Anyone confused as all hell with this contradiction?
The geth are and have been at peace, and they just want peace. They're living proof that the Catalyst is wrong. But further, he says that it's inevitable that synthetic life will wipe out organic life, so his Reapers are the solution. He's synthetic himself (as are the Reapers for the most part; they're mostly synthetic and have no free will at all, so...), and he's regularly wiping out all organic life.
So, uh...what? This is especially odd when the Reapers (which the Catalyst controls) mind-controlled the peaceful geth into wiping out organics, and once tried this COMPLETELY against the will of the geth (the virus, from ME2), which again contradicts the Catalyst's argument and nature.
None of it makes any damn sense. Including those dream sequences which, in hindsight, STILL MAKE NO ****ING SENSE AT ALL. Isn't the point of intrigue, foreshadowing, and confusing hints like those dreams supposed to be that they all make sense (or a lot more sense) in hindsight? They seem to have completely missed the mark, there.
SpaceGodChild: Synthetic life will inevitably wipe out organic life. So the Reapers save them from that fate. Me: YOU are synthetic, and wiping out organic life.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 04:00
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The reapers harvest old life ALSO to make way for new life. With all these old and eventually all powerful civilizations reigning over the galaxy, there won't be any room for new, younger ones. If the protheans had not been destroyed, they would have, according to Javik, enslaved humans, asari, turians and every other species we know.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 04:00
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SaltyWaffles-PD wrote...
Anyone confused as all hell with this contradiction?
That question doesn't have to asked. As soon as god-child appeared and opened his mouth, everyone new the ME franchise went to sh**.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 04:00
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There a self fulfilling prophecy. They claim that Synthetic life will wipe out all organic life then go to stop it and fulfill it themselves. K
Meh. I still am going with the theory that the Destroy Ending was Shepard breaking Indoctrination
Meh. I still am going with the theory that the Destroy Ending was Shepard breaking Indoctrination
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 04:01
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Destructoid begs to differ, you are apparently arrogant for thinking such things.
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Doesn't make sense? Hah! What do you want YOUR ending that makes sense...entitled gamer TRASH!
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Doesn't make sense? Hah! What do you want YOUR ending that makes sense...entitled gamer TRASH!
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 04:02
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It is a bit of logic fail, to them, they are saving the organics who haven't reached the galactic civilization yet, and letting them have a chance at the stars before they kill them and catalog them into a reaper.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 04:02
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so basicly what your telling me is that the murder of billions is justified because a powerful entity is made of their goo......Steptroll wrote...
The reapers harvest old life ALSO to make way for new life. With all these old and eventually all powerful civilizations reigning over the galaxy, there won't be any room for new, younger ones. If the protheans had not been destroyed, they would have, according to Javik, enslaved humans, asari, turians and every other species we know.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 04:04
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Its faulty logic but it makes sense in computer terms. I was heartily expecting a chance to rebut the kid's logic. But Shep stays quiet.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 04:07
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Breaking indoctrination theory makes sense.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 04:29
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John Locke N7 wrote...
so basicly what your telling me is that the murder of billions is justified because a powerful entity is made of their goo......Steptroll wrote...
The reapers harvest old life ALSO to make way for new life. With all these old and eventually all powerful civilizations reigning over the galaxy, there won't be any room for new, younger ones. If the protheans had not been destroyed, they would have, according to Javik, enslaved humans, asari, turians and every other species we know.
Think of it as an old, decrepit tree dying to make way for a new sapling.
By killing off advanced civilizations, stagnation is prevented and diversity is allowed to flourish.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 04:35
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My understanding of it was pretty simple.
Lets take the Quarian/Geth plot and expand on it in a way it didn't go. Let's say the Geth didn't stop hunting the Quarians - they made them extinct. What comes next?
The Geth would expand, and expand, and barring a successful defense, they would continue (in theorey), to wipe out all traces of life everywhere. Under their logic, ALL life would be eradicated.
The reapers are not doing this. They are harvesting *only* the life that has gotten too far, too close to the brink of this supposed impending doom. By doing this, they are, in a sense, protecting non-civilized life (as they would put it), so that it may exist for its period before being eradicated in 50k years. But at no point is ALL life destoryed. What they are working to prevent, in theorey, is the destruction of ALL organic life.
The logic fault, in a sense, isn't that they murderize the advanced organic life. The logic fault is that they don't just hang around and murderize the synthetic life when/if it gets out of hand.
Lets take the Quarian/Geth plot and expand on it in a way it didn't go. Let's say the Geth didn't stop hunting the Quarians - they made them extinct. What comes next?
The Geth would expand, and expand, and barring a successful defense, they would continue (in theorey), to wipe out all traces of life everywhere. Under their logic, ALL life would be eradicated.
The reapers are not doing this. They are harvesting *only* the life that has gotten too far, too close to the brink of this supposed impending doom. By doing this, they are, in a sense, protecting non-civilized life (as they would put it), so that it may exist for its period before being eradicated in 50k years. But at no point is ALL life destoryed. What they are working to prevent, in theorey, is the destruction of ALL organic life.
The logic fault, in a sense, isn't that they murderize the advanced organic life. The logic fault is that they don't just hang around and murderize the synthetic life when/if it gets out of hand.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 04:40
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Balance of the universe.
The fear is that a synthetic life form will go out of its way to destroy ALL organic life because as it could be viewed as inferior.
Reapers perserve one race, and destroy everything to make sure primitive life is given the opportunity to evolve.
This isn't that large of a leap in logic and isn't contradicting considering it is for a "greater purpose."
The fear is that a synthetic life form will go out of its way to destroy ALL organic life because as it could be viewed as inferior.
Reapers perserve one race, and destroy everything to make sure primitive life is given the opportunity to evolve.
This isn't that large of a leap in logic and isn't contradicting considering it is for a "greater purpose."
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 04:45
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Steptroll wrote...
The reapers harvest old life ALSO to make way for new life. With all these old and eventually all powerful civilizations reigning over the galaxy, there won't be any room for new, younger ones. If the protheans had not been destroyed, they would have, according to Javik, enslaved humans, asari, turians and every other species we know.
This was actually the reason I assumed the Reapers were doing what they were doing. It made sense to me. I could even understand it, though I was still fighting like hell to stop it.
And then some random child thing tries to tell me that they're doing it to stop a (apparently?) inevitable war between synthetics and organics. I just wanted to point out to him that the Geth had been getting along just fine with organics (by avoiding them entirely) until Sovereign shouldered in and made them battle against organics. And the Quarians
were kicking the Geth's asses, until the Reapers stepped in to "aid" them. It didn't seem like th organics were having much trouble defending themselves against synthetics. So the whole thing was moot.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 06:48
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Reiella wrote...
It is a bit of logic fail, to them, they are saving the organics who haven't reached the galactic civilization yet, and letting them have a chance at the stars before they kill them and catalog them into a reaper.
Except that wasn't the reasoning the Catalyst provided, and it's STILL invalid. The current cycle's civilization is growing and adding more species into its society, peacefully. Almost every species is on relatively friendly terms (some even more so), and new species are welcomed AND given freedom to grow.
That, and Citadel Space only makes up about 1% of the galaxy's systems--which means that 80-90% of the galaxy is completely unexplored.
Besides, who cares about "having free reign" for several thousand years if everyone dies in horrible ways and no one is remembered? That's WAY worse than, say, living under the "rule" of the Council EVER could be.
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