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[The Angry One]

Steptroll wrote...

Greed1914 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

That he's not a Reaper is irrelevant. He makes them do what they do. It's HIS fault.
And his entire stance is complete nonsense. He's disproved by events in the game.
Most shockingly of all, HE CONTRADICTS HIMSELF. HE IS SYNTHETIC. HE WANTS TO PRESERVE ORGANIC LIFE.

He basically lies to Shepard's face, and Shep just accepts it. Again, Shep gives in to the resident monster. It's unbelievable.

It's true.  Not only do we have our own proof that his premise is flawed, but he is a walking contradiction.  So, there is just one enlightened AI that understands the value of organics?  It's inconceivable to this being that other AI's could also see the value? 

I think you guys are trying to put something inherently incomprehensible to us into terms that you can understand. (Reapers reminding us that their motivations cannot be understood by mere mortals.) Asking about the nature of the child and about his motivations is akin to asking the same about God. 

We don't have enough information to solidly conclude upon his nature and motivations. He might not be synthetic for all we know. He might be the collective consciousness of the species that built the reapers. He might be a hyper advanced VI. He might be an omnipotent entity who exists JUST BECAUSE. We can't say for sure.

Everything demonstrates he is a machine operating a machine to command other machines.
AI or VI is again irrelevant. He is synthetic. He disproves himself with every word.

And no, Reaper motivations are perfectly understandable. They're the playthings of an AI with a god-complex operating on garbage logic. And this is who Shepard gave into.

[Citizen Q]

HrzRanok wrote...

HKR148 wrote...

ecarden wrote...

HrzRanok wrote...

Simple
answer. Guardian was there before the reapers in place. A time that we
do not know what happened. He saw what WILL happen if life is left to
evolve on its own. Basically there will be no peace, eventually
synthetics will take over and kill everything.
The guardian has to
be believe and shephard believes him as well because he knows this is
the only person who would have the kind of knowledge to know what will
happen if the cycle if ended and organics are left free to evolve and
create a synthetic life form that would wipe out everything.

There is little reason NOT to believe it.

You assert this, but we have no evidence for it. Shepard doesn't even ask for evidence of it. 

Moreover,
the guardian can't have evidence for it, as if it actually happened,
there would have been no game...the synthetics would have destroyed
everything, not just the advanced species. Moreover, if it was
inevitable, wouldn't it happen in most cycles? If so, how are the
Reapers still around? They take casualties most cycles and replace them
with Reapers created from organics. If it's really inevitable, you'd
think it would happen in most 50,000 year cycles, in which case the
Reapers would take casualties from the previous cycles version of the
Geth with no way to replace them. That's putting aside the fact that
they would also, if he were right, destroy all organic life, which as
the game takes place can't have happened.

Why would Shepard
believe a being that admits to being in charge of his enemies? It has
every incentive to lie, especially as in essentially all endings the one
person whose in a position to use the crucible (maybe) will die.

ETA: Second paragraph, more clearly: Space god says it's inevitable, when it can't have ever happened. Fine.

Shepard doesn't point out the window at the Geth and Quarians fighting alongside one another--WTF?

The
whole plot, Geth/Quarian, Turian/Krogan, Overall Galactic Alliance
Plot, Cerberus/Humanity were the plots that Shepard set out to solve.
The whole story was building up to the point where pretty much the theme
was that "the cycle is about to break because we have Shepard, who
managed to unite everyone, managed to make truce between Geth/Quarian
and manage to take down the indoctrinated opposition." (even the
Prothean tells you that what you have done was something that never was
done in any of the cycles they've analyzed) yet at the end, the vent-kid
asserts that nothing Shepard has done matters little. Do you see the
glaring contradiction between the ideals that ME3 was building up to and
the forced conclusion that we had to take at the abrupt end? That's
what makes me absolutely angry.

The guardian never
asserts that what shephard did meant little as again we don't know what
happens to the other species after this event.

The guardian has
little reason to lie or decieve shephard at all. Basically because no
matter what the cycle was ending and what happens next is up to
shephard, the guardian has little motivation to simply lie. And yes
there was plenty of evidence to prove what the Guardian was saying was
true. Namely when Shephard asked the reaper back on Ranoch why it was
doing all this it gave him the straight answer, "to prevent chaos". If
you look at Shephards reaction to that you would understand he was
starting to figure out alot of this. Him meeting the guardian only
confirmed what he already knew. The guardian had first hand knowledge of
the galaxy before the reapers and shephard asked the guardian
repeatedly what would happen with all three scenarios and the guardian
explained it all. Even a solutuion that the guardian was unsure about.

