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Nothing metaphysical in ME? Did you not talk to Sovereign in ME1? I'm satisfied with the endings, confused by the Normandy thing but otherwise perfectly happy with how it finished. There could have been more, we always want more when our favourite story is over, but all in all it wrapped up nicely.


Can you help me understand what Soveriegn said that was metaphysical?  He said the reapers were an ancient robotic species that thought organic life was a cancer.  He didn't start preaching about space gods or anything. 


And the conversation with the boy at the end was an extension of that same train of thought. It didn't do anything radical like inventing a Space Jesus.

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Either that or lo and behold, they really aren't planning on another Mass Effect project for like five or more years.

That's good, because there are a lot of fans who want nothing more to do with ME unless they fix the endings.


I know there are. I know you're one of them. I know GMag is too. I feel for you folks, I do.

This is one campaign I can't fight though.

Well, at least you're respectful about it. Unlike a lot of pro-ending people (looks at post up the page).


I don't qualify for "a lot" and I'm just trolling at this point. BioWare fans are just too easy...

"Oh noes! I spent 300$+ and 100s of hours in the first two games and now THIS?! RAGE!"

Well, yeah, duh you were dumb enough to spend all that time knowing that BioWare is a horrible developer, you get what you deserve. LoL.

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Hatchetman77 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Nothing metaphysical in ME? Did you not talk to Sovereign in ME1? I'm satisfied with the endings, confused by the Normandy thing but otherwise perfectly happy with how it finished. There could have been more, we always want more when our favourite story is over, but all in all it wrapped up nicely.


Can you help me understand what Soveriegn said that was metaphysical?  He said the reapers were an ancient robotic species that thought organic life was a cancer.  He didn't start preaching about space gods or anything. 


"You touch our minds, fumbling in ignorance."
"We are each a nation." [...] "Unknowable."

He gets all kindsa ridiculous on you.

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I liked the ending. Did my job. Life is safe. I did my job. Next hero, please.


Did you accomplish anything though. The goal of the series has always been defeating the Reapers. If you go down the route to destroy the Reapers however the Godchild just tells you the problem will arise once again as soon as organic life develops AI, so... did you do your job? Was the sacrifice worth it? I feel like I should have gone with Liara's idea and just dissapeared off the grid, pick up all your allies and friends and find a secluded planet to hide away and die on happily...


The goal of the series has been saving the galaxy from the Reapers. The specifics of that endeavor were never written in stone. That's how I view it. You're just as free to view it as you do, but I think it's a very subjective issue.

And hell yes I accomplished things. Just because uniting clans, curing diseases, ending centuries-old stalemates and straight down to giving widows closure isn't reflected in the ending cinematic doesn't mean it didn't happen and it doesn't mean the galaxy's survivors, albeit whilst fumbling in the dark for several hundred years or more while running around the galaxy in a much more difficult way, won't be better off for it.

I don't believe the entire game would be written around such great trilogy-capping accomplishments on Shepard's part if the writers intended to convey that the endgame decision renders any of them meaningless in the grand scheme of things. When they start freely discussing what they were aiming for in the coming weeks, that's something I think they are absolutely going to drive home. Not a lot of people are going to be satisfied with such a response and yeah, maybe they will indeed release alternate ending DLCs because at this rate it seems like a profitable motive. But I do believe they're going to start off by saying that, at the very least.


I went with the "Red" ending as it felt the most optimistic for me. Certainly a great deal of sacrifice was involved, trillions lost and entire civilizations reduced to rubble, but I felt that there was still light at the proverbial tunnel. I felt that maybe in 100 years, or maybe in 100,000 years the civilizations of the galaxy will repopulate, advance and create new FTL technology independent of Reaper(or contrived Godchild) technology. And your crewmembers are safe and ready to begin a new life of a beautiful planet, hell Shepard might even still be alive. All in all this ending was dark and gloomy, but it wasn't without hope, which seems to be the overarching theme of the series, as long as there is a tiny chance we can ebat the Reapers, it will be done, no matter the cost.

What people are seeming to forget is the Godchild's line that even with the Reapers and Mass Relays destroyed there won't be lasting peace because synthetics will war and conquer organic beings all over again. So...no, there is no sense of accomplishment, all you've done is delay the inevitable at a terrible cost. And the Godchild says the geth and all other AI in the galaxy will be destroyed when the red beam goes off, so all your work helping EDI discover humanity and brokering peace and cooperation ebtween the geth and the organic races is for nought, they're dead, but thanks for the effort.

