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[The Angry One]

Well it's all stupid but...

How does this break the "inevitability" of organics being killed by synthetics?
Yeah you set galactic progress back 50,000 years and a lot of societies are going to flat out die in isolated systems but let's say eventually somebody rebuilds and gradually progresses with technology.
What's stopping them from creating an AI? And said AI goes bananas and kills them all?

Oh "they won't progress as they have before what with being guided" well if that was the problem, WHY WERE YOU GUIDING THEM, IDIOT KID?

[soundwave145]

the matrix has you Shepard...

[fish of doom]

i've been saying this repeatedly.

goes double for the synthesis ending, since it's a terminology fail and changes something that is completely unrelated to the stated problem.

[lady winde]

Sometimes a kid just likes to play with their toys.

But yeah. Totally get what you mean.

[Biotic Sage]

It doesn't mean that Shepard is accepting the Catalyst's "organics will be destroyed by synthetics" assertion. By doing the destruction ending, Shepard is rejecting the Catalyst's assertion that this is an inevitable eventuality.

By doing the Synthesis ending, you are accepting the assertion and altering the paradigm of synthetic/organic life in order to change the rules.

I hope some people read this, because this fact is failing to reach many people who are unhappy with the ending.  Hopefully you read this and will be happier.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 11 mars 2012 - 03:38 .

[BrotherFluffy]

Unless you pick the Synthesis option(which is just as dumb and confusing as the rest of the finale), you don't. You break the REAPER'S cycle, but there's nothing to stop it from happening again.

[fish of doom]

Biotic Sage wrote...

It doesn't mean that Shepard is accepting the Catalyst's "organics will be destroyed by synthetics" assertion. By doing the destruction ending, Shepard is rejecting the Catalyst's assertion that this is an inevitable eventuality.

By doing the Synthesis ending, you are accepting the assertion and altering the paradigm of synthetic/organic life in order to change the rules.

I hope some people read this, because this fact is failing to reach many people who are unhappy with the ending.  Hopefully you read this and will be happier.

actually the synthesis option does not address that, because what it actually changes affects the wrong definition of "synthetic".

[Solduri]

fish of doom wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

It doesn't mean that Shepard is accepting the Catalyst's "organics will be destroyed by synthetics" assertion. By doing the destruction ending, Shepard is rejecting the Catalyst's assertion that this is an inevitable eventuality.

By doing the Synthesis ending, you are accepting the assertion and altering the paradigm of synthetic/organic life in order to change the rules.

I hope some people read this, because this fact is failing to reach many people who are unhappy with the ending.  Hopefully you read this and will be happier.

actually the synthesis option does not address that, because what it actually changes affects the wrong definition of "synthetic".

but what about space magic?!?!

[fish of doom]

what i mean is ASIDE from the space magic

synthetic means artificial, not non-organic. the catalyst talks about synthetic life-forms (ie ones that were created by pre-existing life-forms) destroying "organics" (ie species that were not created from scratch by other species). in the solution, it uses space magic and makes all life-forms half-organic, half-inorganic, which only affects their internal composition, and not the destructive creator/created dynamics that it claims will lead to the extinction of non-synthetic life. besides that dynamic was already disproved hours earlier by shepards who united the geth and quarians.

[vigna]

Why would Shepard even listen to that spooky little kid at all? Why? Because none of the squaddies are with you at the end which, yet again, forces a decision that is illogical upon us. I took Edi with me just for that reason...explaining something my Shep would be unsure of....nope...no Edi.. Grrrrrr.

[Deztyn]

In Control you have Reaper Back-up just in case.


Go Blue.

[The Angry One]

Biotic Sage wrote...

It doesn't mean that Shepard is accepting the Catalyst's "organics will be destroyed by synthetics" assertion. By doing the destruction ending, Shepard is rejecting the Catalyst's assertion that this is an inevitable eventuality.

Wrong. Shepard is flat out accepting the idiot kid's claims and destruction is the most unilateral way, by destroying all synthetics, including the Geth who are helping to save Earth. It is the most vile and in bad faith of the endings.