Also. Shephard is NOT dead. He lives on, just not in a human capacity. He is still alive I am amazed people didn't get that.

I
am definately not going to be able to convince anyone that the ending
was as close to reality as it could have been. i just want Bioware to
know that at least one intelligent person got it.

Suggesting that people who didn't like the ending are not intelligent: how droll.

Modifié par Citizen Q, 11 mars 2012 - 03:40 .

[Biotic Sage]

ecarden wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

Who says Shepard believes him? He literally has NO OTHER CHOICE. He can either make the leap of faith on what the Catalyst says or he can watch Earth burn. Seriously people.

No other choice? Dude, my Shepard talked an indoctrinated Saren into blowing his brains out, convinced Geth and Quarian to work together and Jack that he loved her and wasn't just using her. His greatest weapon was his tongue, not his gun and after everything he says: yes, space god, as you say space god?

No.

He says: Look out the window. You can see Quarians and Geth, Organics and Synthetics alike, fighting to stop you. Fighting together. Despite what your tools did, despite the treachery, the lies and the mind control of the Reapers, we found each other and stand against you, as one. Perhaps in your cycle it was inevitable, but it wasn't and isn't in ours. We are not you. Do not punish us for the actions of others. Stand down. Watch. If you are right, then they will turn on us and you can return, we can't stop you anymore than the Protheans, or anyone else could. What does it cost you to test your hypothesis that this is inevitable?

I'm sorry but nothing in the game indicates the Reapers can be destroyed by the fleets, even if they were 100 times larger than the largest combined galactic fleet.  Bioware thought you would understand this, I think you are being willfully in denial.  At least they don't give you the option to roll a Shepard who is in denial, even if you want to be.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 11 mars 2012 - 03:41 .

[askanec]

You do not believe the Catalyst is telling the truth. Yet, I ask, what evidence can the Catalyst produce that will make you believe he's telling the truth? You've already decided from the start he's lying, without any evidence.

[ecarden]

Biotic Sage wrote...

ecarden wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

Who says Shepard believes him? He literally has NO OTHER CHOICE. He can either make the leap of faith on what the Catalyst says or he can watch Earth burn. Seriously people.

No other choice? Dude, my Shepard talked an indoctrinated Saren into blowing his brains out, convinced Geth and Quarian to work together and Jack that he loved her and wasn't just using her. His greatest weapon was his tongue, not his gun and after everything he says: yes, space god, as you say space god?

No.

He says: Look out the window. You can see Quarians and Geth, Organics and Synthetics alike, fighting to stop you. Fighting together. Despite what your tools did, despite the treachery, the lies and the mind control of the Reapers, we found each other and stand against you, as one. Perhaps in your cycle it was inevitable, but it wasn't and isn't in ours. We are not you. Do not punish us for the actions of others. Stand down. Watch. If you are right, then they will turn on us and you can return, we can't stop you anymore than the Protheans, or anyone else could. What does it cost you to test your hypothesis that this is inevitable?

I'm sorry but nothing in the game indicates the Reapers can be destroyed by the fleets, even if they were 100 times larger than the largest combined galactic fleet.  Bioware thought you would understand this, I think you are being willfully in denial.

Precisely, we aren't a threat to them, so why not wait and see if what he claims to be attempting to prevent is going to come to pass?

[Citizen Q]

Biotic Sage wrote...

ecarden wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

Who says Shepard believes him? He literally has NO OTHER CHOICE. He can either make the leap of faith on what the Catalyst says or he can watch Earth burn. Seriously people.

No other choice? Dude, my Shepard talked an indoctrinated Saren into blowing his brains out, convinced Geth and Quarian to work together and Jack that he loved her and wasn't just using her. His greatest weapon was his tongue, not his gun and after everything he says: yes, space god, as you say space god?

No.

He says: Look out the window. You can see Quarians and Geth, Organics and Synthetics alike, fighting to stop you. Fighting together. Despite what your tools did, despite the treachery, the lies and the mind control of the Reapers, we found each other and stand against you, as one. Perhaps in your cycle it was inevitable, but it wasn't and isn't in ours. We are not you. Do not punish us for the actions of others. Stand down. Watch. If you are right, then they will turn on us and you can return, we can't stop you anymore than the Protheans, or anyone else could. What does it cost you to test your hypothesis that this is inevitable?

