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[saeval912]

I will not be partaking in any Bioware products unless the current issue with the ending is addressed. I will also be actively encouraging my friends to play something else, to the point that I may buy extra copies of multiplayer games (not created by bioware) to persuade them.

[Kidroz]

Im down

[esideras]

If a DLC fixes the endings and they actually bring in or have to do new voice over and what not, I'm willing to pay for it. Otherwise no, we don't pay extra for bug fixes, so why should we pay for them to fix this?

[sveners]

BioWare chose this to be the end. So be it.

I have no interest in DLC taking place before. All I'd ever see is the end. And there's no coming back from what they gave us.

[Barbarossa2010]

It's pretty much a given; no pre-ending DLC. No point in it.

I mean why even bother replaying the game or the two that preceded it, knowing that at the end of it all, the only thing that awaits us is not nearly the profound ending Bioware was shooting for, but little more than a swift kick to the crotch and a BS lecture on fatalism with pigeon holed choices; instead of a more alluded to, plot-friendly ending of telling star child to take his options and shove 'em up his cosmic black hole.

Shepard, as it turns out, is little more than an arrand boy and stooge of the unknowable cosmic forces of the universe, blah, blah, blah, yawn. The end.

I've got four other Shepards that'll never see the light of day again. I'd say foregoing DLC, that in the end, only serves to extend a bad experience, is pretty much a no-brainer for me.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 19 mars 2012 - 07:27 .

[SLPr0]

As an update, with Dr. Ray's stance given today, I can respect BioWare's stance that they feel that the artistic integrity of the story should stand on how its been written, and that their response to our concerns will be addressed in new content initiatives.

That is all fine and wonderful. But, given as you have expressed your right as an artist to defend your work, I am expressing my right as a customer to no longer patronize your work as I disagree with it entirely.

Until you admit that nothing the player did in Mass Effect has any meaning beyond the Shep/TIM/Anderson scene on the Citadel just previous to the Catalyst ending, I am not interested in paying you 10 - 20 dollars a pop simply to try to make that ending more acceptable.

I retain the right to refuse to buy questionable products from a company that has abused my trust more than once.

Before I wrap this up, let me just say that I've given BioWare a lot of rope in regards to how far I'd let them go over the years. From DA2, to TOR being a complete WoW clone regardless of every bit of beta feedback that most beta testers gave indicating that being a WoW clone made the game less fun, and now the Mass Effect franchise being effectively destroyed by a ten minute ending that is not artistic in any way, but is simply a dialog wheel turned on its side and made into a physical "level" for the player to literally interact their "choice" in...in of which all choices are horrible and none of them have anything to do with who your Shepard really was, or how much military strength you had in the final conflict.

You may defend the artistic integrity of your product, it is your right, I will defend my bank account, which is my right. And any DLC from you that is targetted to attempt to smooth out the wrinkles the end of this game left in your fan base is going to cost money...and I'm afraid to say, I'm not buying.

Your company has abused my trust too many times in the last half decade or so for me to consider your statements sincere, or that your solutions to the issues your customer base has with this ending won't come without an additional price tag. And I'm sorry I already paid you an immense amount of money for several copies of ME3, getting fished in quite nicely for all your pre-release pre-order benefits and what not..all of which are worthless now.

If you think you're getting another dollar from me simply so I can "understand" your "artistic vision", you must think I'm blind and stupid.

I highly suggest that other fans of this company and this franchise make an assessment of their own willingness to trust BioWare with yet more of their money, simply so you can "understand" their "artistic vision".

Modifié par SLPr0, 22 mars 2012 - 05:31 .

[jimbo32]

I agree 100%. I suspect that Ray was basically giving the retakers a big middle finger in his statement today, so they won't be getting another nickel from me.

[SLPr0]

jimbo32 wrote...

I agree 100%. I suspect that Ray was basically giving the retakers a big middle finger in his statement today, so they won't be getting another nickel from me.

I won't assume what Dr. Ray was saying in regards to the Retake Movement.

I will simply take the statements as they are stated. The end will not be changed, it will simply be "explained".

At 10 dollars a pop. Or potentially even 30 dollars depending on the amount of content.

And I've already paid enough. Money isn't really an issue for me, I've got plenty of it, I don't really care one way or another about the money...its the principle of having to pay them simply to make the last ten minutes of ME3 stop leaving a bad taste in my mouth, that I'm not willing to do.

[Sajuro]

The Angry One wrote...

I shall state again. I will not buy. I play for the story.
The story these DLCs will provide is irrelevant. Anything you do, any success you achieve will be meaningless.
You're doing.. what? Helping people who will die.
Taking places that will be destroyed.
Gathering info that will be lost.