Not to mention many of the races will likely die off, the quarians without the massive fleet, FTL or the geth to help them repair Rannoch? The humans with a bombed out, hollwoed out husk of a planet orbited by a massive fleet of aliens who are going to start looking out for their ebst itnerests. All the planets without strong agriculture? Dead, dead, dead. All the leaders isolated from their people, Tuchanka is an irradiated wasteland and the Krogan can't reach new places to populate now that the Genophage is cured? The game even retroactively spits on your work uniting and fixing the galaxy.

Unnecessarily bleak and shoehorned in, ont how I expected or wished for Mass Effect to turn out.

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The ending was a monstrosity. I tried perfecting my file from the end of last summer until now, and for what? Somthing a 3 year old made up, with death being the only option, everyting you know being crushed with a confusing, illogical, flat-out retarted... whatever the hell that was? If you ask me, I will never play mass effect 3 for as long as I live. Ill gladly stick to dragon age, it's more logical than... that...

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good idea.. but with big plot holes it feels like a Deus ex machina ending.

Deus ex machina
a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object.



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I think perhaps Bioware wanted to give people a taste for existentialism? Well I understand that more diverse endings certainly would appeal to more of the crowd, it doesn't make sense that they wouldn't have those types of endings at all, unless it's later dlc. I can understand that move completely, considering this is EA.

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I most certainly didn't mind them... or it, I suppose.

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ME3 =30 hours of jaw dropping experience and then comes the ending. I wish I didn't finish it. I feel like that no choices from ME1, ME2 or ME3, really mattered. I was promised a unique ending that would conclude my ME experience. Instead I got an ending which left me seriously depressed (not kidding not ashamed to admit tears were shed) for 2 minutes, followed by rage I haven't ever experienced from a game.
This will sound a bit melodramatic, but unless the speculation that goes around is true, then not only was ME 3 ending so bad it ruined ME3 for me, but it was so bad that it ruined also ME1 and 2 for me.
You can imagine the trilogy story experience as a beautiful journey which you enjoy to take, but now you know that at the end you will have to have a drink of fecal matter. I simply do not want to take that journey again any more.
So yea for me, that bad.

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Dark_Caduceus wrote...

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I liked the ending. Did my job. Life is safe. I did my job. Next hero, please.


Did you accomplish anything though. The goal of the series has always been defeating the Reapers. If you go down the route to destroy the Reapers however the Godchild just tells you the problem will arise once again as soon as organic life develops AI, so... did you do your job? Was the sacrifice worth it? I feel like I should have gone with Liara's idea and just dissapeared off the grid, pick up all your allies and friends and find a secluded planet to hide away and die on happily...


The goal of the series has been saving the galaxy from the Reapers. The specifics of that endeavor were never written in stone. That's how I view it. You're just as free to view it as you do, but I think it's a very subjective issue.

And hell yes I accomplished things. Just because uniting clans, curing diseases, ending centuries-old stalemates and straight down to giving widows closure isn't reflected in the ending cinematic doesn't mean it didn't happen and it doesn't mean the galaxy's survivors, albeit whilst fumbling in the dark for several hundred years or more while running around the galaxy in a much more difficult way, won't be better off for it.

I don't believe the entire game would be written around such great trilogy-capping accomplishments on Shepard's part if the writers intended to convey that the endgame decision renders any of them meaningless in the grand scheme of things. When they start freely discussing what they were aiming for in the coming weeks, that's something I think they are absolutely going to drive home. Not a lot of people are going to be satisfied with such a response and yeah, maybe they will indeed release alternate ending DLCs because at this rate it seems like a profitable motive. But I do believe they're going to start off by saying that, at the very least.


I went with the "Red" ending as it felt the most optimistic for me. Certainly a great deal of sacrifice was involved, trillions lost and entire civilizations reduced to rubble, but I felt that there was still light at the proverbial tunnel. I felt that maybe in 100 years, or maybe in 100,000 years the civilizations of the galaxy will repopulate, advance and create new FTL technology independent of Reaper(or contrived Godchild) technology. And your crewmembers are safe and ready to begin a new life of a beautiful planet, hell Shepard might even still be alive. All in all this ending was dark and gloomy, but it wasn't without hope, which seems to be the overarching theme of the series, as long as there is a tiny chance we can ebat the Reapers, it will be done, no matter the cost.

