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daftPirate wrote...

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

Well someone on 4chan predicted the Kasumi and LoTSB DLC. Maybe the new guy is right with the new DLC list, if that's the case it'll be a little bit hard to boycott it OP. :P

-Polite


There was nothing on that unsubstantiated list that would mean a damn thing in regards to ME3 and how it ended.

Retake Omega with Aria? Great, who cares, its just going to get destroyed when the Omega relay's explode.


While I see what you mean about the futility of the gesture (and I also find this DLC list largely unlikely, except for the weapon and/or armor packs that are bound to come), I believe it was established somewhere that not any relay destruction would cause such a massive explosion. Unfortunately, I don't remember where or when this was said, so it may just be a wishful mis-interpretation rather than anything official.

edit: That being said, I feel kinda bad not supporting the cause, but as far as I'm concerned Mass Effect is still alive, and if future DLC/Mass Effect installments look promising, I'll be there. Good luck though, this movement seems to have quite a followin.


Lets assume that all the relays don't explode so destructively as the Bahat relay.

Theres still no relays any more everyone that wasn't at the battle at Earth is stranded.

Everyone that was at the battle at Earth is stranded.

So lets say we didn't just destroy hundreds of solar systems, what does it matter, FTL isn't getting anyone anywhere outside their resident cluster.

Thats game over, for any "galactic" civilization.

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If this ending sticks, Mass Effect is dead. Period. Sure, maybe in some 50,000 years there'll be a thriving civilisation based on new FTL tech but... who cares?
For that, you might as well let the Reapers do their job. You do not save the galaxy by crippling it for generations.

No, the ending makes everything pointless, and I will not invest in DLC with such hollow prospects.

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I've already posted how the lies are what burns me up more than anything, and I sand by that, but I was premature to say I'll never buy another BW product. I'm just taking a "show me, don't tell me" approach from here on.

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The Angry One wrote...

If this ending sticks, Mass Effect is dead. Period. Sure, maybe in some 50,000 years there'll be a thriving civilisation based on new FTL tech but... who cares?
For that, you might as well let the Reapers do their job. You do not save the galaxy by crippling it for generations.

No, the ending makes everything pointless, and I will not invest in DLC with such hollow prospects.


That was pretty much my feeling on it as well. Why did I just spend the last six years attempting to save the galaxy from the Reapers? The galaxy had a better chance of spending the next few hundred years at least attempting to fight to survive rather than my one decision dooming all of them regardless.

Who knows in the few hundred years of "reaping" maybe a better plan than the "Crucible" would have been devised? A desperate fight for a few hundred years is better than being doomed to a dark age by the very "hero" that was supposed to save you from that desperate fight.

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Seriously, they can not make an ending DLC and ask you to pay for it, it's ridiculous. If you buy a game it better have a beginning middle and end. They ****ed up the ending, true, but can you imagine if game developers start to intentionally withhold good endings for DLC: "well we gave you an ending, fork over $5.99 for a happy ending that you always wanted!"

You think this is bad now? if they announce later that they have post ending DLCs ready to go and planned from the beginning, the fans will explode.

Edit: Beside, I saw what I saw when i beat the game, so unless the DLC comes with selective amnesia, it's not going to make any difference to me.

Modifié par pprrff, 11 mars 2012 - 07:22 .


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I won't be buying any of the DLC and the story killed the whole series for me.
In fact the series itself has dropped out of my top 30 games of all time, hell probably even top 50.
They were located at number one before.
Even if they secure a patch to fix the endings and charge for it, I won't buy it.
Unless it is free I am done.
My brainless brother in law did show me something, he sits around playing call of duty for hours on end.
I have managed to do this with mass effect 3 multiplayer and pretend the single player game doesn't exist.
I just pretend, I'm with a alliance team on a deep space mission to secure the lives of civilians and key alliance military points by destroying reaper agents.
That way I get to take out my rage as a POed Krogan.
I paid 80 dollars for this cleveland steamer, I might as well try to take something positive out of it and get my money's worth.
People complained heavily about multiplayer and in a way it's better than the single player campaign.
The lack of emotional investment towards the story, is in all reality is the biggest advantage.
So pulling a Call of duty, turning your brain off and not thinking of the letdown endings, while killing stuff, does help at bit.