I'm sorry but nothing in the game indicates the Reapers can be destroyed by the fleets, even if they were 100 times larger than the largest combined galactic fleet.  Bioware thought you would understand this, I think you are being willfully in denial.

He said nothing of the sort.

In fact he said the exact opposite of what you are asserting.

Reading comprehension.... It's FUNdamental.

[ecarden]

askanec wrote...

You do not believe the Catalyst is telling the truth. Yet, I ask, what evidence can the Catalyst produce that will make you believe he's telling the truth? You've already decided from the start he's lying, without any evidence.

Well, he controls the Reapers, genocidal monsters famous for mind control, espionage and, what was it? GENOCIDE. WHY WOULD SHEPARD BELIEVE HIM?

[The Angry One]

Biotic Sage wrote...

I'm sorry but nothing in the game indicates the Reapers can be destroyed by the fleets, even if they were 100 times larger than the largest combined galactic fleet.  Bioware thought you would understand this, I think you are being willfully in denial.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par The Angry One, 11 mars 2012 - 03:42 .

[Biotic Sage]

ecarden wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

ecarden wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

Who says Shepard believes him? He literally has NO OTHER CHOICE. He can either make the leap of faith on what the Catalyst says or he can watch Earth burn. Seriously people.

No other choice? Dude, my Shepard talked an indoctrinated Saren into blowing his brains out, convinced Geth and Quarian to work together and Jack that he loved her and wasn't just using her. His greatest weapon was his tongue, not his gun and after everything he says: yes, space god, as you say space god?

No.

He says: Look out the window. You can see Quarians and Geth, Organics and Synthetics alike, fighting to stop you. Fighting together. Despite what your tools did, despite the treachery, the lies and the mind control of the Reapers, we found each other and stand against you, as one. Perhaps in your cycle it was inevitable, but it wasn't and isn't in ours. We are not you. Do not punish us for the actions of others. Stand down. Watch. If you are right, then they will turn on us and you can return, we can't stop you anymore than the Protheans, or anyone else could. What does it cost you to test your hypothesis that this is inevitable?

I'm sorry but nothing in the game indicates the Reapers can be destroyed by the fleets, even if they were 100 times larger than the largest combined galactic fleet.  Bioware thought you would understand this, I think you are being willfully in denial.

Precisely, we aren't a threat to them, so why not wait and see if what he claims to be attempting to prevent is going to come to pass?

Ugh.  The illogic here.  And are you the same one accusing Bioware of making an illogical ending?

[deathscythe517]

So the fact that you like the ending makes you automatically intelligent, you know what, this is the reason you guys get so much ****ing flak. You think because you like the ending that you're somehow smarter than the average human being and it's the freaking ego that makes us disregard or lash back at you, coming from someone cynical, Bioware doesn't give a **** what people say - in defense or against them - they already have your money. I'm doing this on principle, what's your freaking excuse?

[Citizen Q]

askanec wrote...

You do not believe the Catalyst is telling the truth. Yet, I ask, what evidence can the Catalyst produce that will make you believe he's telling the truth? You've already decided from the start he's lying, without any evidence.

He's behind the Reapers?

That seems like more than suffecient evidence.

[Snowblade]

Why doesn't the kid offer symbiosis from the start when organics like Saren or Illusive man are so sure about it.

Modifié par Snowblade, 11 mars 2012 - 03:45 .

[Biotic Sage]

The Angry One wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

I'm sorry but nothing in the game indicates the Reapers can be destroyed by the fleets, even if they were 100 times larger than the largest combined galactic fleet.  Bioware thought you would understand this, I think you are being willfully in denial.

www.youtube.com/watch

Good point, if there weren't hundreds of thousands of those.  You guys can criticize the endings for what they are, but this particular argument is illogical based on the evidence from the games.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 11 mars 2012 - 03:43 .

[Thunder AI]

he's lieing because his story is bullcrap. his own story is conviludent and incorrect based on what he says.

its either a lie or... its a lie.

[HrzRanok]

ecarden wrote...

HrzRanok wrote...

Simple answer. Guardian was there before the reapers in place. A time that we do not know what happened. He saw what WILL happen if life is left to evolve on its own. Basically there will be no peace, eventually synthetics will take over and kill everything.
The guardian has to be believe and shephard believes him as well because he knows this is the only person who would have the kind of knowledge to know what will happen if the cycle if ended and organics are left free to evolve and create a synthetic life form that would wipe out everything.

