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[PSUHammer]

PapVogel wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

PapVogel wrote...

Worst thing about vanguards is the apparent IQ it takes to play one, alot of vanguards are so used to owning up the place and getting all the kills, that yesterday, on 3 occasions, i had vanguards ragequit my game when they saw that the lvl 6 quarian infiltrator was getting more points than them... I mean...c'mon its a bloody coop game!

I really like this generalization you make, saying Vanguards are played by stupid people. This is obviously not sarcasm, because as a Vanguard lover, I am too stupid for sarcasm.

And I have totally not seen any improportionally dumb playing from other classes, it is obviously that only Vanguards are dumb people, or by reverse logic, which I obviously can't indulge in, as the quoted user stated, I am far too stupid for that, that only stupid people play Vanguards.

What my inferiour mental capacity devises from this obviously false argumentation, as I am too stupid to do that properly, is that stupid players that are bad only play as Vanguards is a fundamentally incorrect way of higher than myself thinking (because you know, I am stupid and all that), but actually merely an expression of mathematical chance and individual perception preferences narrowing your viable version of your reality (which is obviously less tupid than mine) into something less diverse to deal with for psychological self-elevation and -promotion as a means of distinguishing your obviously intellectually superiour being onto realms us stupid Vanguard players can not hope to comprehend.



And please do not let me get started on my dumbfonded argumentation on what I think of that infamous "IQ", it might just strain my underdeveloped neurons trying to express what exactly I think of it and its relevance.

Wow, you really took that to heart didnt you? But you fail to point out where I state that people playing vanguards are stupid. I just said that it takes a low IQ to play one, charge->nova rinse and repeat.

So yes, even though you flaunt about with very very very intelligent wording, you still failed to see my point...so yes you must be stupid.

That is kind of insulting.  Every class has one or two skills that get used.  How hard is it to sit back and snipe?  You are using IQ wrong. 

I have a level 20 Vanguard and am quite good with the class.  It has nothing to do with my IQ.  I also have high level Adept and Soldier.  All different styles.

You need to stop with the hate, man.

[Jestina]

TheInvicibleCandyBar wrote...
 And not all vanguards spam charge.

No, some spam nova and others spam shockwave. Still, other vanguards run around like idiots, carrying sniper weapons and pretending to be an infiltrator.

[Maria Caliban]

Lumicko wrote...

Isnt it boring just spam Charge Nova Charge Nova ?.. I think it is Im thinking aboout Asari Heavy Meele With Full Fitness for Meele dmg ( MP ) it should be good what u think?

Is it boring to run from a hungry tiger? I mean, it's just left foot forward, right foot forward, left foot forward, right foot forward.

[statistx]

Lionheartwolf wrote...
maybe im just a bit biased as a former corpsman. it was my job to go run out there and pick up the guys who had that same mentality. im sure there are terrific vanguards out there that never go down and never have a problem but as a whole its a risky if not the riskiest class, and risk and teamwork dont go hand in hand well.

and that is where i disagree. I AM the guy who goes out there and picks others up, cause they are in an area that is swarmed with enemies (which is probably the reason why he went down in the first place, isolated from the team) since i can cover long ways as a vanguard (read: get to an isolated person across the battlefield) and clear up a large area, at least long enough to revive that loner and when i'm done, i roll or charge back into the group and hope the guy i picked up does the same than just stand there and die again.

high risk, yes, but every person who goes into a battlefield and helps the wounded has to take that risk and i prefer if it's a class that can hold out in such an area

[FabricatedWookie]

I just want a team of vanguards and adepts, let the biotic explosions rain down on the unclean.

[Josic]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

PapVogel wrote...

Worst thing about vanguards is the apparent IQ it takes to play one, alot of vanguards are so used to owning up the place and getting all the kills, that yesterday, on 3 occasions, i had vanguards ragequit my game when they saw that the lvl 6 quarian infiltrator was getting more points than them... I mean...c'mon its a bloody coop game!

I really like this generalization you make, saying Vanguards are played by stupid people. This is obviously not sarcasm, because as a Vanguard lover, I am too stupid for sarcasm.

And I have totally not seen any improportionally dumb playing from other classes, it is obviously that only Vanguards are dumb people, or by reverse logic, which I obviously can't indulge in, as the quoted user stated, I am far too stupid for that, that only stupid people play Vanguards.

What my inferiour mental capacity devises from this obviously false argumentation, as I am too stupid to do that properly, is that stupid players that are bad only play as Vanguards is a fundamentally incorrect way of higher than myself thinking (because you know, I am stupid and all that), but actually merely an expression of mathematical chance and individual perception preferences narrowing your viable version of your reality (which is obviously less tupid than mine) into something less diverse to deal with for psychological self-elevation and -promotion as a means of distinguishing your obviously intellectually superiour being onto realms us stupid Vanguard players can not hope to comprehend.



