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[B.Shep]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Apocsapel91 wrote...

vigna wrote...

Thanks for pulling a Lost????

At least Lost's ending was emotionally satisfying, even if it did leave more questions than answers.

I thought they were both emotionally satisfying.  Lost was emotionally satisfying in a happy, joyful way, whereas Mass Effect was emotionally satisfying in a bittersweet hopeful way.

The problem is to much things were left with no answer...

[Militarized]

Phydeaux314 wrote...

The ending has all the clarity of the Lost ending, the faith to the series of the BSG ending, the production quality of the KOTOR2 ending, and the flexibility and relevance to your past choices as the Deus Ex: Human Revolution ending.

Hammer... meet nail head. 

[RxP4IN]

The Angry One wrote...

- Why did Shepard submit to the psychopathic entity that's been controlling her/his worst enemy?
- Why did Joker quit the battle?
- Why didn't the god child open the Citadel itself years ago?
- Did the mass relays destroy their home systems or not? And if not, given Arrival, why not?
- How is ANYONE going to survive stranded far from home with no resources?
- Why did Shepard's squadmates abandon her/him?
- Why did Harbinger play next to no role in the narrative despite his previous obsessive interest with Shepard?
- Why did Sovereign claim Reapers are "each a nation, independant." when the god child claims to control them all?

That's just off the top of my head.

-What happened to the Dark Energy plot
-If the crucible was the collective work of countless civilizations, why don't the Reapers seem to care or place any importance in stopping it? They are those civilizations!!!
-How did Shep's ground squad running towards the conduit not die at the hand of Harbinger and make it back the Normandy?
-Why do the Reapers guide civilizations down a technologically advanced path, doesn't that just speed up the "chaos" process, thus ensuring more cycles than necessary?
-What does your writing staff smoke, and how can I get some?

[Paulinius]

I can't find the exact quote, but to paraphrase Mac Walters said "no one cares more about Mass Effect then us (the writing team)."

Well, if that's true, then how come I and many other fans can point out massive plot holes and inconsistencies in ME3 in relation to previously established lore?

How do fans have a better knowledge of Mass Effect's story and lore than the people paid to make create it in the first place?

[hippanda]

The Angry One wrote...

- Why did Shepard submit to the psychopathic entity that's been controlling her/his worst enemy?
- Why did Joker quit the battle?
- Why didn't the god child open the Citadel itself years ago?
- Did the mass relays destroy their home systems or not? And if not, given Arrival, why not?
- How is ANYONE going to survive stranded far from home with no resources?
- Why did Shepard's squadmates abandon her/him?
- Why did Harbinger play next to no role in the narrative despite his previous obsessive interest with Shepard?
- Why did Sovereign claim Reapers are "each a nation, independant." when the god child claims to control them all?

That's just off the top of my head.

Someone posted this in one of the other threads, but I definitely think you should add the heart of this issue to your list:

"The Catalyst starts going on and on about how the created will always kill the creator. The most critical moment in the game, and yet, there's no option to jerk that kid up by his holographic hair and say, "Bulls***! Look out there. Geth and Quarian, fighting side by side. Look at the Normandy, look at Joker and EDI. We're making it work. Maybe it will last, maybe it won't, but who the f*** are you deny us the chance to try?""

Modifié par hippanda, 11 mars 2012 - 05:58 .

[MrAtomica]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Shepard approaches kid.... okay who is this guy... so... he's the one responsible for the death of quadrillions... okay I've got this massive fleet I'm gonna threaten this monster... wait... blah blah blah organics/synthetics non coexist but then okay then answer is sythetics butcher organics and save a few in a collective Reaper shaped petri-dish... no can't like that... okay time to kill this loser... wait... three choices... I'm trying to kill... can't... must... pick... WHAT? MY DEATH? I can't die... not yet... wait why didn't I call in the Normandy when I opened up the arms... brain... not... working... must... pick... why am I listening to this kid? Can't.... stop... limping toward... decision and death... I... have... no right... to decide the fate... of trillions... can't radio anyone... must... dive into... beam.. NO!! ... Relays... are life-lines... too many here... and explosions... relays are huge bombs... can't let them... explode... Earth... Thessia... all of them.... gone... must be trick of this Reaper... must be the Reaper Daddy... can't... stop.... self from....

I'm gone... why is Joker? Where is he? Why isn't he fighting? Wait, what? It doesn't take that long to jump from relay to relay, what? Noooooo, the Normandy... it's starting to disintegrate!


A jungle? What? Who's... that's Joker!!! And EDI???? EDI was in my squad on Earth!!! And Ashley? Thank GOD she's alive, but HOW?!? She was on Earth as well when... why didn't they come for me? How's come I got no call from Joker? No... support... no offer of medical aid... who else is alive? What happened to everyone? What happened to Earth? What happened to Garrus? No... answers... just... questions... fading...


Old man and child, and I'm "The Shepard". I was just an imaginary figure? What the HECK is going on?....


Cool music though.

You're a brave man. I just shut my entire brain down after the kid tried to explain that he was the uber puppet master.

[Biotic Sage]

Sywen wrote...

Paulinius wrote...

"Your choices matter."

I guess it isn't a complete lie. You can get a red, blue, or green ending cut-scene.

I feel bad for fans of yellow.

Pink would have made me feel better.

People like to only focus on the pretty colors and what you see at that very moment instead of considering the ramifications for the entire future of the galaxy and how fundamentally different each of those end game choices were.

[mupp3tz]

Well, if what they meant by absolutely no more questions, then we're supposed to be satisfied with an ending that is basically everyone dying for future organics, who, let's be real, we don't really care about.

[RxP4IN]

hippanda wrote...


