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[StabGuy]

edit your post Dark_Caduceus , this is no spoiler section.

So long as you're willing to accept the fact that some of them would actually be shown pleased with the endings.

Yeah well.. true...

[Leonia]

And that's how you know the Godlike child doesn't have all the answers, he makes an error in his judgement of synthetics because we've seen what the geth are capable of. And in that, knowing that he isn't a god or some omniscient being, you can take solace. When he says that the peace will be temorary.. well, how does he know that for certain? Nothing is certain. Everything is in flux, the future of synthetics and organics. They cannot be controlled forever, as Shepard proved. Hence the destruction choice isn't such a doom-and-gloom decision in the longterm. Order descends into chaos, not the other way around.

Modifié par leonia42, 11 mars 2012 - 08:37 .

[UnfavoredStore]

And I told myself that the 1% that me3 sucked, me2 would reign supreme greatest game in the galaxy, so me2 it is!

[Hatchetman77]

leonia42 wrote...

Hatchetman77 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Hatchetman77 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Nothing metaphysical in ME? Did you not talk to Sovereign in ME1?

Can you help me understand what Soveriegn said that was metaphysical?  He said the reapers were an ancient robotic species that thought organic life was a cancer.  He didn't start preaching about space gods or anything. 

And the conversation with the boy at the end was an extension of that same train of thought. It didn't do anything radical like inventing a Space Jesus.

Wait, so you're saying that the conversation Shepard had with Sovereign was metiphysical in nature but the immortal being that could alter reality in an instant wasen't metaphysical?  I'm confused.

No I'm saying the conversations are more or less the same. The boy just takes it one step further.

I'm sorry, but that bolded part REALLY makes it sound like you're making an argument that the conversation with Sovereign was a metaphysical conversation which basically contradicts everything else you've said in the thread.

[mattahraw]

I think the idea of the ending works but it was poorly executed. There was no final boss, no real revelations regarding the reapers, and no real satisfying resolutions to the squadmates journeys other than 'oh, they've crashed. Credits roll'.

Most of all we were repeatedly told that as this was the ending of the trilogy they could go all out and have all kinds of different endings, but there was almost no variation at all.

Compare the finale to all the choice and variation in the suicide mission, or the specacular set pieces of me1's finale...

Really, i fought through all of london thinking i was building up to the final battle on the citadel, yet that brute/banshee battle was my final battle in the entire franchise. The pacing and structure of the whole battle for earth finale was just a mess.

Compared to the really amazing stuff from me1 and 2, the finale this time just seemed unfinished.

[Leonia]

Let me clarify, I'm running with YOUR definition of metaphysical (of which I do not agree). I don't think either conversation is metaphysical in nature. They are, however, the same sort of conversation. So your denial about anything like the godlike/metaphysical/whatever you are calling it conversation with the kid at the end of ME3 has occurred before in the ME games is still just that.. a denial of the facts.Whether you think that's actually metaphysical and thus out of place makes little sense.

[JeffZero]

ME3 had spectacular set pieces in its finale and ME2's variations were mostly just who got shot in the head.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Yes, the other options were ridiculous, Essentially, take control of the Reapers, invalidating all your efforts against the Illusive Man or become one with the synthetics, which seems to be waht the Reapers want anyways.

And Eezo technology is ultimately Reaper based. Element Zero tech allows for the titular mass effect fields to be created and altered, allowing for FTL, biotics, all that good stuff. Huamns learned how to use Eezo FTL from the Prothean ruins and the protheans learned from toher reaper relics left behind and so on until the creation of Eezo. With the Mass Relays destroyed you're talking about traversing 1/10, 1/2, hell even the entire length of the galaxy the hard way. It's not gonna take decades, it's gonna take millenia or more. The Eezo drive cores allow for relatively quick travel within solar system, or groups of solar systems, but between quadrants of the galaxy, not even close.

And that's not the main issue, the main issue is that the Godchild remarks that "the created will always rebel against their creators", and "the peace won't last" and "soon your children will create synthetics and the chaos will return". So it really doesn't matter if new FTL can be developed, as soon as the AI shows up and achieves technological singularity, good bye organics. Oh, and this time the Reapers won't be around to harvest the advanced organics before they invent AI, so damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[AtreiyaN7]

I felt my ending felt right. *shrug* Would I have like a little more detail? Certainly, but I''m good what my ending. I would also argue against the whole "bleak" aspect in the synthesis ending. I think it ended on a hopeful note (probably the destroy the Reapers option too, but I haven't done that as yet). Ditto on the coda being positive as well because we (our race) clearly survived.