And please do not let me get started on my dumbfonded argumentation on what I think of that infamous "IQ", it might just strain my underdeveloped neurons trying to express what exactly I think of it and its relevance.

you sir, just made my day!
well played... pure unadultarated win. 

[Calibisto]

The Grog wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

I played a match earlier today where it was me(Salarian Infiltrator) and 3 Vanguards.

I'm amazed that I was able to actually hit anything.

Games with 3 or 4 Vanguards that are decent at the game are hilarious against Cerberus and Geth. 

... but then you get Reapers and everybody goes 'Awww, Banshees.  We're screwed.'

Actually, I might have been one of those Vanguards.
Normally I play an Engineer, but honestly, this was the first time I survived a Reaper map.
So I won't be complaining as much about Vanguards.

[snfonseka]

Agree with OPs' idea.

Modifié par snfonseka, 12 mars 2012 - 09:16 .

[Calibisto]

snfonseka wrote...

Agree with OPs' idea.

Right, this topic gotten a bit side tracked.
I too agree with OP's idea.

[JGDD]

KelbornX wrote...

Every now and then there's someone who knows what he's doing, but most I've seen just charge all over the map ignoring objectives or kill stealing.

I have to comment on this one... I play a vanguard on occasion and usually try to support the rest of the team (depending on match settings) and stick around the snipers and such in case they are focused on something and not watching their back. Though sometimes when objectives like the four data terminals require attention wouldn't it be nice for you to leisurely do that objective while a vanguard raises cane somewhere else? It's called distraction and it works really well.

And the kill steal isn't really a kill steal as much as just clearing the map and getting the job done. Teamwork - it's what vanguards do on a thunderous scale. Also, vanguards are lovely to have around in CQC when that five foot long sniper rifle, and no back up weapon, become a liability.

[Jestina]

Krogans are better for up close, and they allow me to aim...since i'm not having everything shaking.

[mrbauxjangles]

 Ya when i get into a game with a vanguard i feel like i should just site behind cover and do nothing cause i can't hit anything

[RPGamer13]

After getting to Level 20 Vanguard, I realised how much my build sucked for me.

For Vanguard builds, I'd say whatever you find most beneficial. It'll take some experimenting, but for me at least, it's better than trying to adapt to someone else's build.

With that out of the way, here's my following builds:

Original:

Took all Shield+Health bonuses instead of melee
Charge - I chose whatever increased the power of charge and other powers, gained 100% shield regen after use
For the other passive, I chose weapon damage over power damage

Current:

I took all the melee skills (improved)
On charge I chose to be able to hit up to 3 enemies close to eachother, although it doesn't seem to be very beneficial yet Also, I chose to restore 100% barriers after charging.
For the other passive, I don't think I changed anything.


Performance with first build:

I kept dying and was consistently running out of ammo. I also ended up with the lowest score all the time and only ever had the number one score once.

Performance now: My points per match have skyrocketed and I last a lot longer now. Especially on the early rounds in Bronze. I'm loving it: charge into a group, then go after an enemy that is standing and heavy melee them, I shoot once or twice if the heavy melee won't kill them, and then I go to charge again to restore shields.

It's great for me, might not be so great for other people. All that matters to me is it works.

[Lumicko]

Guys what u think about Asari Vanguard ? Which skills i should go and which weapon to use? I heard that stassis isnt so good for asari vanguard ( better on adept ) so i should go the lift grenades + charge ( i think the aoe ) and Justicar force dmg or weapon dmg? And what about fitness? Thx

[Pee Jae]

I don't get it. I'm not reckless with my vanguards. Neither are the people I've played with so far. Occasionally, you just run er charge into a bad situation, or there are times when the auto targetting was a hair off and you charged that turret instead of the combat engineer putting it down.

Tip for people before you get upset with us vanguards: remember that charge restores our shields.

[raving rabbid]

human vanguard: oh look a Cerberus troopers shwoop(charge)! wuhbam(nova)!
the other two vanguards: wubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwub(the endless shockwave barrage after the persons shields go down..). XD
true story...

[NikkoJT]

Wow, it's surprising how quickly everyone started talking about Vanguards as a class.

FYI, the original topic is about Shockwave-using Vanguards, and the shaking effect, and a possible remedy for the disruption caused by that effect. NOT how people play Vanguards.

OT mode, activate!
Personally, I haven't seen this much. When I'm sniping, I tend to stay clear of the rest of the team, watching the flanks and looking for targets nobody else is shooting (it's so damn frustrating when someone comes along and drops something on the guy you were just about to blow the head off), and when I'm not sniping, well...a full-auto Avenger backed up with frags doesn't really suffer from the shaking

[Jake Boone]

Kantham wrote...

coldlogic82 wrote...

Literally.

And I can't line up a shot for crap.