Someone posted this in one of the other threads, but I'd add this to the list:

"The Catalyst starts going on and on about how the created will always kill the creator. The most critical moment in the game, and yet, there's no option to jerk that kid up by his holographic hair and say, "Bulls***! Look out there. Geth and Quarian, fighting side by side. Look at the Normandy, look at Joker and EDI. We're making it work. Maybe it will last, maybe it won't, but who the f*** are you deny us the chance to try?""

True. And it's implied that the catalyst created the Reapers, as they are its answer to chaos.

So by its logic, shouldn't the Reapers kill it?

Modifié par RxP4IN, 11 mars 2012 - 05:59 .

[Panicomatic]

Paulinius wrote...

"Your choices matter."

I guess it isn't a complete lie. You can get a red, blue, or green ending cut-scene.

I feel bad for fans of yellow.

You can probably adjust the settings on your tv to make the colors more suitable to your taste.

They should have put in a renegade trigger right after you deal with TIM at the end, where if you hit it the game shuts off. That's the ending I would have wrote.

[JimJohnJim]

Its funny how they did not want to pull a "Lost".

Didn't Lost begin with them surviving an airplane crash and ending up in some tropical place?

Hmmm....

[Solduri]

AxisEvolve wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

- Why did Shepard submit to the psychopathic entity that's been controlling her/his worst enemy?
- Why did Joker quit the battle?
- Why didn't the god child open the Citadel itself years ago?
- Did the mass relays destroy their home systems or not? And if not, given Arrival, why not?
- How is ANYONE going to survive stranded far from home with no resources?
- Why did Shepard's squadmates abandon her/him?
- Why did Harbinger play next to no role in the narrative despite his previous obsessive interest with Shepard?
- Why did Sovereign claim Reapers are "each a nation, independant." when the god child claims to control them all?

That's just off the top of my head.

This is what happens when you change your direction at the last minute. I wish the writers would have stayed consistent. 

agreed

[Midnight Eternal]

The Angry One wrote...


- Why did Sovereign claim Reapers are "each a nation, independant." when the god child claims to control them all?

This one I think I can explain. I could be wrong but I thought this was made clear in second game. I believe he is making a metaphor on how reapers are "created" from the matter of millions of a species. Much like how Legion is/was. He was independent, but yet many or a "nation" or "Legion" as his name have it. That's how i understand that one part anyways.

But to the main topic. Far more questions than answers imo. Why could they not put in an epilogue to a series they worked so long on? If they would have put in an epilogue I might have been able to forgive some of the logical nonsense that was thrown in at the end.

[GuyWithFace]

JimJohnJim wrote...

Its funny how they did not want to pull a "Lost".

Didn't Lost begin with them surviving an airplane crash and ending up in some tropical place?

Hmmm....

My god. They didn't end like Lost did, they ended like Lost began! IT ALL MAKES SENSE.

[BentOrgy]

hippanda wrote...

"The Catalyst starts going on and on about how the created will always kill the creator. The most critical moment in the game, and yet, there's no option to jerk that kid up by his holographic hair and say, "Bulls***! Look out there. Geth and Quarian, fighting side by side. Look at the Normandy, look at Joker and EDI. We're making it work. Maybe it will last, maybe it won't, but who the f*** are you deny us the chance to try?""

The scene this conjured inside my head was absolutely incredible. This will be my canon ending for now on; and it ends with my Shepard with his love happy and ALIVE.

.....

And the Reapers as my pets.

[Dreogan]

This single developer quote infuriates me more than any other quote. And I've adopted a thread of infuriating developer quotes.

[ABCoLD]

I love having a series of morally gray choices, defining my character and who they are. Then at the end of the game being told, "Well yes, that was a lovely playing experience you had. But seriously, would you prefer a Pepsi, Coke, or RC cola?" Because that's what we were given, by the way Soylent Reapers are made of people. Of people!

[Cosmar]

I get really sick and tired of game devs OUTRIGHT LYING to our faces. It's disgusting and unethical. DO NOT tell us things about a game that ARE NOT TRUE. That's false advertising. It's deception. So I can only infer that either a) the devs and all the marketers and such either honestly don't know a ****ing thing about the game that they're trying to sell, or they deliberately lie and try to cover up the flaws to make us buy it anyway. Either way is irresponsible and completely unacceptable.

[devSin]

I truly believe that quotes like this are a primary reason why some people are so hostile to the developers.

I want the chance to meet Mike Gamble in person. I want him to spit in my face. I'll shake his hand afterward and thank him for being honest.

[Umbrellamage]

They pulled a lost without pulling a lost. Bioware outlost lost.

[thordreen]

Bah, the lost ending answered more questions and made more sense then the last 10 mins of ME3.

[Jaron Oberyn]

LOL Dreogan, I was crying when I saw that haha! But honestly, they didn't pull a Lost in a sense since in L O S T's ending everyone was together happy, in ME3 they're not.

-Polite

[The_Animal81]

Der Estr Bune wrote...

And I'm going to be totally honest, I didn't think Lost had too many unanswered questions by the end. I don't know why it gets so much flak.

someone finally agrees with me I loved LOST, thought it was a great show and i even have all 6 season on dvd, it also had a great ending that goes full circle, if you actually sit down and watch every episode and can understand whats going on between all the time travel and that but as far as Mass Effect goes it had a terrible ending and it raises questions that shouldnt have been raised. Great narritaives dont always have to answer every single one of the viewers questions so that way it creates a mystery about it and lets the fans ponder on the question and come to their own conclusion. in Bioware's case they answered pretty much every question from the previous games and then the 3 endings that we are forced to endure raises questions when the ending was suppose to wrap everything up...I mean they dont even tell us what happens to all the races after the battle, thanks alot Bioware :/ 
I'm praying for some sort of answers from them soon

[Dranume]

there were many quotes pre production that did not make it into the game.