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[SupR G]

So essentially the galaxy's fate is determined by the random space god child who lives in the citadel. He created the hyperadvanced machine race called the Reapers, who he controls, and makes them wipe out all galactic civilzation. He does this because he cannot allow synthetics to rule the galaxy... for an unknown reason, and thus uses synthetics to massacre and enslave everyone. He then makes them leave, allows young races to flourish and evolve, and repeats the cycle. Nice kid.

So really the ultimate lesson is everyone is a pawn, there is no hope and the cycle is ultimately doomed to repeat regardless of what "solution" you pick.

Maybe someone should have investigated the citadel a little further to find the "enslave reapers" button, since apparently it was there all along.

[gmboy902]

Yes.

[Golferguy758]

This is coming from someone who was very recently in the same boat as you. Take a look at the hallucination thread...it makes sense for the most part. Couple things need to be clarified for me personally, but it's a good read.

Also, that hallucination thread is proof of one of two things.
1. We are indoctrinated by bioware to think that hallucination is a good temporary ending
2. We are rationalizing so hard that it makes sense.

[The Angry One]

Well the button wasn't there all along, it works with the Crucible, which slots into the Citadel and it's design is given to the organics who must build it as some sort of test.
What does this test prove? Who the hell knows. But apparently it proves something. Then you get to make your choices! All laid out for you by the god child because as we all know, Shepard is someone who bows to enemy authority and their wishes.

[Der Estr Bune]

SupR G wrote...

So essentially the galaxy's fate is determined by the random space god child who lives in the citadel. He created the hyperadvanced machine race called the Reapers, who he controls, and makes them wipe out all galactic civilzation. He does this because he cannot allow synthetics to rule the galaxy... for an unknown reason, and thus uses synthetics to massacre and enslave everyone. He then makes them leave, allows young races to flourish and evolve, and repeats the cycle. Nice kid.

So really the ultimate lesson is everyone is a pawn, there is no hope and the cycle is ultimately doomed to repeat regardless of what "solution" you pick.

Maybe someone should have investigated the citadel a little further to find the "enslave reapers" button, since apparently it was there all along.

I disagree with this statement at a practical level (what actually happens), but not a theoretical one (what God-Child is capable of).

Also, he doesn't want to prevent synthetics from having power, so much as he wants to prevent synthetics from annihilating all organic life in the universe.

[tommythetomcat]

Golferguy758 wrote...

This is coming from someone who was very recently in the same boat as you. Take a look at the hallucination thread...it makes sense for the most part. Couple things need to be clarified for me personally, but it's a good read.

Also, that hallucination thread is proof of one of two things.
1. We are indoctrinated by bioware to think that hallucination is a good temporary ending
2. We are rationalizing so hard that it makes sense.

I like the idea of rationalizing so hard that that its more plausable than the actual "ending"

[xPandaHunterx]

Well, when you think about it, it does make sense in some weird spacy-wacy way.

Whatever the star child was before came to the conclusion that, eventually, organic life would create synthetic life, and the synthetic life would enslave the organics. So, it created the reapers. Basically, if organic life continued normally, eventually, it would be snuffed out by synthetics.

The cycle was created to ensure that organic life would never completely be eradicated. Before the synthetics would get to the point of total domination, the reapers would come in, and wipe the slate clean so to speak. Then they would set a timer for 50,000 years (the approximate time for a new civilization to create synthetics.

The Reapers actually ARE our "salvation." Not us Humans Asari, Turian, etc. Us organics. Through the mass relays, life will always evolve the same way, eventually leading to organ - synthetic conflict. The only way to break the cycle is to destroy the relays so that we can develop on our own path.

So yes, the ending does make sense (to me at least). Just cuz it makes sense though, doesn't mean that I'm not hurling chunks over the way it was executed

[Meltemph]

xPandaHunterx wrote...

Well, when you think about it, it does make sense in some weird spacy-wacy way.

Whatever the star child was before came to the conclusion that, eventually, organic life would create synthetic life, and the synthetic life would enslave the organics. So, it created the reapers. Basically, if organic life continued normally, eventually, it would be snuffed out by synthetics.

The cycle was created to ensure that organic life would never completely be eradicated. Before the synthetics would get to the point of total domination, the reapers would come in, and wipe the slate clean so to speak. Then they would set a timer for 50,000 years (the approximate time for a new civilization to create synthetics.

The Reapers actually ARE our "salvation." Not us Humans Asari, Turian, etc. Us organics. Through the mass relays, life will always evolve the same way, eventually leading to organ - synthetic conflict. The only way to break the cycle is to destroy the relays so that we can develop on our own path.

So yes, the ending does make sense (to me at least). Just cuz it makes sense though, doesn't mean that I'm not hurling chunks over the way it was executed

I'll go along with this and say fine, the over all premise(the mind set behind the repers make sense)... but the laser beams.


My 1st reaction: WAT?  It took me awhile to even grasp the convolutedness they were offering, with the laser beam DNA mixer and the pewpew no more synthetics laser beams.  The taking control of the reapers by using the Citidel/Crucible as a communication relay and downloading your mind into it made some sense(reminded me of a star trek episode).