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pprrff wrote...

Seriously, they can not make an ending DLC and ask you to pay for it, it's ridiculous. If you buy a game it better have a beginning middle and end. They ****ed up the ending, true, but can you imagine if game developers start to intentionally withhold good endings for DLC: "well we gave you an ending, fork over $5.99 for a happy ending that you always wanted!"

You think this is bad now? if they announce later that they have post ending DLCs ready to go and planned from the beginning, the fans will explode.


Actually if they made an ending DLC and asked you to pay for it there could be serious legal ramification to doing so.

They cannot charge us to retcon the ending. They could legitimately be sued for doing so.

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I still have hope for Mass Effect as of now. I honestly had no problem with the endings and how they were, just a little disappointed in the lack of information about what followed in the universe after I made my decision. From a writers standpoint, Bioware still has a lot they could work with with the story with the future DLC and they even stated as much (especially if the rumor that the given ending was simply a hallucination as many of the threads on here state). Mike Gamble, Mass Effect's Associate producer, was quoted as saying "Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, well - hold onto your copy of me3 forever." after he saw the reaction to the games ending on the forums.

I, personally, have yet to be actually disappointed in anything Bioware has done yet so I am giving them time to see what happens. Honestly, in my opinion, boycotting a Video Game is kind of pointless (and a tad bit ridiculous.) as I am most definitely sure that there are more important things going on in the world then how Mass Effect ended. If the DLC isn't that important to you, then don't get it, but I know that I will be no matter what because I like it for what it is and I at least had fun, and there is not anything wrong with that. Not trying to start anything here, just giving my two cents. :)

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i bet there would be more people on this web site talking about the crapy ending if it wasn't for the face import bug...alot of people r just sticking with multi player and not playing ME3 single player story at all

its sad...really sad to this happen

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I'm with you on this OP, if the endings are not fixed BW won't get my money anymore.

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neofayyt25 wrote...

I still have hope for Mass Effect as of now. I honestly had no problem with the endings and how they were, just a little disappointed in the lack of information about what followed in the universe after I made my decision. From a writers standpoint, Bioware still has a lot they could work with with the story with the future DLC and they even stated as much (especially if the rumor that the given ending was simply a hallucination as many of the threads on here state). Mike Gamble, Mass Effect's Associate producer, was quoted as saying "Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, well - hold onto your copy of me3 forever." after he saw the reaction to the games ending on the forums.

I, personally, have yet to be actually disappointed in anything Bioware has done yet so I am giving them time to see what happens. Honestly, in my opinion, boycotting a Video Game is kind of pointless (and a tad bit ridiculous.) as I am most definitely sure that there are more important things going on in the world then how Mass Effect ended. If the DLC isn't that important to you, then don't get it, but I know that I will be no matter what because I like it for what it is and I at least had fun, and there is not anything wrong with that. Not trying to start anything here, just giving my two cents. :)


The problem is unless the stuff they're planning somehow undoes the catastrophic death stroke to the entire galaxy the hackneyed "three ending" decision choice at the end causes, then none of it matters.

Any "pre-final battle DLC" for this title is irrelevent because the final battle is a no-win scenario for the entire galaxy.

The only "post final battle" DLC they could possibly produce is having everyone running around on ruined planets trying to survive post galactic apocalypse. What is that? Fallout Effect?

Maybe instead of hinting at their plans they should show us the plans so we can make sense of a gaming experience that went from the most incredible story ever told in video game format, to the single most traumatizing virtual experience anyone could endure.

There is a difference between dark finales and hopeless ones. And if the "Winter Space" ending was supposed to give us hope, I'm afraid to say it did not, all it established for me is that hundreds, if not thousands of years may have passed, and intelligent life was still standing on isolated worlds, unable to reach each out beyond their own solar systems again.