I'm not blaming vanguard players, but it would be nice if maybe the whole screen didn't shake for every player within 50 miles of a vanguard every time they sneezed. 

Anotherwords, any hope for a shorter "area" of disturbance in the future?

http://social.biowar...3/index/9719370 

This happens for infiltrators as well, which according to that thread are the only people who should use snipers.

Modifié par Jake Boone, 12 mars 2012 - 04:07 .

[OblivionDawn]

Lol, being a Vanguard, I know exactly what you're talking about.

It's annoying as hell when you're behind cover with a Vanguard and he's spamming Shockwave to take down a Guardian. Which is why I try to fight in another part of the map to avoid kill-stealing and screen shaking etc.

[FabricatedWookie]

avoiding kill stealing is avoiding focus fire and unit destruction

[DrekorSilverfang]

RPGamer13 wrote...

After getting to Level 20 Vanguard, I realised how much my build sucked for me.

For
Vanguard builds, I'd say whatever you find most beneficial. It'll take
some experimenting, but for me at least, it's better than trying to
adapt to someone else's build.

With that out of the way, here's my following builds:

Original:

Took all Shield+Health bonuses instead of melee
Charge - I chose whatever increased the power of charge and other powers, gained 100% shield regen after use
For the other passive, I chose weapon damage over power damage

Current:

I took all the melee skills (improved)
On
charge I chose to be able to hit up to 3 enemies close to eachother,
although it doesn't seem to be very beneficial yet Also, I chose to
restore 100% barriers after charging.
For the other passive, I don't think I changed anything.


Performance with first build:

I
kept dying and was consistently running out of ammo. I also ended up
with the lowest score all the time and only ever had the number one
score once.

Performance now: My points per match have skyrocketed
and I last a lot longer now. Especially on the early rounds in Bronze.
I'm loving it: charge into a group, then go after an enemy that is
standing and heavy melee them, I shoot once or twice if the heavy melee
won't kill them, and then I go to charge again to restore shields.

It's great for me, might not be so great for other people. All that matters to me is it works.

Are you human vanguard? If so you should be focusing on Nova not melee. As an Asari you can do melee but you're better off doing stasis/multicharge biotic explosions.

Lumicko wrote...

Guys what u think about Asari Vanguard ? Which skills i should go and which weapon to use? I heard that stassis isnt so good for asari vanguard ( better on adept ) so i should go the lift grenades + charge ( i think the aoe ) and Justicar force dmg or weapon dmg? And what about fitness? Thx

Stasis is awesome regardless. At the very least it's a good support skill and you can trigger the biotic explosions yourself with charge(using multi-target charge for multi explosions) unless you have an adept present that can use a power that is boosted with +combo power. Either way stasis is a key component of Asari vanguards, it's better than lift grenades for sure.

[spychi]

Turian Sentinels, overload everywhere

[Baka-no-Neko]

Jake Boone wrote...

Kantham wrote...

coldlogic82 wrote...

Literally.

And I can't line up a shot for crap.

I'm not blaming vanguard players, but it would be nice if maybe the whole screen didn't shake for every player within 50 miles of a vanguard every time they sneezed. 

Anotherwords, any hope for a shorter "area" of disturbance in the future?

http://social.biowar...3/index/9719370 

This happens for infiltrators as well, which according to that thread are the only people who should use snipers.

Not to mention that us noobish infiltrators should hang up our sniper rifles for good. So charming =) They forget that not everyone who plays the MP is a hardcore shooter.

In regards to Vanguard agruement, I have to say their charging has saved my noobish ass on many occasions. Sure some overdo it, but at least the team reaches extraction...most of the time:D

Modifié par Baka-no-Neko, 12 mars 2012 - 06:07 .

[nssBoB]

FFLB wrote...

Lumicko wrote...

Isnt it boring just spam Charge Nova Charge Nova ?.. I think it is Im thinking aboout Asari Heavy Meele With Full Fitness for Meele dmg ( MP ) it should be good what u think?

It's not boring, but it can be tiring due to the concentration that may be required to stay alive at times. Especially when you're in the midst of 4-5 enemies and trying to take them all out. Alternating your fingers between 1 and 3, then moving back to the WASD+Spacebar to dodge attacks, tracking enemies with the mouse, and also firing a few shots inbetween all of that. Instead of sitting back and picking off enemies, it starts to feel like Street Fighter or something.

You might as well try out that build. You should probably put the other points into Stasis Bubble to help you out a bit more.

now you opened my eyes to why i love the class so friggin much  charging, nova canceling and shooting while looking for escape charge point keeps my fingers and eyes occupied in exactly same way as SSF4AE does, now can i play with my arcade stick please? /giggle

[Thunderfurby]

Had someone chain spamming Shockwave every 2 seconds in a match today, jesus that was annoying ><, had to go to the other side of the map just so i could get proper shots off.