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[goodventure]

I also just wanted to add in my thanks, BioWare.

I've waited a long time for Kaidan to become available as a same-sex option, and to finally get it in ME3 felt incredible.

The romance arc in itself is very fulfilling and beautifully executed.

Thank you!

[lyssalu]

yeah congrats on not taking the amazing characters you already had and making them bi that was a good move

Modifié par lyssalu, 13 mars 2012 - 05:27 .

[nico-vino]

DHolloway wrote...

nico-vino wrote...


As a gay video gamer, I was excited to hear that same-sex romance options were available for both female/male Shepards. Personally, I wanted to go after Kaidan, so I was so happy when I had the chance to romance him when I got the game. Even though I'm quite happy about the same-sex options, I noticed that some things were a little off.

For a gay male Shepard, only Cortez and Kaidan were available to choose from. What if I wanted Jacob, Thane, or even Garrus? And also speaking on behalf of lesbian gamers, I was very disappointed that Ashley Williams was not even a romantic option for the female Shepard. Only Liara, Diana, and Samantha were available to romance. A lot of lesbian gamers wanted to romance Ashley and were let down. I mean come on! Ashley was with Shepard throughout the first game and returned to the third, at least BioWare can do is allow a female Shepard to woo her! It would've been great if female Shepard could also woo Miranda, Tali or Jack (which surprised me because she's been with a girl and a guy, according to her dialogue in ME2).

Another thing that bothered me was the comparison of gay/straight romance scenes with Kaidan. The gay/straight romance scenes with Kaidan were "almost" the same, except there was a little bit more with the straight romance scene. The main difference is that after Kaidan says "I lied. I didn't come here for a quick drink," the female Shepard goes on top of Kaidan and has the option to say "I love you" and Kaidan says "I love you" in return, they kiss some more and then Kaidan carries off female Shepard. This part was NOT the same for the gay romance scene and SHOULD HAVE been! In the gay romance scene, after Kaidan says "I lied. I didn't come here for a quick drink," the scene soon transitions into the bed scene (which I thought was hot, of course).

I also noticed that Kaidan and male Shepard lacked up-close views of lip-locking when they were kissing. The Liara and Ashley scenes displayed very good views of kissing, why didn't the scene with male Shepard and Kaidan? It wasn't as good as Liara’s or Ashley‘s.

Oh! If male Shepard romances Cortez, they have a romantic scene, but it's really awful because the scene is rushed through. The lesbian scene with Samantha was also rushed through, but more explicit than the Cortez gay scene, which is no surprise considering that the game was made by mostly straight males and prefer to see some girl-on-girl action.

Don't get me wrong, I'm very pleased with the same-sex romance options, glad to know that BioWare went the extra mile. I feel a little bad for some lesbian/gay gamers, partly because they can't have Ash, Miranda, Tali, Jacob, Thane, Garrus, etc, which is unfair because not everyone likes the Liara, Kaidan, Cortez, Samantha, or Diana. I don't even understand why Samantha or Diana were even introduced as romantic opportunities; it's ridiculous, random and they have no significance in the storyline. Why couldn't BioWare just use the main roster of characters from ME2? However, I understand that it's costly or that there wasn't enough time to expand on the romance options, but if you're going to make a game with such options, then make sure that the romantic content in which each romance scene contains is equal; go all out, BioWare! Practice what you preach. Give us what we want!

I agree with you. They should have worked on the scenes a little more. The Cortez romance "scene" was nothing. Kaidan was alot better but should have been more. And I do feel sorry for FemShep. She hardly had any options. So here's hoping that the next game will have more options and better scenes for both male and female characters. And I don't understand Diana being an option, but I liked Samantha. Her scene was hardly anything too but better than Cortez.

Yeah, I know right? The only good quality lesbian scene was with Liara. The heterosexual scenes were a little bit more explicit than the queer ones, which is okay for now, I guess, because LGBT themes are just beginning to pervade video games as it is for films and other media, but I still think the queer romance scenes should've been just as explicit as the hetero ones.

