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[Lumicko]

Isnt it boring just spam Charge Nova Charge Nova ?.. I think it is Im thinking aboout Asari Heavy Meele With Full Fitness for Meele dmg ( MP ) it should be good what u think?

[FFLB]

Lumicko wrote...

Isnt it boring just spam Charge Nova Charge Nova ?.. I think it is Im thinking aboout Asari Heavy Meele With Full Fitness for Meele dmg ( MP ) it should be good what u think?

It's not boring, but it can be tiring due to the concentration that may be required to stay alive at times. Especially when you're in the midst of 4-5 enemies and trying to take them all out. Alternating your fingers between 1 and 3, then moving back to the WASD+Spacebar to dodge attacks, tracking enemies with the mouse, and also firing a few shots inbetween all of that. Instead of sitting back and picking off enemies, it starts to feel like Street Fighter or something.

You might as well try out that build. You should probably put the other points into Stasis Bubble to help you out a bit more.

[Lumicko]

FFLB wrote...

Lumicko wrote...

Isnt it boring just spam Charge Nova Charge Nova ?.. I think it is Im thinking aboout Asari Heavy Meele With Full Fitness for Meele dmg ( MP ) it should be good what u think?

It's not boring, but it can be tiring due to the concentration that may be required to stay alive at times. Especially when you're in the midst of 4-5 enemies and trying to take them all out. Alternating your fingers between 1 and 3, then moving back to the WASD+Spacebar to dodge attacks, tracking enemies with the mouse, and also firing a few shots inbetween all of that. Instead of sitting back and picking off enemies, it starts to feel like Street Fighter or something.

You might as well try out that build. You should probably put the other points into Stasis Bubble to help you out a bit more.

Ok thx ill try both.. Btw please how i can reset the points after confirm? I missed in my salarian infiltrator 3 points

[PapVogel]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

PapVogel wrote...

Worst thing about vanguards is the apparent IQ it takes to play one, alot of vanguards are so used to owning up the place and getting all the kills, that yesterday, on 3 occasions, i had vanguards ragequit my game when they saw that the lvl 6 quarian infiltrator was getting more points than them... I mean...c'mon its a bloody coop game!

I really like this generalization you make, saying Vanguards are played by stupid people. This is obviously not sarcasm, because as a Vanguard lover, I am too stupid for sarcasm.

And I have totally not seen any improportionally dumb playing from other classes, it is obviously that only Vanguards are dumb people, or by reverse logic, which I obviously can't indulge in, as the quoted user stated, I am far too stupid for that, that only stupid people play Vanguards.

What my inferiour mental capacity devises from this obviously false argumentation, as I am too stupid to do that properly, is that stupid players that are bad only play as Vanguards is a fundamentally incorrect way of higher than myself thinking (because you know, I am stupid and all that), but actually merely an expression of mathematical chance and individual perception preferences narrowing your viable version of your reality (which is obviously less tupid than mine) into something less diverse to deal with for psychological self-elevation and -promotion as a means of distinguishing your obviously intellectually superiour being onto realms us stupid Vanguard players can not hope to comprehend.



And please do not let me get started on my dumbfonded argumentation on what I think of that infamous "IQ", it might just strain my underdeveloped neurons trying to express what exactly I think of it and its relevance.

Wow, you really took that to heart didnt you? But you fail to point out where I state that people playing vanguards are stupid. I just said that it takes a low IQ to play one, charge->nova rinse and repeat.

So yes, even though you flaunt about with very very very intelligent wording, you still failed to see my point...so yes you must be stupid.

[DashRunner92]

I prefer the Asari Vanguard myself, but I use it as more of a support class. Charge is very useful if you can make a quick exit. Especially for stunning Brutes. I always feel a little guilty when I accidentally steal someone's kill with a charge though

[DashRunner92]

Lumicko wrote...

Isnt it boring just spam Charge Nova Charge Nova ?.. I think it is Im thinking aboout Asari Heavy Meele With Full Fitness for Meele dmg ( MP ) it should be good what u think?

Maybe for Bronze and the starting waves of silver. But you go charging and doing heavy melee without being careful in later waves, you're either going to get shot in the back or end up surrounded by a wave of enemies that you didn't see before. It's happened to be plenty of times when I get reckless. 

[Duranndal]

Having a good vanguard on the team is awesome if they know how to take advantage of your biotic explosions.

Being a vanguard is awesome if you have someone who knows how to take advantage of you.