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I won't boycott Bioware because of poor writing, plothole-ridden and insulting or not. It's not hard to move on, at least for me. I didn't like it, but I'm not going to act like how Joker described Garrus in Mass Effect 1.

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Already doing this, and I won't buy a single thing Bioware ever make again after this, unless they man/woman up, admit they miscalculated, and give us better endings.

It's a shame too, because I really wanted Javik, but ah we'll.

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SLPr0 wrote...

neofayyt25 wrote...

I still have hope for Mass Effect as of now. I honestly had no problem with the endings and how they were, just a little disappointed in the lack of information about what followed in the universe after I made my decision. From a writers standpoint, Bioware still has a lot they could work with with the story with the future DLC and they even stated as much (especially if the rumor that the given ending was simply a hallucination as many of the threads on here state). Mike Gamble, Mass Effect's Associate producer, was quoted as saying "Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, well - hold onto your copy of me3 forever." after he saw the reaction to the games ending on the forums.

I, personally, have yet to be actually disappointed in anything Bioware has done yet so I am giving them time to see what happens. Honestly, in my opinion, boycotting a Video Game is kind of pointless (and a tad bit ridiculous.) as I am most definitely sure that there are more important things going on in the world then how Mass Effect ended. If the DLC isn't that important to you, then don't get it, but I know that I will be no matter what because I like it for what it is and I at least had fun, and there is not anything wrong with that. Not trying to start anything here, just giving my two cents. :)


The problem is unless the stuff they're planning somehow undoes the catastrophic death stroke to the entire galaxy the hackneyed "three ending" decision choice at the end causes, then none of it matters.

Any "pre-final battle DLC" for this title is irrelevent because the final battle is a no-win scenario for the entire galaxy.

The only "post final battle" DLC they could possibly produce is having everyone running around on ruined planets trying to survive post galactic apocalypse. What is that? Fallout Effect?

Maybe instead of hinting at their plans they should show us the plans so we can make sense of a gaming experience that went from the most incredible story ever told in video game format, to the single most traumatizing virtual experience anyone could endure.

There is a difference between dark finales and hopeless ones. And if the "Winter Space" ending was supposed to give us hope, I'm afraid to say it did not, all it established for me is that hundreds, if not thousands of years may have passed, and intelligent life was still standing on isolated worlds, unable to reach each out beyond their own solar systems again.


To that retort, I will leave a link to this thread. It's very inspiring for people who don't wish to hate-monger and for people who actually care. If you really don't care then why are you even posting about it anymore? Just go play another game that isn't a mass effect if that makes you happy. Everyone has their opinions.

http://social.biowar...index/9727423/1

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I shall state again. I will not buy. I play for the story.
The story these DLCs will provide is irrelevant. Anything you do, any success you achieve will be meaningless.
You're doing.. what? Helping people who will die.
Taking places that will be destroyed.
Gathering info that will be lost.

All because Shepard became a coward and gave up.


This is why I won't ever touch ME games again, besides the MP, since that really has little connection to the SP.

Also, judging by you name, your sig, your avatar, and this message, I am gonna go out on a limb and say your a renegade shep, ain't ya?

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Total Biscuit wrote...

Already doing this, and I won't buy a single thing Bioware ever make again after this, unless they man/woman up, admit they miscalculated, and give us better endings.

It's a shame too, because I really wanted Javik, but ah we'll.


I didn't really agree with you on your pre-release DLC rants. But then again I got From Ashes with my pre-order so it wasn't as relevant to me as this is.

Simple facts are they ended the Mass Effect franchise with this final game. The endings couldn't be any more final unless they just literally put up a black screen after the "Winter Space" cinematic and it had "No Seriously, Its Over....we're done with this franchise", written out on it in huge 72 point font.

The game is over. Why should I buy anything else?

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I won't buy ANY mass effect 3 DLC until they release a patch or DLC that gives us extra endings.

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neofayyt25 wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...

neofayyt25 wrote...

