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[DemonsSouls]

I just beat ME3 last night and I've finally had some time to process what happened. Personally, I am perfectly fine with the ending. I think it really matched the tone of the game. Everything in ME3 felt so desperate, even a game like ME2 which felt dark at the time, was child's play by comparison. I think the endings reflected that well. There was no easy way out and though I know a lot of you wish we could have a happier ending, I understand why Bioware went with this route.

What I don't understand, is why they included that Normandy crash scene. It was just terrible. Plain and simple. I think everyone's tone would have been dramatically different if Bioware had done the smart thing and went to the credits as soon as the beam started bouncing off the relays. Yes, it would lack closure, but at least we could make up our own conclusions about what happened afterwards. As it stands now, things are depressing, confusing, and agitating.

The whole scene just seemed rushed and out of place. Why is Joker even running from the blast in the first place? Why did the beam cause the Normandy to crash when (based on my choice at least) it was simply meant to give me control over the reapers? Why on earth is Tali, my love interest who was with me on earth... somehow in the Normandy now? Why did they show Jarvik, a character I barley got to know, instead of any one of the other crew members I've gotten to know since ME1? Where are they and what are we supposed to expect from this? A small group of different species is not going to be enough to survive, repopulate, etc. on a remote planet.

Ok... so maybe Joker saw the blast and decided to high tail it out of there...why not show him making that decision? Maybe Joker picked up Tali and Garrus while you were in the Citadel... why not show some allusion to that fact so we're not completely baffled? Maybe because Joker tried to go through a relay the resulting effect destroyed the Normandy and not the blast itself... this is a whole lot of maybes.

The way I see it, Bioware either ran out of time, or they just failed to see the better options here. Everything about that scene screams unpolished and incomplete. It's like Bioware felt they needed to add something to give us some closure, but they didn't have enough time so they slopped something together and the results make little sense. Evidence of this is also present when you make the final choice in the game. We see Joker... cool. We see Anderson... yep. We see... Liara... Kaiden... or Ashley... wut? Did Bioware really not have enough time to program our love interests into that scene? I think my Shepard would picture Tali over Liara considering we were in a relationship. I honestly kept waiting for Tali's picture to show up... nope! Apparently Bioware wanted to play favorites so they only show who they think should have been romanced.

I have can think of two options that would have made this ending a lot more emotional for everyone, regardless of how you felt about the ending choices.

Option A) Keep everything the way it is, except cut the entire Normandy crash out and fade to the credits as we see the galaxy light up with your decision. This would allow us to create our own conclusions. The tone would be a lot more satisfying and no one would be left baffled and annoyed.

Option Instead of showing the Normandy crashing, show your entire crew back on earth watching the reapers fly away/ get destroyed/ "synced" and have a slow montage of all your beloved crew members and friends thinking about Shepard and the sacrifice he just made to save the galaxy. Have Garrus... Wrex... Miranda... Liara... Joker... etc. all thinking about you and smiling. And include a special scene for the players love interest WHOEVER THAT MIGHT BE.

Not only does option B still leave everything open to our interpretation about what happens next, but it gives Shepard and all his crew the send off they deserve... and the send off we deserve. It would have taken a lot more resources to account for all the characters that may or may not have been alive... but did we not deserve that kind of ending? If they truly did not have enough time to do something like that... well the should have delayed it more... but otherwise option A is still better than what we got.

Modifié par DemonsSouls, 11 mars 2012 - 03:11 .

[Pandaman102]

If they want to justify Joker and crew being out in the relay rather than being on Earth, trying to save Shepard or defending the Crucible, they only needed to add this into the radio chatter before Shepard waking up:

Hackett: "Major Alenko/Lieutenant-Commander Williams, what is the situation down there?"
Kaiden/Ashley: "Sir, Commander Shepard and Admiral Anderson have entered the Citadel, but the Reapers have disabled the beam, we can't follow them."
Hackett: "Understood, I'm sending the Normandy to pick your team up. The Ilos team has reported they got the Prothean relay working again, try to-"

And then people can stop scratching their heads.