[New Display Name]

The M/M scene with Kaidan is just about the same as female Shepard.

[nico-vino]

78stonewobble wrote...

nico-vino wrote...


As a gay video gamer, I was excited to hear that same-sex romance options were available for both female/male Shepards. Personally, I wanted to go after Kaidan, so I was so happy when I had the chance to romance him when I got the game. Even though I'm quite happy about the same-sex options, I noticed that some things were a little off.

For a gay male Shepard, only Cortez and Kaidan were available to choose from. What if I wanted Jacob, Thane, or even Garrus? And also speaking on behalf of lesbian gamers, I was very disappointed that Ashley Williams was not even a romantic option for the female Shepard. Only Liara, Diana, and Samantha were available to romance. A lot of lesbian gamers wanted to romance Ashley and were let down. I mean come on! Ashley was with Shepard throughout the first game and returned to the third, at least BioWare can do is allow a female Shepard to woo her! It would've been great if female Shepard could also woo Miranda, Tali or Jack (which surprised me because she's been with a girl and a guy, according to her dialogue in ME2).

Another thing that bothered me was the comparison of gay/straight romance scenes with Kaidan. The gay/straight romance scenes with Kaidan were "almost" the same, except there was a little bit more with the straight romance scene. The main difference is that after Kaidan says "I lied. I didn't come here for a quick drink," the female Shepard goes on top of Kaidan and has the option to say "I love you" and Kaidan says "I love you" in return, they kiss some more and then Kaidan carries off female Shepard. This part was NOT the same for the gay romance scene and SHOULD HAVE been! In the gay romance scene, after Kaidan says "I lied. I didn't come here for a quick drink," the scene soon transitions into the bed scene (which I thought was hot, of course).

I also noticed that Kaidan and male Shepard lacked up-close views of lip-locking when they were kissing. The Liara and Ashley scenes displayed very good views of kissing, why didn't the scene with male Shepard and Kaidan? It wasn't as good as Liara’s or Ashley‘s.

Oh! If male Shepard romances Cortez, they have a romantic scene, but it's really awful because the scene is rushed through. The lesbian scene with Samantha was also rushed through, but more explicit than the Cortez gay scene, which is no surprise considering that the game was made by mostly straight males and prefer to see some girl-on-girl action.

Don't get me wrong, I'm very pleased with the same-sex romance options, glad to know that BioWare went the extra mile. I feel a little bad for some lesbian/gay gamers, partly because they can't have Ash, Miranda, Tali, Jacob, Thane, Garrus, etc, which is unfair because not everyone likes the Liara, Kaidan, Cortez, Samantha, or Diana. I don't even understand why Samantha or Diana were even introduced as romantic opportunities; it's ridiculous, random and they have no significance in the storyline. Why couldn't BioWare just use the main roster of characters from ME2? However, I understand that it's costly or that there wasn't enough time to expand on the romance options, but if you're going to make a game with such options, then make sure that the romantic content in which each romance scene contains is equal; go all out, BioWare! Practice what you preach. Give us what we want!

"We" as in a representative for 7 billion people?

I like that there is options for everyone and there should be nowadays.

IMHO though there should be bi, gay and straight characters not universal matches (sorry for the wording bi-people).

It just seems silly and unrealistic (to me) and I would much rather prefer a variety of unique characters.

So I kinda like the way bioware handled it though offcourse that still leaves room for improvement in "delivery" and variety of options.

When I meant "we," I assumed I was referring to gay/lesbian gamers, but I can totally understand what you're saying. Yeah, characters should be unique in their own ways and how you said that it's unrealistic to make universal matches. However, it's a game. A lot of elements of the game are unrealistic, like biotics. Yes, there are elements of realism in the game, but I think there should've been more romantic options for the queer players.