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[N-Seven]

The margarita comment was uncalled for, really. Verges on a personal attack. 

Stuff like that certainly doesn't help our fanbase out.

This thread should have never been started.  Nothing good can come out of it.  It's pretty much a 'witchhunt' thread.

Modifié par N-Seven, 21 mars 2012 - 05:18 .

[Drake_1000]

N-Seven wrote...

The margarita comment was uncalled for, really. Verges on a personal attack. 

Stuff like that certainly doesn't help our fanbase out.

This thread should have never been started.  Nothing good can come out of it.  It's pretty much a 'witchhunt' thread.

Maybe. No. Maybe. No. Maybe. No.

Why bump it if you disagreed ?

[N-Seven]

I'm not allowed to post my displeasure concerning the spirit of this thread? I also wanted to throw a little cold water into the faces of the unruly mob members. This thread was not started with the intent of being anything constructive. C'mon man, seriously...you must have known a thread like this can only go south. And yeah, were all upset about the ending, but the margarita comment was a cheapshot, right out of the starting gate.

Be constructive. Make suggestions...politely. And donate to Child's Play.

[freakmomah]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Mac Walters may have written the ending, but Casey Hudson is the one who decided what made it into the game.

true. i absolutely agree.

[freakmomah]

N-Seven wrote...

The margarita comment was uncalled for, really. Verges on a personal attack. 

Stuff like that certainly doesn't help our fanbase out.

This thread should have never been started.  Nothing good can come out of it.  It's pretty much a 'witchhunt' thread.

i agree. no personal attacks. criticize the work, but not the person. thank you for the kind reminder.

[AllergevKev]

While Mac may have made a mistake with the ending (if he did indeed write it), I fail to see how this makes him, the lead writer on this overall masterfully written game, some sort of failure, as others are saying.

[MrPuschel]

Ima feel the space magic indoctrinating meeeee~ >-<

[Canned Bullets]

The entire game had amazing writing up until the ending. I get the feeling that Drew Karpyshyn would have done a better job that Mac Walters at writing a satisfying ending.

[Barbarossa2010]

freakmomah wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Mac Walters may have written the ending, but Casey Hudson is the one who decided what made it into the game.

true. i absolutely agree.

I am a 100% Retake-r and hold.the.lin-er.

This is a point I wish to reinforce.  Mac has a boss, Casey Hudson.  Casey has at least two bosses, Drs. Muzyka and Zeschuk.  Mac is certainly the engine of creativity when it comes to story elements, and he is certainly responsible for providing story ideas, as well as fleshing out pre-approved ideas.  But remember his bosses have the final say and approve/disapprove virtually every bit of work he does, especially something as big as a trilogy's ending.  Can't blame Mac alone.

Who knows?, maybe Mac argued against this terrible ending.  Maybe he was even directed toward this end.  And yes, perhaps he came up with it on his own.  Still, he requires approval for everything he produces.  Mac answers to an approval authority.  If we're going to blame Mac solely for the ending, then we have to blame him for the 95% of the good writing (certainly many of us can agree there) that was contained in the rest of the game.  He is after all lead writer, and as such he acts as an approval authority for those writers beneath him, whose products he is responsible for.

We simply can't know the inner workings of the company, but we clearly know who's in charge overall, and where the buck stops.  Success and failure are on their shoulders, and they signed up for it when they established themselves as chiefs, VPs, Presidents, CEOs or big dogs.

No good can come of singling out an employee who is not at the top of the food chain of any given organization.  It will become counter productive quickly if we have wingnuts start trying to pull a "Hepler" on Mac.  No good will come out of doing the same for the good Doctors either. 

Be critical, hell, be VERY critical, but never allow even the slightest hint of a personal attack to enter your arguments or actions.

Just wanted to add some perpective here.  Use or disregard as you see fit.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 23 mars 2012 - 01:26 .

[Zix13]

Doesn't matter who wrote it, though whoever it was should be ashamed, Bioware released it as a company. The work of its employees influences bioware, thus employees who do a lousy job should be terminated and replaced by people who do good work. But who it is, and what happens inside bioware, really isn't our concern. The only thing that does matter, is that Bioware, the company, shipped an embarrassment

[Militarized]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

freakmomah wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Mac Walters may have written the ending, but Casey Hudson is the one who decided what made it into the game.

true. i absolutely agree.

I am a 100% Retake-r and hold.the.lin-er.