All because Shepard became a coward and gave up.

That's the natural path of all things, the species we know would eventually be destroyed or subsumed and all the people we help will die, I get your point but I will not join in on the boycott of DLC because I believe in the journey.

[SLPr0]

Sajuro wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I shall state again. I will not buy. I play for the story.
The story these DLCs will provide is irrelevant. Anything you do, any success you achieve will be meaningless.
You're doing.. what? Helping people who will die.
Taking places that will be destroyed.
Gathering info that will be lost.

All because Shepard became a coward and gave up.

That's the natural path of all things, the species we know would eventually be destroyed or subsumed and all the people we help will die, I get your point but I will not join in on the boycott of DLC because I believe in the journey.

Journey is over.

If you want to pay to have the end of the journey explained to you, thats your right of course. No one is complaining about the journey.  Angry is definitely one of the BSN fans I'd say has enjoyed the journey. I enjoyed the journey.

We just didn't enjoy the 5 car pile up at the end of the journey.

[CraftlordDark]

I support the no DLC politic. I already convinced some online shops in my country to delete Mass Effect 3 and the DLC from their products list to help the cause D: Lets hold the line!! D:

[alx119]

Sajuro wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I shall state again. I will not buy. I play for the story.
The story these DLCs will provide is irrelevant. Anything you do, any success you achieve will be meaningless.
You're doing.. what? Helping people who will die.
Taking places that will be destroyed.
Gathering info that will be lost.

All because Shepard became a coward and gave up.

That's the natural path of all things, the species we know would eventually be destroyed or subsumed and all the people we help will die, I get your point but I will not join in on the boycott of DLC because I believe in the journey.

Problem with the current endings, is that the "journey" of the people you love and tried to help will be cut soon. They won't have a journey. If you believe in the journey, you would see why the endings are so unfair. 
Everybody dies, we know that. But we would like an option were we don't kill everyone and let them live their lives. Afterall that was supposedly the point in all the fights throughout the Mass Effect games, to fight for them to have a chance to see a better tomorrow. 

[SLPr0]

CraftlordDark wrote...

I support the no DLC politic. I already convinced some online shops in my country to delete Mass Effect 3 and the DLC from their products list to help the cause D: Lets hold the line!! D:

This is not a movement, this is a personal decision that I am simply advising others to consider.

I have no interest in politics. I have no interest in attempting to force BioWare to kotow to my demands. I simply wish them to understand that as a customer I have rights, rights I have continually let them abuse due to my enjoyment of their products and my faith in their good name.

Mass Effect 3 is simply where I have drawn my final line. There have been too many broken promises, there have been too many marketing fiascos. There have been too many design decisions that should have been questioned and fully tested in demographic study before being released.

There has been far too much feedback (I can definitely assert this with a high level of credibility in regards to TOR as I was in an early beta wave and the final closed beta runs between June and December of last year) from players, that has been ignored in the face of their design teams believing they understand gaming better than players do.

And the defense of artistic vision is fine. I don't disagree with their right to defend that. I simply refuse to pay for bad products, nor will I pay for someone to paint over the ending of ME3 with some "additional content" that somehow makes it more acceptable.

Dr. Ray is right, the game, in total, is not bad in fact its really rather good, right up to where you find out that you could have shown up at Earth with nothing but a shuttle of senile hanar and a volus biotic god and the end would have turned out exactly the same. So much for bringing the entire galaxy along for the ride.

So again, this is not politics. Its simply common sense for me. People have a right to agree or disagree as they like and they're not wrong or right. Its just what it is.

I retain my right to disagree with their artistic vision, unfortunately the process of exercising that right means I will no longer patronize their products, which is a shame, because I liked BioWare a lot.

With that said, I'm unistalling all the Mass Effect games tonight and deleting Origin from my computer. I will simply maintain my product registrations here so I can comment on this thread as I feel the need to do so.

Far as BioWare being able to get me back as a customer goes? There is no list of demands, I will simply assess what they create, from here on out, with a very critical eye, before ever spending a dime on it.

I do, personally, hope that the standard of quality and excellence that BioWare used to stand for does eventually return to their products. And I do hope to one day, again, be a customer willing to throw money at them for anything they produce. But ME3 has changed that faith I had in them quite substantively. So only time can tell.

So, no banners, no Facebook page, no Twitter accounts, no websites....nothing. Just not one more dime from me...period. If you want to jump in and do the same, feel free. If you think I'm an idiot, thats fine too. Neither changes what I've chosen to do.

[Sajuro]

SLPr0 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

That's the natural path of all things, the species we know would eventually be destroyed or subsumed and all the people we help will die, I get your point but I will not join in on the boycott of DLC because I believe in the journey.

