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[Archereon]

Yalision wrote...

So here we can see just how dissatisfied people are with the endings in the game. I find it absolutely mind-blowing that a forum-created poll has had such a massive response. Bioware, I hope and pray you see just how unhappy people are with the end of your game that such a force has taken the time to respond to a niche poll with so little exposure as this. I think it just needed to be said.

Less than 1% of the consumer base, and by far the most volatile and non-indicative of the core demographic subset of the consumer base.


Considering double voting it quite easy to do by playing with noscript, I'd estimate that only a third or two thirds of those votes are from unique users.

Modifié par Archereon, 11 mars 2012 - 07:39 .

[Greed1914]

t003 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

The journey is more important than the destination.

In a movie or book, most likely. In a video game that prides its self on choice, they are even in importance.

Yep.  In a passive medium, I'm pretty willing to accept that even if I thought the ending was poor, at least the rest can be fun.  At a minimum, I know that I'm just being shown someone else's story.  Sure, there are limits to what we can do in Bioware games, but the whole point was to create "our" stories with "our" Shepard.  When the audience is given sizable control over the journey, the same should hold true over the destination. 

[Foehamer1]

Citizen Q wrote...

UltraBulldozer wrote...

Can someone explain what they didnt like about the ending in depth? I liked mine which was the destroy choice with Shepard living. My only problems are with how we are told that the synthesis choice is the only one that will destroy the Relays yet every single one appears to, The player is left guessing where the normandy and crew end up, and if my shepard is alive how the hell is anyone gonna save him from bleeding out on the debri of the catalyst?   

-The endings take nothing from the games into account, they are effectively in a bubble sealed off from the rest of the ME universe. Not a good move in a game based around choice.

- Every good/bad thing you did in the lead up to the end is effectivly erased by the collapse of Galactic Civilization due to the destruction of the relays. This is also the exact opposite of what we we're trying to accomplish, The preservation of Galactic Society.

- Because the relays are destroyed, large parts of every major galactic race are now stuck in the Sol system including a fleet of pirates, a receipe for disaster even if the one stabilizing element, Shepard wasn't dead or incapacitated and Earth's life supporting infrastructure hadn't just been decimated by a Reaper invasion. Not to mention all the Turian's and Quarian's will starve due to lack of Dextro-amino food supplies.

- Shepard has made a career out of taking the option not offered, in any situation from dealing with the Council to dealing with a Reaper. Now, the master of the Reapers, the one being Shepard should consider his arch-enemy offers him 3 horrible solutions to the Reaper problem, and Shep just blindly excepts not only the options, but the limited explanations given to him by a being who just admitted to wiping out untold numbers of CIVILIZATIONS.

-Shep has no chance at a happy ending even if he survives, due to his crew and significant other being stranded on another planet with the relays destroyed. Why they ran from the battle and how the members of Shep's squad on Earth got back to the Normandy is left unexplained.

The three options themselves are also repulsive.

-Control is wrong because the Reapers are evil and the galaxy deserves to be rid of them.

-Destroy is wrong because it kills EDI and the Geth.

-Systhesis is the worst of them because it takes a dump all over the principles of free will and self determination, two ideas which are central to the Mass Effect universe at large.

-The worst aspect of the endings is that all of them destroy the Mass Relays, which will cause the collapse of galactic society thereby rendering all the things you did to bring the galaxy together or make humans dominante irrelevent. I.E. Wrex is now stuck on Earth, rendering the Genophage cure pointless as the Krogan will continue to destroy each other without him.

-Many peoples Shepards (mine included) would never have settled for the 3 options presented, prefering to go down fighting against impossible odds while searching for another way, however this was not an option given to us by Bioware. Just blindly be lead around by a genocidal little bast'ard.

Overall the endings are a travesty and a black stain on what would otherwise be the best Sci-Fi story in recent history.

You also forgot to mention the part where when a Mass Relay is destroyed, so is the system as shown in the Mass Effect 2 Arrival DLC.