I still have hope for Mass Effect as of now. I honestly had no problem with the endings and how they were, just a little disappointed in the lack of information about what followed in the universe after I made my decision. From a writers standpoint, Bioware still has a lot they could work with with the story with the future DLC and they even stated as much (especially if the rumor that the given ending was simply a hallucination as many of the threads on here state). Mike Gamble, Mass Effect's Associate producer, was quoted as saying "Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, well - hold onto your copy of me3 forever." after he saw the reaction to the games ending on the forums.

I, personally, have yet to be actually disappointed in anything Bioware has done yet so I am giving them time to see what happens. Honestly, in my opinion, boycotting a Video Game is kind of pointless (and a tad bit ridiculous.) as I am most definitely sure that there are more important things going on in the world then how Mass Effect ended. If the DLC isn't that important to you, then don't get it, but I know that I will be no matter what because I like it for what it is and I at least had fun, and there is not anything wrong with that. Not trying to start anything here, just giving my two cents. :)


The problem is unless the stuff they're planning somehow undoes the catastrophic death stroke to the entire galaxy the hackneyed "three ending" decision choice at the end causes, then none of it matters.

Any "pre-final battle DLC" for this title is irrelevent because the final battle is a no-win scenario for the entire galaxy.

The only "post final battle" DLC they could possibly produce is having everyone running around on ruined planets trying to survive post galactic apocalypse. What is that? Fallout Effect?

Maybe instead of hinting at their plans they should show us the plans so we can make sense of a gaming experience that went from the most incredible story ever told in video game format, to the single most traumatizing virtual experience anyone could endure.

There is a difference between dark finales and hopeless ones. And if the "Winter Space" ending was supposed to give us hope, I'm afraid to say it did not, all it established for me is that hundreds, if not thousands of years may have passed, and intelligent life was still standing on isolated worlds, unable to reach each out beyond their own solar systems again.


To that retort, I will leave a link to this thread. It's very inspiring for people who don't wish to hate-monger and for people who actually care. If you really don't care then why are you even posting about it anymore? Just go play another game that isn't a mass effect if that makes you happy. Everyone has their opinions.

http://social.biowar...index/9727423/1


I'm not hate mongering. I loved Mass Effect. Thats why I'm posting this. I loved Mass Effect 3 too, all the way up to the last twenty minutes, where the entire series suddenly boiled down to a writer putting a figurative stake in its chest and killing it dead.

Its a damn shame too because they put so much effort into combining the elements of ME and ME2 that we liked to come up with what I thought was a damn fine game dynamics system  that they could get a ton of mileage out of.

But you can't get any mileage out of anything if theres no more road to travel down. And these endings literally are the end of the road.

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This is my plan as well, and I bought all the ME2 DLC except for a couple appearance packs.

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I probably won't buy another Bioware product at all to be honest. Combine DA2, ME3, and SWTOR and I'm left with a very bitter taste in my mouth.

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SLPr0 wrote...

neofayyt25 wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...

neofayyt25 wrote...

I still have hope for Mass Effect as of now. I honestly had no problem with the endings and how they were, just a little disappointed in the lack of information about what followed in the universe after I made my decision. From a writers standpoint, Bioware still has a lot they could work with with the story with the future DLC and they even stated as much (especially if the rumor that the given ending was simply a hallucination as many of the threads on here state). Mike Gamble, Mass Effect's Associate producer, was quoted as saying "Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, well - hold onto your copy of me3 forever." after he saw the reaction to the games ending on the forums.

I, personally, have yet to be actually disappointed in anything Bioware has done yet so I am giving them time to see what happens. Honestly, in my opinion, boycotting a Video Game is kind of pointless (and a tad bit ridiculous.) as I am most definitely sure that there are more important things going on in the world then how Mass Effect ended. If the DLC isn't that important to you, then don't get it, but I know that I will be no matter what because I like it for what it is and I at least had fun, and there is not anything wrong with that. Not trying to start anything here, just giving my two cents. :)


The problem is unless the stuff they're planning somehow undoes the catastrophic death stroke to the entire galaxy the hackneyed "three ending" decision choice at the end causes, then none of it matters.