By doing the Synthesis ending, you are accepting the assertion and altering the paradigm of synthetic/organic life in order to change the rules.

Except you are not changing the rules. You are merely fusing the current synthetics with organics.
Just exactly what is stopping the hybrids from creating new pure synthetics? Absolutely nothing.

I hope some people read this, because this fact is failing to reach many people who are unhappy with the ending.  Hopefully you read this and will be happier.

Nope, sorry. All 3 choices involve giving up and kowtowing to the genocidal monster's non-logic. None are a rejection. The only rejection would be to make this little creep see he's wrong.

[The Angry One]

Deztyn wrote...

In Control you have Reaper Back-up just in case.


Go Blue.

Hm, yes. I suppose you're right. But this option essentially makes Shepard the monster and the entire trilogy even more irrelevant than the other two.

[lasertank]

Biotic Sage wrote...

It doesn't mean that Shepard is accepting the Catalyst's "organics will be destroyed by synthetics" assertion. By doing the destruction ending, Shepard is rejecting the Catalyst's assertion that this is an inevitable eventuality.

By doing the Synthesis ending, you are accepting the assertion and altering the paradigm of synthetic/organic life in order to change the rules.

I hope some people read this, because this fact is failing to reach many people who are unhappy with the ending.  Hopefully you read this and will be happier.

No. It's wrong. DESTROY ending means to kill the Geth, EDI, and any other synthetic life forms in the universe. This is betrayal, especially for a Shepard just resolved conflict between Geth and Quarian. How is the destruction ending is ever the way to disprove Catalyst's assertion? You actually destory synthetics to prevent the war! You contradict yourself here.

Don't get me start with the synthesis ending. Why does Shepard have to dissolve himself? Is there anything special in his DNA? Why him? What roles do human play in the action? If the action is the ultimate solution, why had not it been done before? Why now and here? We are trapped by the very limited choices Bioware gave us, and they don't come with reason and logic.

[Deztyn]

The Angry One wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

In Control you have Reaper Back-up just in case.


Go Blue.

Hm, yes. I suppose you're right. But this option essentially makes Shepard the monster and the entire trilogy even more irrelevant than the other two.

Lies.

It is Blue and therefore the correct choice. As always.

Modifié par Deztyn, 11 mars 2012 - 04:13 .

[Adamantium93]

I think I'd keep Reaper control IF it didn't destroy the mass relays and it was explained in a way that made sense because I always imagined that one end would see Shep become a Reaper.

[fish of doom]

Deztyn wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

In Control you have Reaper Back-up just in case.


Go Blue.

Hm, yes. I suppose you're right. But this option essentially makes Shepard the monster and the entire trilogy even more irrelevant than the other two.

Lies.

It is Blue and therefore the correct choice. As always.

the true saviour of the ME universe: 
 

[Aulis Vaara]

The stupidest part of the ending is the god-kid in the first place. Why is he even there? When was he foreshadowed except ONCE in Mass Effect 3? Where did the Haestrom storyline go? You know, the one that could've provided you with a powerful weapon to use against the Reapers by blowing up suns.

Furthermore, because of this kid, the reapers have gove from terrifying overlords to pitiful pawns. Reapers used to be impressive and incomprehensible, now they are nothing more than a tool, throwing out all the impressiveness.

God-kid should go. Write us a real ending, Bioware!

[Aulis Vaara]

Adamantium93 wrote...

I think I'd keep Reaper control IF it didn't destroy the mass relays and it was explained in a way that made sense because I always imagined that one end would see Shep become a Reaper.

Yes. This. And it could've been done two ways as well. The first way, Shepard gets bribed by the Reapers by being allowed to become a Reaper all by himself. In the second way, Shepard erases a Reaper's programming and inserts his own mind in order to turn the tide against them.

So many good endings could've been though up, instead we get total nonsense that doesn't fit the series at all.

Also, an ending where Shepard and crew flee in the Normandy to preserve a time capsule of sorts. The Normandy is the only ship that can do so because of its stealth technology. In a variation, Shepard stays behind to fight with those who want to and sends the rest of the crew away to hide the time capsule. Cue endless waves of enemies, eventually accompanied by a Reaper that just fries you if you hold out for too long.

