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[VerdantSF]

It was established in the Arrival DLC that mass relays explode with the force of super novas.  So did I just wipe out not only Earth, but all the homeworlds of every allied species with a mass relay in its star system ? 

[QuarianHIV]

BW's deploying their usual propaganda scrubs to tell everyone that the relays didn't 'explode'.

Watch for it. Here they come!

[Rhayth]

It's a conspiracy...ya know like the Illuminati

[aderynbrea]

I believe magic has been used to explain this. Shame.

[eye basher]

they didn't explode they relesed an energy wave desiged to destroy anything with reaper tech.

[Biotic Sage]

Deactivating the relays through the Crucible seems far different than ramming an asteroid in it to me. Not once did I think it was going to be a repeat of the Batarian system in "Arrival" when I was playing through the ending. People will look for every little window of opportunity to criticize.

[Solduri]

QuarianHIV wrote...

BW's deploying their usual propaganda scrubs to tell everyone that the relays didn't 'explode'.

Watch for it. Here they come!

boy you called it LOL

[BlackDragonBane]

If you compare the two scenes from Arrival and ME3, the explosions of the Mass Relay are different. The Arrival explosion was literally a super nova that sent energy, radiation and a ton of debris flying everywhere.

On the other hand, the ME3 was a more controlled explosion and many of the fragments were consumed in the explosion radius before they went flying off so not an impossible guess that there was much less damage than Arrival would suggest.

[Lyrandori]

To be honest I don't think that the Mass Relays exploded, I think that they have been deactivated permanently, or made "inert". The energy we see traveling around the galaxy via the relays network I believe is just that, the energy that passes through the whole network to disable it, but the physical relays themselves remain where they are, they just turn off perhaps forever.

The goal of the endings that we have (I don't like them, but if the goal anyhow) is to ensure that whatever civilization can "survive" after the endings will have to find "their own way" over time (thousands of years surely). If, or whenever space travel becomes wide spread again one day then it won't have been done via the mass relays even if they are still physically there, but done via a way that one or more civilizations will fabric on their own, perhaps another network, perhaps a mimic of the relays network, but made out of a technology created by the civilizations themselves, and not the Reapers.

That's how I see it anyway. But I repeat, I don't like it anyhow, but given what we have then that's what I understand of it.

[raeting]

Shepard is shown alive, in rubble, after the mass relay explodes if you choose the destruction option and have a very high EMS. So, no, not the same explosion, systems still exist. Most likely. I wouldn't stake my life on it, but that seems to be the intent of the writers.

Had I not seen that scene, then I would have thought the same as you because the blast wave trashes the Normandy.

Modifié par raeting, 11 mars 2012 - 03:46 .

[Hizuka]

Lyrandori wrote...

To be honest I don't think that the Mass Relays exploded, I think that they have been deactivated permanently, or made "inert". The energy we see traveling around the galaxy via the relays network I believe is just that, the energy that passes through the whole network to disable it, but the physical relays themselves remain where they are, they just turn off perhaps forever.

The goal of the endings that we have (I don't like them, but if the goal anyhow) is to ensure that whatever civilization can "survive" after the endings will have to find "their own way" over time (thousands of years surely). If, or whenever space travel becomes wide spread again one day then it won't have been done via the mass relays even if they are still physically there, but done via a way that one or more civilizations will fabric on their own, perhaps another network, perhaps a mimic of the relays network, but made out of a technology created by the civilizations themselves, and not the Reapers.

That's how I see it anyway. But I repeat, I don't like it anyhow, but given what we have then that's what I understand of it.

You may want to re-watch the ending.  With the pieces of relay flying every which way, followed by what certainly LOOKS like an explosive energy burst, I call that an explosion.  I guess you could refer to it as being 'rendered inert in the most violent way imaginable' instead, though.  

[devSin]

Lyrandori wrote...

To be honest I don't think that the Mass Relays exploded, I think that they have been deactivated permanently, or made "inert". The energy we see traveling around the galaxy via the relays network I believe is just that, the energy that passes through the whole network to disable it, but the physical relays themselves remain where they are, they just turn off perhaps forever.

Uh, what? Pieces of the Charon relay clearly explode. Its rings stop spinning, and they go flying off into space shortly after.

I could see you saying the Citadel may not actually explode, but the relay? We clearly see it get blown apart. There's no indication that the same isn't true for all the other relays.

That said, the inconsistency can be handwaved away as a difference between crashing a small planetoid into an active relay and whatever method was used to destroy all the relays in the end.