Then there's those games where you have 3-4 vanguards all with the same build. I think we were novaing for a straight 30 seconds before we realised everything had been dead for a while.

[DrekorSilverfang]

Lumicko wrote...

Isnt it boring just spam Charge Nova Charge Nova ?.. I think it is Im thinking aboout Asari Heavy Meele With Full Fitness for Meele dmg ( MP ) it should be good what u think?

You lack Mobility on Asari since the heavy melee locks you in place. In fact it locks you in place long enough that you will pretty much lose at least half your barriers if taking fire. You also have to buff your melee damage which means skimping on hp/shield upgrades.

Their major benefit is their ability to fight outside point blank range with stasis and lift grenade to set up biotic explosions.

[Dethfist]

I don't know about you guys, but I play this game according to what I find enjoyable, not according to what I think will make me look intelligent to people analyzing my gameplay. If that was my goal, I'd go sit in a public park with a pretentious stack of books, smoking my pipe and looking disconcerted. But then again, I'm a casual gamer (and an all around casual fellow, at that).

[PapVogel]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

PapVogel wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

PapVogel wrote...

Worst thing about vanguards is the apparent IQ it takes to play one, alot of vanguards are so used to owning up the place and getting all the kills, that yesterday, on 3 occasions, i had vanguards ragequit my game when they saw that the lvl 6 quarian infiltrator was getting more points than them... I mean...c'mon its a bloody coop game!

I really like this generalization you make, saying Vanguards are played by stupid people. This is obviously not sarcasm, because as a Vanguard lover, I am too stupid for sarcasm.

And I have totally not seen any improportionally dumb playing from other classes, it is obviously that only Vanguards are dumb people, or by reverse logic, which I obviously can't indulge in, as the quoted user stated, I am far too stupid for that, that only stupid people play Vanguards.

What my inferiour mental capacity devises from this obviously false argumentation, as I am too stupid to do that properly, is that stupid players that are bad only play as Vanguards is a fundamentally incorrect way of higher than myself thinking (because you know, I am stupid and all that), but actually merely an expression of mathematical chance and individual perception preferences narrowing your viable version of your reality (which is obviously less tupid than mine) into something less diverse to deal with for psychological self-elevation and -promotion as a means of distinguishing your obviously intellectually superiour being onto realms us stupid Vanguard players can not hope to comprehend.



And please do not let me get started on my dumbfonded argumentation on what I think of that infamous "IQ", it might just strain my underdeveloped neurons trying to express what exactly I think of it and its relevance.

Wow, you really took that to heart didnt you? But you fail to point out where I state that people playing vanguards are stupid. I just said that it takes a low IQ to play one, charge->nova rinse and repeat.

So yes, even though you flaunt about with very very very intelligent wording, you still failed to see my point...so yes you must be stupid.

Okay, ... now it's my turn to be amazed. Has it never, ever crossed your mind that spouting stuff around like low IQ with its gererally accepted difinition of the usage of said term is right that: calling people stupid?!

And has it never occured to you that for example simply shooting stuff out of cover doesn't need too much mental capacity either? Or has it, by any chance, come to your realization that playing a videogame involves little more than pressing some buttons?

How can you seriously relate to the equation that simply pressing some buttons to play a game is normal, and playing any other class that needs the same amount of skills to be played is normal, but out of the blue, only the Vanguards need a "low IQ"?

Is throwing fragmentation grenades that much more taxing to your mind? Is lining up a headshot that more demanding on your higher thought processes? Is using powers like Overload, Incinerate, Combat Drone, Sticky Grenade, Cryo-Blast, Sentry Turret, Tactical Cloak, Adrenaline Rush, Throw, Warp, Stasis, Reave, Lift Grenade, Cluster Grenade, Concussive Shot, Carnage, Inferno Grenade, Energy Drain, Decoy, Sabotage, Pull THAT much more requiring you can honestly say it takes low IQ on Vanguard players ONLY to play (bad)???

Really?

Don't you see what I am going at?

Are you able to understand the basic outline of what I am saying? Of what every single reasonable forumite is saying???


Let's make it more direct, by way of using a simple logical connection task as commonly used in IQ tests (you should be able to relate to that one at least):

Some people play bad.
Some people play Vanguards.

Which of the following conclusions is correct:

-Some Vanguards are bad.
-All Vanguards are bad.


Since the earlier sarcasm was obviously not an adequate method to opening your eyes (instead you shut them even closer), I sincerely hope my current method is going to show you the rather obvious flaws in your initial statement.