[Reofeir]

I may be a small percentage, but I say the endings were good to me. I wanted to know more about why the normandy was doing it's thing and stuff, but other then that I'm fine with it. The game was great, the ending was alright.
If they say "were adding some small things to give you context on why such and such happens to the normandy", then I'll even be more happy!
But yeah, I'm good with it.

[f1r3storm]

Overall: Yes. Except the Normandy part.

[Darth_Trethon]

I like the endings....hard choices....and the three endings are far more drastically different than most care to admit. Even so I suspect that BioWare will do what Bethesda did with fallout 3....DLC to make it all better for the many rage machines out there. Still....even if they don't I won't mind a whole lot.

[UnfavoredStore]

Mettahraw, that got me thinking, maybe this is the lead to a me4, where shepard doesn't die, the second battle for the citidel occurs, we stop the reapers, then another enemy comes along, worse than the reapers, and shepard stops it. Because with an ending this bad, somthing is going to come up. I mean, there was barely over half the squad members in 3 than there was 2, and shepard DID get all those nightmares...

[UnfavoredStore]

And the endings are confusing and are probably never going to be explained what the hell just happened?!

[DarkSpiral]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Yes, the other options were ridiculous, Essentially, take control of the Reapers, invalidating all your efforts against the Illusive Man or become one with the synthetics, which seems to be waht the Reapers want anyways.

And Eezo technology is ultimately Reaper based. Element Zero tech allows for the titular mass effect fields to be created and altered, allowing for FTL, biotics, all that good stuff. Huamns learned how to use Eezo FTL from the Prothean ruins and the protheans learned from toher reaper relics left behind and so on until the creation of Eezo. With the Mass Relays destroyed you're talking about traversing 1/10, 1/2, hell even the entire length of the galaxy the hard way. It's not gonna take decades, it's gonna take millenia or more. The Eezo drive cores allow for relatively quick travel within solar system, or groups of solar systems, but between quadrants of the galaxy, not even close.

And that's not the main issue, the main issue is that the Godchild remarks that "the created will always rebel against their creators", and "the peace won't last" and "soon your children will create synthetics and the chaos will return". So it really doesn't matter if new FTL can be developed, as soon as the AI shows up and achieves technological singularity, good bye organics. Oh, and this time the Reapers won't be around to harvest the advanced organics before they invent AI, so damned if you do, damned if you don't.

You've made the rather significant assumption thjat because something was said, that this something must in fact be true.  Clearly the child is a Deus Ex Machina element, but that hardly means it is a god, and thus must be correct.

[UnfavoredStore]

But the thing is, no matter what you do, no matter how hard you try, you will always get the same result. It just makes me not want to play another mass effect game because I know that there's nothing I can do to change the outcome. For a game of choices, advertising that your choices will impact the ending, having them do so little, and by little I mean nothing, makes the whole import process irrevelent. It does work for a change, but it doesn't have that lasting effect if I know I'm just going to die anyways because some random ghost god jesus robot kid thing told me to. Looks like I can't enjoy my favorite trilogy anymore...

[UnfavoredStore]

What I mean is, I don't want to die!

[JeffZero]

I'm just... really grateful I didn't play the series for major ending permutations.

[UnfavoredStore]

Well that's good, and what kills me is that after that, martin sheen tells us it was all just a tale he made up for his son... I think, I don't know, its never explained...

[JeffZero]

UnfavoredStore wrote...

Well that's good, and what kills me is that after that, martin sheen tells us it was all just a tale he made up for his son... I think, I don't know, its never explained...

I think the writers definitely fumbled on what they probably meant to be pretty coherent stuff leading up to that scene... but that scene itself was more than likely intended to be oddly ambiguous from the get-go.

[UnfavoredStore]

Just make the confusion go away!

[JeffZero]

UnfavoredStore wrote...

Just make the confusion go away!

*fires magic beam of green at you*

[SaY4cT]

Well, you got your answer, OP. Personally, the endings didn't leave me satisfied at all, they only add to a very unneeded feeling of sadness, IMO.

[UnfavoredStore]

*angelic choir*

[JeffZero]

Just looking to help.