There is little reason NOT to believe it.

You assert this, but we have no evidence for it. Shepard doesn't even ask for evidence of it. 

Moreover, the guardian can't have evidence for it, as if it actually happened, there would have been no game...the synthetics would have destroyed everything, not just the advanced species. Moreover, if it was inevitable, wouldn't it happen in most cycles? If so, how are the Reapers still around? They take casualties most cycles and replace them with Reapers created from organics. If it's really inevitable, you'd think it would happen in most 50,000 year cycles, in which case the Reapers would take casualties from the previous cycles version of the Geth with no way to replace them. That's putting aside the fact that they would also, if he were right, destroy all organic life, which as the game takes place can't have happened.

Why would Shepard believe a being that admits to being in charge of his enemies? It has every incentive to lie, especially as in essentially all endings the one person whose in a position to use the crucible (maybe) will die.

ETA: Second paragraph, more clearly: Space god says it's inevitable, when it can't have ever happened. Fine.

Shepard doesn't point out the window at the Geth and Quarians fighting alongside one another--WTF?

The synthetics on the point of taking over, did happen in the previous cycles. It very nearly even happened in this cycle, if not for shephards intervention. We don't know enough about the previous cycles to confirm or deny this.
Also the reapers were always watching civilization, had this happened I am sure they would have intervened and more than likely they probably did.

"Shepard doesn't point out the window at the Geth and Quarians fighting alongside one another--WTF?"
Your not hearing what i am saying. Yes that was one good example. But it took alot of luck and effort for that to happen. What was to stop the batarians, or the krogans, or the asari from creating a synthetic life form that could wipe out everything?
Even humans. EDI was created in violation of the accord. What about project overlord? Or any number of other examples that we saw throughout the series and side quests where a synthetic was accidentally created to take over.

What about the side quest in ME2 where the VI went rougue and killed everything on the station. Now multiply that 1 million times and you basically have the scenario that the guardian was talking about.

It would have happened without the cycle. To have a disney rainbow ending would have betrayed the series, not helped it. That would have been the bad ending IMO.

[HrzRanok]

Citizen Q wrote...

HrzRanok wrote...

HKR148 wrote...

ecarden wrote...

HrzRanok wrote...

Simple
answer. Guardian was there before the reapers in place. A time that we
do not know what happened. He saw what WILL happen if life is left to
evolve on its own. Basically there will be no peace, eventually
synthetics will take over and kill everything.
The guardian has to
be believe and shephard believes him as well because he knows this is
the only person who would have the kind of knowledge to know what will
happen if the cycle if ended and organics are left free to evolve and
create a synthetic life form that would wipe out everything.

There is little reason NOT to believe it.

You assert this, but we have no evidence for it. Shepard doesn't even ask for evidence of it. 

Moreover,
the guardian can't have evidence for it, as if it actually happened,
there would have been no game...the synthetics would have destroyed
everything, not just the advanced species. Moreover, if it was
inevitable, wouldn't it happen in most cycles? If so, how are the
Reapers still around? They take casualties most cycles and replace them
with Reapers created from organics. If it's really inevitable, you'd
think it would happen in most 50,000 year cycles, in which case the
Reapers would take casualties from the previous cycles version of the
Geth with no way to replace them. That's putting aside the fact that
they would also, if he were right, destroy all organic life, which as
the game takes place can't have happened.

Why would Shepard
believe a being that admits to being in charge of his enemies? It has
every incentive to lie, especially as in essentially all endings the one
person whose in a position to use the crucible (maybe) will die.

ETA: Second paragraph, more clearly: Space god says it's inevitable, when it can't have ever happened. Fine.

Shepard doesn't point out the window at the Geth and Quarians fighting alongside one another--WTF?

The
whole plot, Geth/Quarian, Turian/Krogan, Overall Galactic Alliance
Plot, Cerberus/Humanity were the plots that Shepard set out to solve.
The whole story was building up to the point where pretty much the theme
was that "the cycle is about to break because we have Shepard, who
managed to unite everyone, managed to make truce between Geth/Quarian
and manage to take down the indoctrinated opposition." (even the
Prothean tells you that what you have done was something that never was
done in any of the cycles they've analyzed) yet at the end, the vent-kid
asserts that nothing Shepard has done matters little. Do you see the
glaring contradiction between the ideals that ME3 was building up to and
the forced conclusion that we had to take at the abrupt end? That's
what makes me absolutely angry.