Not really, im finding you quite amusing.

[termokanden]

Heh, people are complaining that vanguards are bad, selfish players, and yet in my last mutiplayer game the two vanguards were the only ones to even try to capture the objectives. That's right, the class that suffers the most from standing still had to do just that because the long range specialists were off on their own trying to beat everyone's score. And I want to bet they figured it was easier to beat our score if they forced us to do the capturing.

What does that tell you about the people who play vanguards and those who play other classes? Nothing. It's about the players, not the class. Always has been, always will be.

Modifié par termokanden, 11 mars 2012 - 08:55 .

[Lionheartwolf]

my theory is every class has at least one move that will screw up everybody's aiming, and the vanguard class is specifically designed to mess up teams altogether...

[Makora7]

my theory is every class has it's place. Vanguards have to adapt fast to their surroundings and weaken/kill enemies in close quarter. Meanwhile the rest of the team gives covering fire/headshot support to allow the vanguard to retreat if it get's too hot. A great addition to any team.

Modifié par Makora7, 11 mars 2012 - 09:05 .

[Jestina]

The only thing that annoys me is someone else on my team standing right next to me, spamming shockwave. That power is more of a hindrance than a help, cause I can't aim with all the shaking and most enemies just laugh at shockwave anyways.

[TheInvicibleCandyBar]

I think some people are making some pretty rude assumptions about Vanguard players. I don't always go vanguard, but when i do, it doesn't mean i'm stupid. And not all vanguards spam charge. In fact, playing as a drellguard, i like to sit next to the ammo packs and spam my cluster grenades, saying cheesy lines like" you've just walked into a clusterf**ksplosion, bro!". and i almost NEVER charge.

[Lumicko]

DrekorSilverfang wrote...

Lumicko wrote...

Isnt it boring just spam Charge Nova Charge Nova ?.. I think it is Im thinking aboout Asari Heavy Meele With Full Fitness for Meele dmg ( MP ) it should be good what u think?

You lack Mobility on Asari since the heavy melee locks you in place. In fact it locks you in place long enough that you will pretty much lose at least half your barriers if taking fire. You also have to buff your melee damage which means skimping on hp/shield upgrades.

Their major benefit is their ability to fight outside point blank range with stasis and lift grenade to set up biotic explosions.

Thx for answering hm i think u are right ill go stassis + lift grenade but some ppl saying that stassis isnt good for vanguard asari so idk and then hm dunno what else i think charge with shotgun wouldnot be good because i will dont have any points to upg my hp + barriers so which another skills i should take and which weapon to use?
Hard decision wel.. Suggestions? thx

Modifié par Lumicko, 11 mars 2012 - 10:34 .

[DrekorSilverfang]

Lumicko wrote...

DrekorSilverfang wrote...

Lumicko wrote...

Isnt it boring just spam Charge Nova Charge Nova ?.. I think it is Im thinking aboout Asari Heavy Meele With Full Fitness for Meele dmg ( MP ) it should be good what u think?

You lack Mobility on Asari since the heavy melee locks you in place. In fact it locks you in place long enough that you will pretty much lose at least half your barriers if taking fire. You also have to buff your melee damage which means skimping on hp/shield upgrades.

Their major benefit is their ability to fight outside point blank range with stasis and lift grenade to set up biotic explosions.

Thx for answering hm i think u are right ill go stassis + lift grenade and then hm dunno what else i think charge with shotung wouldnot be good because i will dont have any points to upg my hp + barriers so which another skills i should take and which weapon to use?

Charge for sure, while asari have an advantage being at range over a human vanguard that doesn't mean you shouldn't be getting in things faces a lot still. As for weapons it depends on what you have. I tend to want max recharge so I go with a heavy pistol but again it depends on what you have available/upgraded. Gral/Geth shotguns are both very strong though.

[Lumicko]

DrekorSilverfang wrote...

Lumicko wrote...

DrekorSilverfang wrote...

Lumicko wrote...

Isnt it boring just spam Charge Nova Charge Nova ?.. I think it is Im thinking aboout Asari Heavy Meele With Full Fitness for Meele dmg ( MP ) it should be good what u think?

You lack Mobility on Asari since the heavy melee locks you in place. In fact it locks you in place long enough that you will pretty much lose at least half your barriers if taking fire. You also have to buff your melee damage which means skimping on hp/shield upgrades.

Their major benefit is their ability to fight outside point blank range with stasis and lift grenade to set up biotic explosions.