[DemonsSouls]

Pandaman102 wrote...

If they want to justify Joker and crew being out in the relay rather than being on Earth, trying to save Shepard or defending the Crucible, they only needed to add this into the radio chatter before Shepard waking up:

Hackett: "Major Alenko/Lieutenant-Commander Williams, what is the situation down there?"
Kaiden/Ashley: "Sir, Commander Shepard and Admiral Anderson have entered the Citadel, but the Reapers have disabled the beam, we can't follow them."
Hackett: "Understood, I'm sending the Normandy to pick your team up. The Ilos team has reported they got the Prothean relay working again, try to-"

And then people can stop scratching their heads.

ANYTHING would have been better than just jumping right to Joker running away. Anything. I still say the whole scene was rushed and not needed at all though.

[Pandaman102]

True enough, I appreciate it for the drama, but it was horribly out of place.

[KMYash]

I would've like a 'Captain America'-esque ending. No not the part with Nick Fury, the part where his surviving team is in a bar where everyone is celebrating the end of the war but they're somber and toasting to their captain. Just imagine Earth after all the Reapers are dead, people are starting to come out of hiding and the soldiers are able to drop their guns. While every is in shock and starting to understand and celebrate, the injured crew find each other/are shown where they were fighting and they look up at the sky and think of Shep. The crew says a quick line about them. I like the idea of everyone being thankful they're alive, but the people that really knew Shepard mourning their death.

Also, just cut the Normandy crash scene. Cut and burn it

Modifié par KMYash, 11 mars 2012 - 03:40 .

[DemonsSouls]

KMYash wrote...

I would've like a 'Captain America'-esque ending. No not the part with Nick Fury, the part where his surviving team is in a bar where everyone is celebrating the end of the war but they're somber and toasting to their captain. Just imagine Earth after all the Reapers are dead, people are starting to come out of hiding and the soldiers are able to drop their guns. While every is in shock and starting to understand and celebrate, the injured crew find each other/are shown where they were fighting and they look up at the sky and think of Shep. The crew says a quick line about them. I like the idea of everyone being thankful they're alive, but the people that really knew Shepard mourning their death.

Also, just cut the Normandy crash scene. Cut and burn it

Exactly. SOMETHING like that. Anything. I'm convinced that Bioware slopped that Normndy scene together because of time contraints or they simply didn't want to put the effort into making an ending montage that had to account for who lived and who died on your playthrough. But we deserved that ending. That, or just leave it for our imagination.

[Anthony102890]

I do not want to come off as a troll though but the endings still have some major plot holes. Technically, aren't we supposed to be under the impression that if a mass relay was destroyed, the entire system is lost? There just seems to be more plot issues coupled with closure issues. My question is what can bioware really do to fix this? I mean clearly, the vast majority of us are upset with the ending. I think the original ending that was leaked would have been better. I just want to know what can actually be done. I normally don't go on forums and talk about the game but because of my love for the entire series, it has driven me to try and do something or at least connect with others. I don't know, I just wish for such a beautiful game that bioware made, it is a shame to see it fall apart in the last 10 minutes.

[BobbyTheI]

Yeah, the sad thing is, I'm fairly sure that them trying to "appeal to the fans" led to one of the hugest plot holes in the entire ending.

The whole thing about the Normandy picking up the crew for no apparent reason, and then flying away for no apparent reason, smacks to me of someone in the writer's room saying, "Well, we're leaving the possibility that Earth could be completely destroyed, but the fans will want to see their favorite characters live. So let's make them fly away and land on an idyllic paradise planet, so at least they'll make it out alive."

Which would have been fine, if the way they had done it had made the slightest amount of sense.

[killnoob]

What the ending choices should have been, without changing too much:

1. Destroy all machines including EDI and geth with the crucible. Mass relay destroyed. Shepard lives and honor the sacrifice the synthetics had to make. Aliens were able to return home safely, but shepard's LI chose to stay on earth to help rebuilding.