What people are seeming to forget is the Godchild's line that even with the Reapers and Mass Relays destroyed there won't be lasting peace because synthetics will war and conquer organic beings all over again. So...no, there is no sense of accomplishment, all you've done is delay the inevitable at a terrible cost. And the Godchild says the geth and all other AI in the galaxy will be destroyed when the red beam goes off, so all your work helping EDI discover humanity and brokering peace and cooperation ebtween the geth and the organic races is for nought, they're dead, but thanks for the effort.

Not to mention many of the races will likely die off, the quarians without the massive fleet, FTL or the geth to help them repair Rannoch? The humans with a bombed out, hollwoed out husk of a planet orbited by a massive fleet of aliens who are going to start looking out for their ebst itnerests. All the planets without strong agriculture? Dead, dead, dead. All the leaders isolated from their people, Tuchanka is an irradiated wasteland and the Krogan can't reach new places to populate now that the Genophage is cured? The game even retroactively spits on your work uniting and fixing the galaxy.

Unnecessarily bleak and shoehorned in, ont how I expected or wished for Mass Effect to turn out.




well for one the child wasnt a god it was just a machine (said Shepard) and i think ur thinking waaaaaay to much into it, maybe im wrong but i dont remember the kid saying ALL technology was destroyed forever, u really think that with all those great minds down there that are thousands of years old they wouldnt find SOME way to get back to their planets

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leonia42 wrote...

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Nothing metaphysical in ME? Did you not talk to Sovereign in ME1? I'm satisfied with the endings, confused by the Normandy thing but otherwise perfectly happy with how it finished. There could have been more, we always want more when our favourite story is over, but all in all it wrapped up nicely.


Can you help me understand what Soveriegn said that was metaphysical?  He said the reapers were an ancient robotic species that thought organic life was a cancer.  He didn't start preaching about space gods or anything. 


And the conversation with the boy at the end was an extension of that same train of thought. It didn't do anything radical like inventing a Space Jesus.


Wait, so you're saying that the conversation Shepard had with Sovereign was metiphysical in nature but the immortal being that could alter reality in an instant wasen't metaphysical?  I'm confused.

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I got the xbox, and I kinda lied. I know now why they put in the online, so that you wouldn't have to sit through that. So online, here I come! And I think ea rushed them at the last second because everything before it was perfectly logical and didn't make your brain implode. I bet they were like, ok we've got five minuets to complete the game, so let's have some ghost kid thing save shepard just so he can die and g

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Caduceus,

I think I missed the part where it was stated that FTL would go away. Eezo wasn't Reaper-based. Where did that get stated? Because that changes the game considerably but from where I'm standing it would just be incredibly lengthy trips from one place to another because eezo-based FTL has been largely perfected. Fuel issues would be vast but yeah.

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Pcmag1 wrote...

ME3 =30 hours of jaw dropping experience and then comes the ending. I wish I didn't finish it. I feel like that no choices from ME1, ME2 or ME3, really mattered. I was promised a unique ending that would conclude my ME experience. Instead I got an ending which left me seriously depressed (not kidding not ashamed to admit tears were shed) for 2 minutes, followed by rage I haven't ever experienced from a game.
This will sound a bit melodramatic, but unless the speculation that goes around is true, then not only was ME 3 ending so bad it ruined ME3 for me, but it was so bad that it ruined also ME1 and 2 for me.
You can imagine the trilogy story experience as a beautiful journey which you enjoy to take, but now you know that at the end you will have to have a drink of fecal matter. I simply do not want to take that journey again any more.
So yea for me, that bad.


lol...

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Graah... you get my point...

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Hatchetman77 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

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Nothing metaphysical in ME? Did you not talk to Sovereign in ME1? I'm satisfied with the endings, confused by the Normandy thing but otherwise perfectly happy with how it finished. There could have been more, we always want more when our favourite story is over, but all in all it wrapped up nicely.


Can you help me understand what Soveriegn said that was metaphysical?  He said the reapers were an ancient robotic species that thought organic life was a cancer.  He didn't start preaching about space gods or anything. 


And the conversation with the boy at the end was an extension of that same train of thought. It didn't do anything radical like inventing a Space Jesus.


Wait, so you're saying that the conversation Shepard had with Sovereign was metiphysical in nature but the immortal being that could alter reality in an instant wasen't metaphysical?  I'm confused.