Any "pre-final battle DLC" for this title is irrelevent because the final battle is a no-win scenario for the entire galaxy.

The only "post final battle" DLC they could possibly produce is having everyone running around on ruined planets trying to survive post galactic apocalypse. What is that? Fallout Effect?

Maybe instead of hinting at their plans they should show us the plans so we can make sense of a gaming experience that went from the most incredible story ever told in video game format, to the single most traumatizing virtual experience anyone could endure.

There is a difference between dark finales and hopeless ones. And if the "Winter Space" ending was supposed to give us hope, I'm afraid to say it did not, all it established for me is that hundreds, if not thousands of years may have passed, and intelligent life was still standing on isolated worlds, unable to reach each out beyond their own solar systems again.


To that retort, I will leave a link to this thread. It's very inspiring for people who don't wish to hate-monger and for people who actually care. If you really don't care then why are you even posting about it anymore? Just go play another game that isn't a mass effect if that makes you happy. Everyone has their opinions.

http://social.biowar...index/9727423/1


I'm not hate mongering. I loved Mass Effect. Thats why I'm posting this. I loved Mass Effect 3 too, all the way up to the last twenty minutes, where the entire series suddenly boiled down to a writer putting a figurative stake in its chest and killing it dead.

Its a damn shame too because they put so much effort into combining the elements of ME and ME2 that we liked to come up with what I thought was a damn fine game dynamics system  that they could get a ton of mileage out of.

But you can't get any mileage out of anything if theres no more road to travel down. And these endings literally are the end of the road.


Hallucination is a very strong theory going around and is shown in that link I posted. Let me post the recap from the thread here.


recap:

Thought on the ending:

1. The endgame scenario is
Indoctrination/Manipulation from the Reapers (Harbinger) trying to force
you into choosing to let the Reapers live. Shepard is not awake during
the final sceens!

2. Choosing to control the Reapers allows them to live. Reapers win. They will still exist.

3. Choosing to combine organic and synthetic life: Reapers win. They will still exist.

4. Choosing to destroy all synthetic life: Reapers loose. Shepard lives. Reapers die.

5.
Choosing to destroy all synthetic life option is more Renegade in
appearence. Controlling the Reapers is more Paragon in appearence. The
Illusive Man's choice should not be Paragon colors, just as Anderson's
choice should not be Renegade.

6. Shepard awakes at the end of
destroying Reapers. But Shepard is not awaking from the aftermath. He is
awaking from either after he is hit by Harbingers lazer attack on Earth
or after the scene with Anderson and the Illusive Man.

7.
Stating that all sythetic life will be destroyed will give you pause;
destroying the Geth can force you to a different conclusion. This choice
exists for the illusion of choice; the other choices are ment to sound
better.

8. Shepard does not awake in the other 2 "endings"
because you are fully indoctrinated by the choices you made to allow the
Reapers to win. "Assuming Control!"

9. Never trust any child construct, be it a ghost or artificial intelligence, or heck even human. They are just creepy.

10. Shepard awakes at the end because he has broken hold of the Reaper's control.

11.
Shepard has spent alot of time around Reapers. Soveriegn, various
Reaper artifacts, the Human Reaper, 2 Reaper destroyers, the Artifact
from "The Arrival." Its foolish to assume there is not some level of
indoctrination.

12. Bioware not only get more $$$ for DLC for the
final battle, but big props for INDOCTRINATING A LOT OF ITS OWN
PLAYERS! I do not know of another gaming company that has tried to fool
all of its consumers, but they look to be the first and reap all of the
attention.

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Note that it was not a recap created by me but someone else on that thread I linked to. It has a bunch of interesting ideas that I believe could be possible especially from a writers standpoint.

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neofayyt25 wrote...

Note that it was not a recap created by me but someone else on that thread I linked to. It has a bunch of interesting ideas that I believe could be possible especially from a writers standpoint.


Right I've been keeping up with the hallucination/indoctrination theories as well.