The guardian never
asserts that what shephard did meant little as again we don't know what
happens to the other species after this event.

The guardian has
little reason to lie or decieve shephard at all. Basically because no
matter what the cycle was ending and what happens next is up to
shephard, the guardian has little motivation to simply lie. And yes
there was plenty of evidence to prove what the Guardian was saying was
true. Namely when Shephard asked the reaper back on Ranoch why it was
doing all this it gave him the straight answer, "to prevent chaos". If
you look at Shephards reaction to that you would understand he was
starting to figure out alot of this. Him meeting the guardian only
confirmed what he already knew. The guardian had first hand knowledge of
the galaxy before the reapers and shephard asked the guardian
repeatedly what would happen with all three scenarios and the guardian
explained it all. Even a solutuion that the guardian was unsure about.

Also. Shephard is NOT dead. He lives on, just not in a human capacity. He is still alive I am amazed people didn't get that.

I
am definately not going to be able to convince anyone that the ending
was as close to reality as it could have been. i just want Bioware to
know that at least one intelligent person got it.

Suggesting that people who didn't like the ending are not intelligent: how droll.

Not at all. Everyone has been making good points in opposition. I just want to hear one that says something outside of "We wanted shephard to live.."

Shephard did live and earth was saved. If you don't realize that then yah I would say intelligence was not in your stat roll.

[ecarden]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Ugh.  The illogic here.  And are you the same one accusing Bioware of making an illogical ending?

My argument is:

1) Space god says: We do this to stop Synthetics from destroying all Organics, which is inevitable.

2) Shepard says: You're almost all powerful, if you want to stop Synthetics, stop Synthetics, don't kill Organics.  Or, even better, don't kill anyone until the Synthetics try to kill all Organics.

Let me know where the problem with the logical flaw is.

[deathscythe517]

I'm literally not even going to bother arguing with you which will probably reaffirm this rationalized gobbeldygook you call sense. You seem to rather firmly planted in your believe that the Catalyst is correct despite the many fallacies in its logic, highest of which is the fact that it itself is a synthetic, hell one could argue that the only reason it's culling organic life is because it knows that if it actually does something logical about it's idiotic conclusion that it would have to self-terminate.

[Direwolf1618]

Yea trust the creepy lil reaper kid thats a FANTASTIC idea. Just cause he, probably Harbringer takes a small human child's form and does a lil sweet talking all of the sudden Shephard buys into his crap? Hell no. Shoot him in the HEAD.

[Biotic Sage]

ecarden wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

Ugh.  The illogic here.  And are you the same one accusing Bioware of making an illogical ending?

My argument is:

1) Space god says: We do this to stop Synthetics from destroying all Organics, which is inevitable.

2) Shepard says: You're almost all powerful, if you want to stop Synthetics, stop Synthetics, don't kill Organics.  Or, even better, don't kill anyone until the Synthetics try to kill all Organics.

Let me know where the problem with the logical flaw is.

That's not how the system was programmed.  The Catalyst has no power over the Citadel, no power over changing its way of doing things, it is bound by its parameters.  It flat out says that when it tells Shepard that HE must make the choice and that he must alter the paradigm.  That's the problem with your argument.

It couldn't move the Citadel itself, the Illusive Man needed to.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 11 mars 2012 - 03:48 .

[Nyaore]

Honestly, the only lines of dialogue within the game I've found that support his assertions are Javik's. Both EDI and the Geth, which you can quite easily bend to working with the Quarians at that late stage of the game, are examples that disprove the Guardian's assertions. Maybe he's telling the truth, maybe he's not. However it was a poor move on their part to make the only conclusive evidence come from the lines of a DLC only character.
And yes, I know the Geth might revolt once again if some Quarian like Zen decides to start tinkering with them. That's not the point. The point is we aren't shown FIRST HAND the reality this child god is trying to show us during this particular game, and in fact are shown two very conclusive pieces of evidence that partially disprove what is being said. If Bioware really wanted us to believe the Guardian's logic, they should have given more conclusive evidence to support his case. The Geth really aren't the best indicator, especially since they only revolted to protect themselves, and for the reasons I listed above.

All in all, all the problems with the 'god child' are caused by slip-shod writing.

[HrzRanok]

Citizen Q wrote...

askanec wrote...

You do not believe the Catalyst is telling the truth. Yet, I ask, what evidence can the Catalyst produce that will make you believe he's telling the truth? You've already decided from the start he's lying, without any evidence.