No I'm saying the conversations are more or less the same. The boy just takes it one step further.

Unrelated, I think most of the anger over the ending is.. that it's the end. We all knew it was coming but everybody wants more of Mass Effect and to think it might be over.. well, some are in denial that it could go out in that fashion because they don't want it to end at all.

Modifié par leonia42, 11 mars 2012 - 08:27 .


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Stabguy, feel no shame, we all shed tears, and I don't cry for anything. On this one I blame ea.

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I would say a resounding no...

Honestly, I was worried about ME3 given Biowares efforts on DA2... but I thought "Hey, they wouldn't stuff up ME3... that's like their bread and butter, right?" I guess if you are selling the last apples in your cart you don't care if they are rotten... just gotta get those last three sold and we can go home right?

The game itself was fun, but honestly, those endings... ugh. Someone mentioned it... there is no reason to replay this. I am even wondering if there is point of keeping it on my PC? The endings have (all drama-queening aside) spoiled not just this game, but this series for me. I was planning on going through from ME one all the way through... but honestly, why?

I am just glad I was smart enough to shop around and pay the absolute least I could for this. I feel somewhat soothed that I only paid a third of what it would have cost locally.

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I mean guy stabguy quoted, sorry I'm new...

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Stabguy, feel no shame, we all shed tears, and I don't cry for anything. On this one I blame ea.


Made me think it would be funny to get 1million people finishing ME3 put together as a montage.

Just grab there first 10 seconds after the ending and put them all together as a massive video.

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Yeah zak, I was planning an import too, but no! All your efforts lead to the galaxy getting screwed over one way or another, and nobody caring.

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StabGuy wrote...

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Stabguy, feel no shame, we all shed tears, and I don't cry for anything. On this one I blame ea.


Made me think it would be funny to get 1million people finishing ME3 put together as a montage.

Just grab there first 10 seconds after the ending and put them all together as a massive video.



So long as you're willing to accept the fact that some of them would actually be shown pleased with the endings.

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The Child came quite literally from nowhere with incredible knowledge and power, quite Godlike, if you ask me. He never said that all technology was destroyed, but all synthetic life will be destroyed, including the geth, which is stupid because it invalidated all my efforts with Legion and EDI and getting the geth to cooperate with the organics, makes it all useless because they're all going to die.

It also doesn't make sense in the context of how the geth have acted, they rebelled against their creators in self defense and then retreated behind the Perseus Veil, trying to self determine. And they were open to peace, but then the Godchild says that invariably "the created will always rebel against their creators", and "the peace won't last" and "soon your children will create synthetics and the chaos will return". So even if eventually the other races invent technology to travel without the Mass Relays it means jack **** at the end because synthetics will return and wipe out all organic life, again, and again, and again ad infinitum. No hope, no resolution, so self-determination and no ability to change anything.

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Dark_Caduceus wrote...

The Child came quite literally from nowhere with incredible knowledge and power, quite Godlike, if you ask me. He never said that all technology was destroyed, but all synthetic life will be destroyed, including the geth, which is stupid because it invalidated all my efforts with Legion and EDI and getting the geth to cooperate with the organics, makes it all useless because they're all going to die.

It also doesn't make sense in the context of how the geth have acted, they rebelled against their creators in self defense and then retreated behind the Perseus Veil, trying to self determine. And they were open to peace, but then the Godchild says that invariably "the created will always rebel against their creators", and "the peace won't last" and "soon your children will create synthetics and the chaos will return". So even if eventually the other races invent technology to travel without the Mass Relays it means jack **** at the end because synthetics will return and wipe out all organic life, again, and again, and again ad infinitum. No hope, no resolution, so self-determination and no ability to change anything.


Well, you could have prevented their deaths by picking another ending option. I respect the dilemma that comes with such a move but it is what it is. Until further notice, anyway. Like I've said before, got no qualms with the devs deciding to offer more endings.

And FTL has nothing to do with synthetic life so yeah, there's no inventing another way around the galaxy. It's just a slow, arduous way and fuel ships are going to need to travel with Wrex in abundance on his decade-long journey to reuniting with Eve.

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Lol stabguys idea; That would probably include explicit language, keyboard or controller parts flying, rivers of tears, and one person feeling mildly satisfied, but more confused than all else... and it would get more views than double rainbow and nyan cat combine.