Journey is over.

If you want to pay to have the end of the journey explained to you, thats your right of course. No one is complaining about the journey.  Angry is definitely one of the BSN fans I'd say has enjoyed the journey. I enjoyed the journey.

We just didn't enjoy the 5 car pile up at the end of the journey.

At both you and Alx, I agree with both of you that the ending was somewhat crappy and I thank you for being polite instead of calling me a "Pro-ender" or some other nonsense. I think I have less of a reaction to it than most partly because of my acceptance that even if the current cycle was destroyed the goal was to break the cycle and my final choice (destroy) achieved that. Also fatigue from real life.
That aside, I will buy the DLC and respect you in not buying the DLC since it gives me the chance to see what people involved in the five car pile up were involved in before, kind of like the six feet under finale when it showed how everyone died.

[AgentWhite1416]

I wholeheartedly agree that games are an art form, and tampering with art rarely does any good.

However, if you're going to turn your art into a product and sell it, you have an obligation to satisfy your consumers to the best of your abilities.

How dare anyone say that BioWare is 'caving in'. BioWare is swallowing their pride and going above and beyond the call of duty to make their consumers more satisfied.

In my book that makes them heroes.

[stwu]

Gojeran wrote...

Without a doubt. Will not buy ANY dlc for this game or play it again at all until the endings are fixed with a FREE dlc that gives us Mass Effect a proper send off. Why should we have to pay to get content that the game should have shipped with, mainly an ending.

This.^
Glad to see so many taking a stand against Bioware's crap.

[calis_riakel]

After the Dr's post today. I have decided that i will not support Bioware any longer. Maybe i'm wearing rose coloured glasses about the Bioware of old, but based what i've seen these last couple of years; Bioware is now a company that at best disappoints me and at worst is just another EA puppet to gouge people like me that have been with them from the start. Constantly dumbing down the gamestyles that made them so popular (RPG) and steadily moving away from PC platform support. Over the decade plus i have been following and enjoying Bioware's games i have purchased everything except Jade Empire, and of those i have purchased, there's been multiple copies as well as recommendations to family and friends.

I will keep an eye on whatever dlc is released and if it interests me and looks like it may fix my issue with the game, i MAY purchase it as i'd pretty much expected and allowed for buying all ME 3's DLC cause i loved the series and expected 3 to be the icing on the cake. But the way i feel right now and based off what i saw in the Dr's post, if nothing's been changed by the time my 6 month TOR sub runs out, i will be cancelling that as well. Not necessarily because i think TOR's a bad game, but because i wont be supporting a company that thinks it's own **** doesn't stink and that anyone who doesn't agree isn't a true fan.

[TLK Spires]

not one red cent until i get an actual ending.

[Apatche69]

I'm in OP

[goose2989]

For me, it doesn't even have to come down to boycotting DLC. Because the ending is so bleak and dismal, I don't see the point of any story DLC. If the galaxy is going to be left in a Galactic Dark Age, why should I bother helping Aria "Take Back Omega?" Why bother with that extra mission to recruit a Prothean, when he'll only die a few months later?

[SLPr0]

AgentWhite1416 wrote...

I wholeheartedly agree that games are an art form, and tampering with art rarely does any good.

However, if you're going to turn your art into a product and sell it, you have an obligation to satisfy your consumers to the best of your abilities.

How dare anyone say that BioWare is 'caving in'. BioWare is swallowing their pride and going above and beyond the call of duty to make their consumers more satisfied.

In my book that makes them heroes.

I remember that time that Superman knocked over a building when he was fighting Luthor, and he went...oh damn and went and stopped the building from falling then asked everyone in it for five dollars each before he'd save them.

Oh wait never mind I don't remember that at all.

[Brawne]

I'm gone wait until April and see what they plan to do about this mess. If ending is not fixed there is absolutely no point buying any content DLC anymore because that retarded ending nullifies everything you did before.

[krogstor]

If they don't fix the ending, I'll not only boycott dlc, I'll boycott BW too. Top that off with the fact that they're with EA, which I've wanted a undeniable excuse to boycott for a while.

Fix it BW, or lose a fan, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[jinxter69]

I am in on this...I will not buy ANY DLC until we are given the endings that were being described prior to the game's release.

[SLPr0]

jinxter69 wrote...

I am in on this...I will not buy ANY DLC until we are given the endings that were being described prior to the game's release.

Yeah those would be nice. They sounded awesome. I was looking forward to the whole "Take Back Earth" thing their marketing blitz was selling.

If only they'd spent the money they spent on those Blur cinematics on the game itself. Maybe we'd have gotten them.