For me it had NOTHING to do with a sad ending, not getting to know what happened to all my decisions, even though that would have been nice... but with these massive decisions the last thing I am wondering is how the galaxy did since I brokered peace.  My biggest question is how the frick are dna/matter changing laser beams a good idea to write into existence?  I dont even care at this point that that the thing controlling the reapers was a "energy" who apparently has the ability to guide evolution.  I'm just trying to wrap my brain around super galaxy changing laser beams, I mean there is ME space magic, and then THERE IS THIS.

Modifié par Meltemph, 11 mars 2012 - 07:57 .

[toots1221]

The god child doesn't want synthetics to destroy organics so he creates a race of synthetics to wipe out organics? Yeah to quote Shepard "I haven't been shot in the head nearly enough times to make the seem like a good idea",

[wetnasty]

Not just any space child.

IT'S MORRIGAN'S GOD BABY!!!!!

~Promo for Dragon Age 3~

[thoaloa]

xPandaHunterx wrote...

Well, when you think about it, it does make sense in some weird spacy-wacy way.

Whatever the star child was before came to the conclusion that, eventually, organic life would create synthetic life, and the synthetic life would enslave the organics. So, it created the reapers. Basically, if organic life continued normally, eventually, it would be snuffed out by synthetics.

The cycle was created to ensure that organic life would never completely be eradicated. Before the synthetics would get to the point of total domination, the reapers would come in, and wipe the slate clean so to speak. Then they would set a timer for 50,000 years (the approximate time for a new civilization to create synthetics.

The Reapers actually ARE our "salvation." Not us Humans Asari, Turian, etc. Us organics. Through the mass relays, life will always evolve the same way, eventually leading to organ - synthetic conflict. The only way to break the cycle is to destroy the relays so that we can develop on our own path.

So yes, the ending does make sense (to me at least). Just cuz it makes sense though, doesn't mean that I'm not hurling chunks over the way it was executed

Dr who would not agree this is definitly not timey wimy or sapcy wacy.

This god kid put into place a plan whereby a synthetic lifeform would suff out all organic life in the galaxy peroidically and then his reasoning is that this will always happen. (Well no wonder it always happened)

Also if the Geth are their example of synthetics going loose then why exactly is it that the geth don't actually want to kill all the organics in the galaxy. (Preserving the homeworld and fighting back in self defense is pretty non-evil in my books) Until of course soverign decided to make some evil geth and try to wipe out the galaxy via the cycle.

The relays wouldnt be able to govern organic evolution because thats impossible it only governs the trade routes and most probably centers for government making it easy to commit genocide.

Edit: If the universe is that deterministic that 50k years a rouge AI will try to wipe out the galaxy then the only thing that could gurentee that is a reaper. The logic is going to implode now.

Modifié par thoaloa, 11 mars 2012 - 08:03 .

[mione]

The god child doesn't want synthetics to destroy organics so he creates a race of synthetics to wipe out organics?

This^

I want the dark energy ending back please. At least that makes sense plus isn't proven wrong by Shep in game.

[lasertank]

xPandaHunterx wrote...

Well, when you think about it, it does make sense in some weird spacy-wacy way.

Whatever the star child was before came to the conclusion that, eventually, organic life would create synthetic life, and the synthetic life would enslave the organics. So, it created the reapers. Basically, if organic life continued normally, eventually, it would be snuffed out by synthetics.

The cycle was created to ensure that organic life would never completely be eradicated. Before the synthetics would get to the point of total domination, the reapers would come in, and wipe the slate clean so to speak. Then they would set a timer for 50,000 years (the approximate time for a new civilization to create synthetics.

The Reapers actually ARE our "salvation." Not us Humans Asari, Turian, etc. Us organics. Through the mass relays, life will always evolve the same way, eventually leading to organ - synthetic conflict. The only way to break the cycle is to destroy the relays so that we can develop on our own path.

So yes, the ending does make sense (to me at least). Just cuz it makes sense though, doesn't mean that I'm not hurling chunks over the way it was executed

They don't make any sense.

If you chose the "DESTROY" ending. Then you agree with the assertion - "Organic lives will be eventually destroyed by synthetics." But you just solved the conflict between Geth and Quarian. You even have a crew EDI learning the essense of life. And there would no argument dialog choice for you to argue with the AI kid. You simply agree with him and destroy all synthetic lives. How would this make any sense.

If you choose the "SYNTHETIC" ending, ask yourself the following questions. Why does it require my DNA? Is there anything special about  it? If this is the ultimate solution, why had it not been done before? What roles do human play in this solution? Why would I jump before all these questions got answered?

The "Control" ending - You believe all the crap the kid AI give you. There is no other way out. Either sacrifice yourself to control reapers or reapers will destroy all of you. Why should I trust him? Why no further argument? 

All the scenes are contrived, ill-written, and illogical. Not fitting with Shepard's personality and characteristic. Make no sense.

[Smiley556]

Spoiler: the kid is a reaper trying to indoctrinate you.

[Rafe34]

Smiley556 wrote...

Spoiler: the kid is a reaper trying to indoctrinate you.

And everything after Harbinger's blast is a hallucination.

Please let this be a backup plan for Bioware if lots of people didn't like their dumb ending.