[rogerX]

lasertank wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

It doesn't mean that Shepard is accepting the Catalyst's "organics will be destroyed by synthetics" assertion. By doing the destruction ending, Shepard is rejecting the Catalyst's assertion that this is an inevitable eventuality.

By doing the Synthesis ending, you are accepting the assertion and altering the paradigm of synthetic/organic life in order to change the rules.

I hope some people read this, because this fact is failing to reach many people who are unhappy with the ending.  Hopefully you read this and will be happier.

No. It's wrong. DESTROY ending means to kill the Geth, EDI, and any other synthetic life forms in the universe. This is betrayal, especially for a Shepard just resolved conflict between Geth and Quarian. How is the destruction ending is ever the way to disprove Catalyst's assertion? You actually destory synthetics to prevent the war! You contradict yourself here.

Don't get me start with the synthesis ending. Why does Shepard have to dissolve himself? Is there anything special in his DNA? Why him? What roles do human play in the action? If the action is the ultimate solution, why had not it been done before? Why now and here? We are trapped by the very limited choices Bioware gave us, and they don't come with reason and logic.

Shepard is the Chosen One, that's why he's so special............Oh sorry wrong trilogy..

[t003]

Space magic

[Pedro Costa]

Biotic Sage wrote...

It doesn't mean that Shepard is accepting the Catalyst's "organics will be destroyed by synthetics" assertion. By doing the destruction ending, Shepard is rejecting the Catalyst's assertion that this is an inevitable eventuality.

 
Agreed, at least, that's how my Shep thought of it. Sadly, the fact it can be interpreted otherwise lends further evidence that these endings, in their current state, are lackluster, confusing and answer hardly anything.

By doing the Synthesis ending, you are accepting the assertion and altering the paradigm of synthetic/organic life in order to change the rules.

Actually, no. Whatever it is that the magical green beam does, it doesn't prevent the "created destroying the creators" at all.
Wait, actually, it does something: it lets the Reapers live.
If Synthesis alters the DNA, then we're not looking at a merge of synthetic and organic, we're simply looking at organics with a mutated genetic code to produce new results.
If, on the other hand, people still have to be augmented with cybernetics, then there most likely will be people refusing to become part machine, and people wanting to be even closer to a machine.
And even if this space magic ending does create a perfect "merge", nothing forbids this new existence of creating something superior to it.
Synthesis doesn't actually prevent anything, it only forces a radical change in organics and synthetics alike without them asking for it. You're playing god with people's (loose term, given the context) very existence, robbing them of even an opinion or choice on the matter and all that while at the same time trusting everything on the words of the very thing that was trying to kill you 10 minutes ago.

Control has the same inherent problem of trusting the words of the thing that's trying to kill you, obviously, but at least you aren't making such a deep choice on behalf of a Galaxy that didn't ask for it.

I hope some people read this, because this fact is failing to reach many people who are unhappy with the ending.  Hopefully you read this and will be happier.

And I'm still extremely annoyed at the endings and will remain to be so until new ones are released.
So no, reading your post didn't make me any happier.

[The Angry One]

Adamantium93 wrote...

I think I'd keep Reaper control IF it didn't destroy the mass relays and it was explained in a way that made sense because I always imagined that one end would see Shep become a Reaper.

Reaper control is probably the funniest.
Okay let's say you absolutely have to destroy the mass relays for this one to work too.. okay.. so.. have the Reapers stick around and build new ones?
In fact, stick around and rebuild those cities you were flattening. No you're... just going to leave?

Okay all you really did was cripple the galaxy then join the bad guys. Yeah, that's totally Shepard alright!

[Icinix]

 We need a new solution! 

Blow everything up! And start again!

[GoblinSapper]

Given the metatextual circumstances of the "Destroy the Reapers" option - that is, it is the only option that unlocks additional content after a certain amount of WA being gathered (5000 WA and selecting Destroy the Reapers nets you that 10second clip) and shows Shepherd waking up, I believe Destroy the Reapers to be both the Paragon and Canonical ending.