Modifié par devSin, 11 mars 2012 - 03:51 .

[Almostfaceman]

Yes, by Shepard's point of view, destroying the mass relay system, as Reaper Genie (Behold My Three Lame Wishes, Mortal!) advocates, would in his experience result in devastating cataclysm solar-system destroying explosions. But, thanks to the poor exposition of the ending, we don't even get to ask about this and we're not shown what happens to the relays except they're bright dots on a far-away view of the galaxy, one after another. Like explosions.

[dslmc]

Why would the God kid specifically mention killing the geth during the red ending, unless they would otherwise live (and not be killed by the relays)? So I figure the mass relays just blew up, not went super nova-everyone-dies-kaboom.

[SandTrout]

The Relays were undoubtedly destroyed. However, because their destruction took place in a manner far more controlled than crashing a asteroid into it, it's perfecting reasonable to believe that they did not detonate in the same manner as we saw in Arrival.

Of my many problems with the ending (the destruction of the infrastructure represented by the Relays among them), this was not actually one of them.

[Almostfaceman]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Deactivating the relays through the Crucible seems far different than ramming an asteroid in it to me. Not once did I think it was going to be a repeat of the Batarian system in "Arrival" when I was playing through the ending. People will look for every little window of opportunity to criticize.

Dude, I clearly did not buy TWO copies of this game, one for myself and one for my son, so I could bounce about on some forum and find things to nit-pick about. Quite characterizing people who disagree with you in a negative light - I haven't done it to you.

[Lyrandori]

Ooooh, my bad lol, I forgot about that mass relay exploding, it was the Charon relay then? I see, yeah thing is the ending depressed me so much that I refused to look at it again since I completed the game about two days ago, I forgot completely about that part. Well, they exploded then... that's bad. But in any case really, explosions or not, the goal is to ensure that civilizations find their own way.

Now, the problem is... if the relays exploded and each of them destroyed the star system they were located in... then it means that a lot of systems (thousands?) in the galaxy were destroyed, including Sol, therefore including Earth (hug... what a horrible ending). Now, the galaxy is big, there's millions of other systems in which there might have been zero relays, always isolated from the network that we don't know of. From those systems then maybe some civilizations will continue to flourish happily ever after... let's hope.

[Rhayth]

Once more this isn't something that should be speculated on. Mass Relay is ultimately an super atomic bomb any kind of DETONATION, and it wasn't a small one, would basically mean game over man.

Like someone said up top the excuse is that God-Child "Destroyed" them in such a fashion that they didn't wipe out all life.

And yes "destroyed" is confirmed for those of you "How do you know they were destroyed?" Because it was confirmed that the destruction of the Mass Relays "freed" organics from Reaper control. Basically my toy, and i'm bringing it home.

[Evindell]

Lyrandori wrote...

Ooooh, my bad lol, I forgot about that mass relay exploding, it was the Charon relay then? I see, yeah thing is the ending depressed me so much that I refused to look at it again since I completed the game about two days ago, I forgot completely about that part. Well, they exploded then... that's bad. But in any case really, explosions or not, the goal is to ensure that civilizations find their own way.

Now, the problem is... if the relays exploded and each of them destroyed the star system they were located in... then it means that a lot of systems (thousands?) in the galaxy were destroyed, including Sol, therefore including Earth (hug... what a horrible ending). Now, the galaxy is big, there's millions of other systems in which there might have been zero relays, always isolated from the network that we don't know of. From those systems then maybe some civilizations will continue to flourish happily ever after... let's hope.

But then, how do they know of Shepard? If they weren't advanced enough to have a stake in the battle against the Reapers, and were removed enough from the center of the Galaxy not to witness the battle, how do they know Shepard ended it? (as expressed in the "Stargazer" epilogue)

[-Merk-]

Since I played ME3 totally blind and avoided anything related to it on the internet before playing I can say this with certainty. I watched the end convinced I was watching all the relays blow up in supernova. In fact, I assumed I had screwed up and got the worst ending. 5 minutes of goggling made me realize I had made a mistake alright. My mistake was pre-ordering the game!

[dabull1014]

The relay does visibly "explode" but you can see Alliance soldiers alive and waving their guns in the air after the Reaper-destroying shockwave has passed through them, so I don't think it actually caused any damage to anything other than the relays themselves.

[Luigitornado]

If the exploding relays did not super nova, then maybe it was a more controlled explosion.

That's the only logical way to explain this if it is a plot hole. When we destroyed the other relay we did it unconventionally with an Asteroid.