Thx for answering hm i think u are right ill go stassis + lift grenade and then hm dunno what else i think charge with shotung wouldnot be good because i will dont have any points to upg my hp + barriers so which another skills i should take and which weapon to use?

Charge for sure, while asari have an advantage being at range over a human vanguard that doesn't mean you shouldn't be getting in things faces a lot still. As for weapons it depends on what you have. I tend to want max recharge so I go with a heavy pistol but again it depends on what you have available/upgraded. Gral/Geth shotguns are both very strong though.

Also i heard that stassis for asari vanguard isnt so good there http://social.biowar...3/index/9773024 so its kinda annoying now heh charge + lift grenades for sure i think the next thinks no idea

[FabricatedWookie]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

The only real stupidity I see around here right now is that ever since the demo came out, people were raging around the Vanguards and calling them, and by proxy me, stupid idiots, when I could just as well point at soo many other other people playing just as ineffective with any other class.

How many Sentinels think once they have their TEch Armor on makes them invincible, just tu run straight into enemy hordes?
How many soldiers spam their Assault rifles' magazines into Guardians in the faint slot some stray bullets hit through the mailslot, without thinking about using CS.
How many Adepts have I seen that simply cast Throw after Throw after Throw.
How many Infiltrators seem to live only within their scope-vision, seemingly not noting the three enemies that just thankfully shoot them in the back whilst they try to score one more nice headshot.
How many Engineers do I see spamming Incinerate on shielded targets.

There is some level of n00bishness everywhere, but people are irrationally channeling it all onto the Vanguards. What twisted reality do those people live in?

I wasn't being sarcastic when I said I couldn't comprehend that thinking!

To be fair, when I play adept I prefer to do warp throw warp throw warp throw.

love me some vanguard though.

The general noobishness is not moving as a unit. So frustrating.

[statistx]

i mostly play vanguard (just grabbed some other classes today to see what i will play in my next single player playthrough), why? because i played one from day one. I love them and personally think i can work with them.
My stupid bumrushing is often used for reviving people in situations where a class without a shield recharge power might not make it (read: run stupidly into it, get killed and leave 2 downed teammates for the other survivors) and more than not i use the charge simply cause i need some extra shield in crowdcontrol.
Also i focus on classes that i can easily pin down, which would be harder for long range classes (like nemesis) and i often charge the big enemies, but at least i know that there is a backwards roll to get away before they 1 hit kill me

Regarding Killsteal: This is a coop game. I ignore it, but not in the way that i WANT to steal kills...there are enemies? i take em out, i don't wait and see if another person allready tries to kill them.

[FabricatedWookie]

The concept of kill stealing is anathema to defeating an enemy as a team. Salarian engineer? Energy drain spam, no enemies shall have shields or barriers, making it easier for friendlies to take them out. Vanguard? Personally I like to play them as a tank roll so I keep pressure off friendlies and blunt strong attacks to relieve fire pressure.

As a vanguard I try to stay close to my team, the enemies will come but if I get carried away and isolate myself I will not be available to help them and present a liability if I get caught without shields and no clear targets.

[Lionheartwolf]

Makora7 wrote...

my theory is every class has it's place. Vanguards have to adapt fast to their surroundings and weaken/kill enemies in close quarter. Meanwhile the rest of the team gives covering fire/headshot support to allow the vanguard to retreat if it get's too hot. A great addition to any team.

see thats kinda why i think vanguards mess up a team. often when playing with a vanguard (assuming we are talking randoms since having a good regular team means you can really play any class and be ok) they dont really communicate well and jump into something assuming they will get cover fire.

its a high risk, high reward class and in all honesty unless your whole team is willing to take that risk it becomes a liability to the team. obviously, cover fire could help any class get out of trouble if things get 'hot' what makes the vanguard a problem for a team is there strength comes from purposely putting themselves into situations that are deemed too 'hot' and expecting the team to get them out.

maybe im just a bit biased as a former corpsman. it was my job to go run out there and pick up the guys who had that same mentality. im sure there are terrific vanguards out there that never go down and never have a problem but as a whole its a risky if not the riskiest class, and risk and teamwork dont go hand in hand well.


oh and i agree with wookie 100% kill stealing? really? when the leaderboards dont reflect any stats at all who cares take your XP and credits and walk away happy. this kind of mentality just messing up the whole team and probably costs people more points then stupid things like full extraction bonuses in the long run.

Modifié par Lionheartwolf, 12 mars 2012 - 12:47 .