He's behind the Reapers?

That seems like more than suffecient evidence.

Yes and no.
Important fact I have been trying to say from the beginning. The reapers were a solution originally intended to "uplift" not indoctrinate the species that had advanced and push them to the next level of evolution.
Somewhere this got corrupted, as the guardian said, and now it was not harvesting but indoctrination. A method the guardian said was not intended.

So the reapers were a creation, but somewhere along the way they got out of the control of the guardian and went and began t subjugate and destory instead of uplifting.

[ecarden]

HrzRanok wrote...

Not at all. Everyone has been making good points in opposition. I just want to hear one that says something outside of "We wanted shephard to live.."

Shephard did live and earth was saved. If you don't realize that then yah I would say intelligence was not in your stat roll.

I do not suggest that Shepard should survive. I suggested my Shepard shouldn't believe pseudo-philisophical nonsense from a genocidal monster.

As for Earth: Citidel explodes, Mass Relays explode...the only way Earth survives is magic...in a moderately hard Sci-Fi setting.

[lasertank]

Biotic Sage wrote...

ecarden wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

Who says Shepard believes him? He literally has NO OTHER CHOICE. He can either make the leap of faith on what the Catalyst says or he can watch Earth burn. Seriously people.

No other choice? Dude, my Shepard talked an indoctrinated Saren into blowing his brains out, convinced Geth and Quarian to work together and Jack that he loved her and wasn't just using her. His greatest weapon was his tongue, not his gun and after everything he says: yes, space god, as you say space god?

No.

He says: Look out the window. You can see Quarians and Geth, Organics and Synthetics alike, fighting to stop you. Fighting together. Despite what your tools did, despite the treachery, the lies and the mind control of the Reapers, we found each other and stand against you, as one. Perhaps in your cycle it was inevitable, but it wasn't and isn't in ours. We are not you. Do not punish us for the actions of others. Stand down. Watch. If you are right, then they will turn on us and you can return, we can't stop you anymore than the Protheans, or anyone else could. What does it cost you to test your hypothesis that this is inevitable?

I'm sorry but nothing in the game indicates the Reapers can be destroyed by the fleets, even if they were 100 times larger than the largest combined galactic fleet.  Bioware thought you would understand this, I think you are being willfully in denial.  At least they don't give you the option to roll a Shepard who is in denial, even if you want to be.

So. your action is to surrender to your enemy when you know it's impossible to win? No, I would never understand it. Neither would Shepard (unless he's indoctrinated). What Bioware did here is to contrive a illogical and bad story to trap you and force you to choose from three choices, which seems dark and deep but indeed shallow and cheap. If you could buy it that's fine, but don't expect others to accept such irresponsible ways to end the legendary trilogy.

[The Angry One]

HrzRanok wrote...
The synthetics on the point of taking over, did happen in the previous cycles. It very nearly even happened in this cycle, if not for shephards intervention.

The hell it did. The Geth were mostly passive. They drove out the Quarians because the Quarians wouldn't stop attacking them, and even then they chose to let them leave when they could have killed them all.
Do you get that. This very game states that the Geth CHOSE TO LET THE QUARIANS LIVE. 

We don't know enough about the previous cycles to confirm or deny this.
Also the reapers were always watching civilization, had this happened I am sure they would have intervened and more than likely they probably did.

We know about the Protheans. We know they fought a war with machines. And won. And dominated the galaxy.
Who killed them? Reapers.

"Shepard doesn't point out the window at the Geth and Quarians fighting alongside one another--WTF?"
Your not hearing what i am saying. Yes that was one good example. But it took alot of luck and effort for that to happen. What was to stop the batarians, or the krogans, or the asari from creating a synthetic life form that could wipe out everything?

What's to stop the Krogan without the genophage taking over the galaxy?
What's to stop humans from electing a dictator worse than all of ours in history combined and bombing every alien world to atomic particles to cleanse the impure?

Even humans. EDI was created in violation of the accord. What about project overlord? Or any number of other examples that we saw throughout the series and side quests where a synthetic was accidentally created to take over.

And where they, you know, failed.

What about the side quest in ME2 where the VI went rougue and killed everything on the station. Now multiply that 1 million times and you basically have the scenario that the guardian was talking about.

It would have happened without the cycle. To have a disney rainbow ending would have betrayed the series, not helped it. That would have been the bad ending IMO.

And how do any of the idiot kid's solutions prevent that in the long term? Answer that, sparky.