And sure they could be a viable "out" for BioWare to take to recoup the series.

The issue is no one knows what they really plan to do, and right now almost everyone can agree that the end of ME3 is about as near to traumatic experience as one can get in a virtual experience.

Maybe they'll throw something out there that makes me go "OH NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE", but right now nothing makes sense. And the "leaked" DLC details that showed up about pre-final battle DLC's is just not going to cut it for me, and may not for a lot of other people, because theres simply no point in investing yourself in retaking Omega from Cerberus for Aria when in the end, none of its going to matter anyways.

I hope the hallucination/indoctrination theories are right. But right now they don't have a lot of solid ground under their hypotheses as compared to the very real evidence that it appears that BioWare truly ended this intellectual property in its totality, rather than simply ending the Shepard arc within it.

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SLPr0 wrote...

neofayyt25 wrote...

Note that it was not a recap created by me but someone else on that thread I linked to. It has a bunch of interesting ideas that I believe could be possible especially from a writers standpoint.


Right I've been keeping up with the hallucination/indoctrination theories as well.

And sure they could be a viable "out" for BioWare to take to recoup the series.

The issue is no one knows what they really plan to do, and right now almost everyone can agree that the end of ME3 is about as near to traumatic experience as one can get in a virtual experience.

Maybe they'll throw something out there that makes me go "OH NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE", but right now nothing makes sense. And the "leaked" DLC details that showed up about pre-final battle DLC's is just not going to cut it for me, and may not for a lot of other people, because theres simply no point in investing yourself in retaking Omega from Cerberus for Aria when in the end, none of its going to matter anyways.

I hope the hallucination/indoctrination theories are right. But right now they don't have a lot of solid ground under their hypotheses as compared to the very real evidence that it appears that BioWare truly ended this intellectual property in its totality, rather than simply ending the Shepard arc within it.


your argument is understandable and I can respect it. I just had a fun ride and enjoyed the game for what it is like I enjoyed the other games. As a writer myself, I try not to judge other writers for their endings untill I know exactly what they were thinking and what they plan to do. I'll get the DLC anyways because I enjoy just playing the game.

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neofayyt25 wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...

neofayyt25 wrote...

Note that it was not a recap created by me but someone else on that thread I linked to. It has a bunch of interesting ideas that I believe could be possible especially from a writers standpoint.


Right I've been keeping up with the hallucination/indoctrination theories as well.

And sure they could be a viable "out" for BioWare to take to recoup the series.

The issue is no one knows what they really plan to do, and right now almost everyone can agree that the end of ME3 is about as near to traumatic experience as one can get in a virtual experience.

Maybe they'll throw something out there that makes me go "OH NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE", but right now nothing makes sense. And the "leaked" DLC details that showed up about pre-final battle DLC's is just not going to cut it for me, and may not for a lot of other people, because theres simply no point in investing yourself in retaking Omega from Cerberus for Aria when in the end, none of its going to matter anyways.

I hope the hallucination/indoctrination theories are right. But right now they don't have a lot of solid ground under their hypotheses as compared to the very real evidence that it appears that BioWare truly ended this intellectual property in its totality, rather than simply ending the Shepard arc within it.


your argument is understandable and I can respect it. I just had a fun ride and enjoyed the game for what it is like I enjoyed the other games. As a writer myself, I try not to judge other writers for their endings untill I know exactly what they were thinking and what they plan to do. I'll get the DLC anyways because I enjoy just playing the game.


I'm not a professional writer, but as I stated in a previous response, even I know the difference between bleak and hopeless finales.

This was hopeless. Everything you fought for was destroyed, even though you won. Its not just Shepard losing his own life/everyone he cares about, he literally does, in an instant, what would have taken the Reapers "Hundreds of years" according to Javik. And destroys around 70% of the known galaxy with a single decision that was supposed to save that galaxy.

Whats left of the galaxy reveres him as a legend for all time after? I'm sorry but given the collateral damage if I was one of those people I'd remember him as an extremely short sighted war criminal. Not a legend.