This is a point I wish to reinforce.  Mac has a boss, Casey Hudson.  Casey has at least two bosses, Drs. Muzyka and Zeschuk.  Mac is certainly the engine of creativity when it comes to story elements, and he is certainly responsible for providing story ideas, as well as fleshing out pre-approved ideas.  But remember his bosses have the final say and approve/disapprove virtually every bit of work he does, especially something as big as a trilogy's ending.  Can't blame Mac alone.

Who knows?, maybe Mac argued against this terrible ending.  Maybe he was even directed toward this end.  And yes, perhaps he came up with it on his own.  Still, he requires approval for everything he produces.  Mac answers to an approval authority.  If we're going to blame Mac solely for the ending, then we have to blame him for the 95% of the good writing (certainly many of us can agree there) that was contained in the rest of the game.  He is after all lead writer, and as such he acts as an approval authority for those writers beneath him, whose products he is responsible for.

We simply can't know the inner workings of the company, but we clearly know who's in charge overall, and where the buck stops.  Success and failure are on their shoulders, and they signed up for it when they established themselves as chiefs, VPs, Presidents, CEOs or big dogs.

No good can come of singling out an employee who is not at the top of the food chain of any given organization.  It will become counter productive quickly if we have wingnuts start trying to pull a "Hepler" on Mac.  No good will come out of doing the same for the good Doctors either. 

Be critical, hell, be VERY critical, but never allow even the slightest hint of a personal attack to enter your arguments or actions.

Just wanted to add some perpective here.  Use or disregard as you see fit.

This is very informative and helpful insight, I had not thought of all that honestly. Thank you very much. 

[aliengmr1]

Adamantium93 wrote...

Guys. I'm going to say this preemptively. I know its tempting, but don't threaten him, don't call him names and ask for him to be fired or humiliated. We're better than that. Sending him a mature letter listing your grievances is ok. Don't do anything that will reflect badly upon the fans as a whole.

[MattFini]

Well, since Mac was also co-lead writer on ME2, which was an almost perfect game in terms of execution, character and story, I would never harbor any ill-will toward a man who obviously has some writing talent.

I get the impression that, for whatever reason, they weren't sure how ME3 was going to end right up until the 11th hour. It seems like the current ending is more the result of "eh, this will be good enough" rather than any real appropriate finish to the trilogy. Deadlines to meet and all that ...

But mistakes can happen. What's important is that they fix it.

Modifié par MattFini, 23 mars 2012 - 01:38 .

[xiaoassassin]

What a bad writer.

[Yttrian]

Regardless, it certainly plays like it was created by an individual or extremely select group wit little to no peer review.

...and if it was then it was reviewed by a highly select group with either earily conveniently matching interests or continuation of employment being a major factor.

Ultimately it reads like third-rate fan-fiction about a single persons gameplay, photocopied from Deus Ex with more plotholes than a sieve factory on Mars.

Modifié par Yttrian, 23 mars 2012 - 01:43 .

[Zine2]

It's been known for quite a while that the two people who did the most work on the ending was Mac Walters and Casey Hudson (see Final Hours). There is some sort of evidence that even shows they shut out the rest of the writing staff from the ending.

[Barbarossa2010]

Militarized wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

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This is very informative and helpful insight, I had not thought of all that honestly. Thank you very much. 

You're welcome Miliarized.  I don't want to see a good thing derailed because of bad behavior.  Good things are happening.  I know there will be some bad behavior, but let's try to keep it on the fringes.

I really want to see this movement be successful,  and not devolve into the very things opponents are wrongly (at present) accusing us of.

Barbarossa

[fafnir magnus]

One solitary writer is not enough for the culmination of the work of a far greater conglomerate of previous writers. One person cannot have the perspective and in-depth vision to do the job that should have been done with mass effect 3's ending. I'd like to know who decided it was a good idea to have one person handle the ending.

[Aesieru]

Mmm... if Mac spent less time getting drunk and more time thinking about quality, we might have something decent.

[MattFini]

Zine2 wrote...

It's been known for quite a while that the two people who did the most work on the ending was Mac Walters and Casey Hudson (see Final Hours). There is some sort of evidence that even shows they shut out the rest of the writing staff from the ending.

I would absolutely love to know the logic behind this.

If anything, the goddamn ending needed to go before review of the ENTIRE writing team in order to make it as compelling as possible.  

What we have in there now just feels sterile and pretentious, and it kills the game, and the two before it.

[Dridengx]

Militarized wrote...

O RLY? ....well, now we know who to target.

BSN FLEET, ENGAGE!

self admitting you target and harass Bioware Employees in your cause? not wise at all consider your movement is trying so hard to shed this type of image.

[Stanley Woo]

No.

End of line.