replay DA 2 because it's ending is better, LOL! I say that half in jest; really, I was so completely depressed and disappointed by ME 3's end, I had to go do something that could make me feel good afterward. I did all the endings and finally settled on the synthesis one, but the whole thing just felt so hollow, like I really hadn't managed to do anything worthwhile, you know.

So I put DA 2 in and ran around Kirkwall with Varric and Isabella. LOL, it made me feel a little better :D

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Why does Joker, who has such brittle bones, crashes all over the universe and NEVER breaks anything, damn he walks out of the Normandy like nothing happened...just saying.

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Evil_medved wrote...

4..
If the boss of all reapers is inside the citadel, how could a virus
developed by the team of prothean scientists (ME1) effect the keepers
and prevent the "signal for invasion" from being sent. Shouldnt this
silly little beam of light child be aware of this? Isnt the citadel
essentially a reaper?


Even more, why would the reapers even need to signal the keepers.
The child could've open the citadel relay when the time was right
for the reapers to invade. No need for Sovereign and Saren to go to the
citadel to activate the relay or even for 
Sovereign to stay behind

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Evil_medved wrote...

Quoting people:

1. What I found annoying about that is that TIM
apparently went out of his way to place a kill-order on Kelly, the
slightly goofy, super-optimistic ship's counselor, but during the
Sanctuary bit, he's constantly telling Leng not to bother with Miranda,
who is an actual threat, unless she actively interferes.

2/ How did Liara magicly teleport onto the Normandy after getting
pewpewed by the giant reaper with me in London? Did Joker say screw the
battle in space, fly down in between two giant reapers, and pick up
Liara? How did he pick up Liara when the Normandy's shuttle was shot
down at the start of the London mission? On that note...

3. Why
is the Normandy flying away from the Sol system - wasnt there a battle
for the fate of the galaxy or something like that going on over there?

4..
If the boss of all reapers is inside the citadel, how could a virus
developed by the team of prothean scientists (ME1) effect the keepers
and prevent the "signal for invasion" from being sent. Shouldnt this
silly little beam of light child be aware of this? Isnt the citadel
essentially a reaper?

5. If all the fleets of the galactic
civilizations are in the Sol system and the relay system is destroyed
wouldnt everyone simply die from starvation in a few months? They lack
the speed to travel to other solar systems in a timely manner, and there
is presumably no food on earth since it just got pwned by repears -
which i dont think many of the other races can eat anyways.

6. In
ME2 DLC Arrival I blew up a relay and it resulted in the entire solar
system being wiped out (as well as me getting kicked out of the
military). If every single relay were to be destroyed wouldnt all life
in each solar system where the relay is stationed be wiped out (asari,
krogan, turian, human)? And finally...

7. If 1 relay exploding
causes a solar system to be wiped out, wouldnt the destruction of the
citadel (the mother of all relays) result in a much bigger boom? When
the citadel is destroyed it is in orbit around the earth - at the very
least shouldnt earth be destroyed?

8. How Shepard survives explosion of citadel and falls on Earth from space alive?


+1 to 1-4 of this

Also, bigger problem is that there is no epilogue, there is no closure.  The games take hundreds of hours and make you feel tremendous attachment to all of these characters and groups and then essentially doesnt tell you anything about how things end for most of them. 

It's bioware's story and I dont have as much as a problem with how they want to end it from a narrative perspective, my problem is that they have to end the damn story and give some closure, which they at no point do.

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What has been stated above. How does your LI like Liara who is on earth get on the Normandy and how does the Normandy end up in a hyperspace tunnel while in the middle of a battle against the reapers?

This reeks of plot holes and the endings... How in the hell did they come up with 7 different flavors of endings and not one of them even remotely good?

Seriously what others have stated and my own anger on top of that.

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I don't even want to play my second Shepard because a) she will die a greusome death no matter what, and B) Liara won't even recognize that they rekindled the romance after ME2. My canon Shepard's Li died, and if I want a new one, the only decent option will make her shower with her clothes on.

UGH. This game would have been excellent with more variety in the endings.

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Novinha yeah the whole shower scene with Traynor was stupid. Showering in bra and panties, Shepard going into the shower with clothing on. No one does that. The only character in the game that has no clothing on at all in Mass Effect during the romance scenes is Liara.

Seriously the game would have been better with the variety of endings and they should have made the romance scenes more realistic for the shower scene with Traynor and the romance scenes with the women. Sure they could have the bra/panties off during the actual love making but kept the naughty bits hidden artistically speaking like they did in ME1 then put on the bra/panties sometime in the night before waking up. Either way though... this game blowed in many area's especially the endings.

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Where did my choices matter...NOWHERE....I got a couple of emails,
Shep gave up....and I am going to play Skyrim....I can't even think of going through this game again with this unbelievable ending...

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The writing/action in this game died in the last moments much like it did in Uncharted 3. I can't tell if the original writer left and a newbie took over, they were over budget and had to finish no matter what to get the game out to make money or they really had no idea how to end the game. I don't mind my having to sacrifice to save the galaxy as I figured I would have to do that about half way through the game, but not knowing what happens to my crew, earth, the armada and the galaxy is in inexcusable. Too many loose ends and logical gaps....

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Variety of endings, that's what they have done up to this point. I just don't get it.

It goes along with the whole anti-community creation thing they are doing: preventing fans from creating their own mods and add-ons, and now inhibiting us from creating fanfiction.

It's ridiculous. Bioware makes games about choice...until ME3

Modifié par NovinhaShepard, 11 mars 2012 - 04:57 .


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damn another thread about the ME3 endings i know its really bad

i agree with NovinhaShepard this is BS everyone has waited a long time for this game wtf BW

the lack of choices and how the game plays out is amazing

Modifié par foundfukedup, 11 mars 2012 - 05:33 .


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The ending felt like a punch in the gut instead of a satisfying sigh.

My corny/cheesy as hell that I would've loved:
Shepard is the only one that can activate the Crucible because it requires the cipher. The Crucible sends out a dark matter signal through out the galaxy (utilising mass relays) systematically destroying/shutting down the reapers, a fail safe in the Crucible is activated after the doom signal is sent, a contingency placed by the Protheans so no other race could misuse this weapon and turn harnessed dark matter against them. Shepard then has a chance for final words on the comm to Hackett (and anyone else listening):
a) Remain silent, die with dignity knowing the galaxy is saved
B) Rousing last words
c) Bitter last words
d) Crying for help
e) Saying farewells, one last bitter goodbye with LI
f) Cut short by the Crucible's self destruction, while in the middle of saying any of the above

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The Angry One wrote...

Essentially, my biggest problem is that Shepard gave up.
That's the only way I can describe it.
My Shepard. The woman who faced down Saren. Who spat in the Illusive Man's face, blew his precious Collector Base to hell and said we'd fight the Reapers on our own terms... gave up. Compromised.

She met the devil, and did his bidding. And the galaxy screamed.


This. The Shepard I played wouldn't have given up no matter what.