(Not like the current good ending in which we merely see Shepard stirs at the end, but actually walk away from all these and return to earth.The galaxy focus on rebuilding and stand united ever since. This would actually be relevant to the theme of Mass Effect, and it doesn't come without sacrifice, so probably the best ending anyone could ever hope.)

2. Control the reapers with crucible. Mass relay intact. Shepard sacrifice himself instead of EDI and the geth. Instead of harvesting civilization the reapers became the new guardians of the galaxy and watch over everyone from dark space.

(There's something poetic about shepard becomes the reapers which in term become the guardians of the galaxy instead of machines of mass destruction that i like. )

3. Not enough war asset. Crucible destroyed. Shepard dies. Everyone was out for themselves and reaper eventually consumed them all.

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but instead we got a retard cyber god child info dumping reaper's intentions and every one of his stupid solutions involve destroying the mass relays. Normandy crushed into the garden of Eve and no matter what you choose every species who stood united are left stranded on Earth feeling trolled.

GJ bioware?

Modifié par killnoob, 11 mars 2012 - 04:43 .

[Anthony102890]

BobbyTheI wrote...

Yeah, the sad thing is, I'm fairly sure that them trying to "appeal to the fans" led to one of the hugest plot holes in the entire ending.

The whole thing about the Normandy picking up the crew for no apparent reason, and then flying away for no apparent reason, smacks to me of someone in the writer's room saying, "Well, we're leaving the possibility that Earth could be completely destroyed, but the fans will want to see their favorite characters live. So let's make them fly away and land on an idyllic paradise planet, so at least they'll make it out alive."

Which would have been fine, if the way they had done it had made the slightest amount of sense.

You are absolutely correct. It is the only thing I could think of. I mean, I am not even upset that shepard died, but i mean come on...how did they go from major coates saying everyone was dead at the hand of harbinger when you run towards to the conduit (now keep in mind, I had liara and Garrus with me) and then when the normandy crashes and joker leaves with EDI (since I chose the synthesis ending) liara pops up from the Normandy....I don't know...I feel like when the writers needed to finish the game and Casey Hudson came to visit and go over a proper ending, they responded, "Can it wait? We're in the middle of some caliberations." Oh yeah, I just pulled a Garrus joke. Forgive me.

[DemonsSouls]

BobbyTheI wrote...

Yeah, the sad thing is, I'm fairly sure that them trying to "appeal to the fans" led to one of the hugest plot holes in the entire ending.

The whole thing about the Normandy picking up the crew for no apparent reason, and then flying away for no apparent reason, smacks to me of someone in the writer's room saying, "Well, we're leaving the possibility that Earth could be completely destroyed, but the fans will want to see their favorite characters live. So let's make them fly away and land on an idyllic paradise planet, so at least they'll make it out alive."

Which would have been fine, if the way they had done it had made the slightest amount of sense.

Great explination! And I wouldnt doubt it for a second if this is what actually happend. They wanted to give fans some closure only they went about it in the most confusing and unpolished way imaginable. I would much rather have nothing at all and leave it up to my imagination than have some half realized scene that only baffles and annoys me.

It's becoming more and more apparent that Bioware didn't have the time or the resources to give us a proper conclusion with scenes from all your crew that survived. They simply weren't able to create a series of scenes that accounted for all the choices each player made over the course of these three games. Is Wrex alive, is Kaiden or Ashley alive, etc... they couldn't slice indiviuals scenes for all these characters together so they threw some random scene together that makes no sense and even retcons what just happened 10 minutes ago in the same game.

Imagine if the ending was a montage of all the charcters that suvived looking up from earth, remembering Shepard. And a special scene for everyone's love interest. And then more special scenes depending on whether you cured the Krogan, saved the Geth, etc...

THAT is what we desvered. They didn't even have to be lengthy... just a few second cuts for each character/situation...