[Citizen Q]

Was leaving that up to interpretation as many feel that this isn't the case in the ending due to the signal being sent out from the Citadel, they stopped spinning before explosion, etc. but if that is the case, just add it to the ass-sandwich I already listed.

[Citizen Q]

Archereon wrote...

Yalision wrote...

So here we can see just how dissatisfied people are with the endings in the game. I find it absolutely mind-blowing that a forum-created poll has had such a massive response. Bioware, I hope and pray you see just how unhappy people are with the end of your game that such a force has taken the time to respond to a niche poll with so little exposure as this. I think it just needed to be said.

Less than 1% of the consumer base, and by far the most volatile and non-indicative of the core demographic subset of the consumer base.


Considering double voting it quite easy to do by playing with noscript, I'd estimate that only a third or two thirds of those votes are from unique users.

Yes, all the talk about the endings sucking all over the internet is indicative of your conclusions.

***FACEPALM***

But bonus points for using big words like core-demographic and volatile to give the impression that you actually know what your talking about.

Modifié par Citizen Q, 11 mars 2012 - 07:54 .

[realpokerjedi]

Isn't there a fair possibility that even if they fix the ending, they could screw that up too?
I mean in reality they couldn't do worse, but we are talking about the same writers here...

[Citizen Q]

realpokerjedi wrote...

Isn't there a fair possibility that even if they fix the ending, they could screw that up too?
I mean in reality they couldn't do worse, but we are talking about the same writers here...

Are we talking about the same writers who wrote so many beautiful scenes in this game that I as a grown man was close to tears on several occasions.

Thane's death and Mordin's sacrifice were the two most prominent, even as someone who is not very religious, Thane's prayer for Shepard as he died got to me.

It's obvious that they can write, but how the same people who wrote such glorious things as the first 97% of the game wrote the ending is a mystery I may never solve.

Modifié par Citizen Q, 11 mars 2012 - 08:06 .

[Headshotmaster]

Sywen wrote...

The destination killed the journey.

Exactly...



Let's call marriage a journey...

Now lets say after 20 years on this journey, I wake up and come to find my wife drowned the kids because she was high on PCP, and mentally crazy.

Ya think the Journey would have mattered to me in the end? You really think I would look back and be happy? You really think those 20 years would have been worth it?


What the ending of mass effect 3 did, was contradict us ever having participated in the journey in the first place.

I know my analogy is harsh, and way beyond extreme, but you get the idea. I payed over 200 dollars for everything I put into the Mass Effect Franchise. I spent hundreds of hours, and completed several playthoughs... And for what? 

Modifié par Headshotmaster, 11 mars 2012 - 08:19 .

[Citizen Q]

Headshotmaster wrote...

Sywen wrote...

The destination killed the journey.

Exactly...



Let's call marriage a journey...

Now lets say after 20 years on this journey, I wake up and come to find my wife drowned the kids because she was high on PCP, and mentally crazy.

Ya think the Journey would have mattered to me in the end? You really think I would look back and be happy? You really think those 20 years would have been worth it?


What the ending of mass effect 3 did, was contradict us ever having participated in the journey in the first place.

I know my analogy is harsh, and way beyond extreme, but you get the idea. I payed over 200 dollars for everything I put into the Mass Effect Franchise. I spent hundreds of hours, and completed several playthoughs... And for what? 

But..... you got to chose the color of your explosion.... Y U Mad Bro?

[Phoenix_Fyre]

12632 votes so far

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayum

[AxisEvolve]

Archereon wrote...
Less than 1% of the consumer base, and by far the most volatile and non-indicative of the core demographic subset of the consumer base.


Considering double voting it quite easy to do by playing with noscript, I'd estimate that only a third or two thirds of those votes are from unique users.

Once again. Do you understand the concept of polling?

When has a poll ever included 100% of people? Even your typical political poll only surveys between 500-1500 people. 

People who keep bringing up this point, please learn how polls work before you say anything.


Also, you are so sure double voting is possible on here. But notice how it only reflects on your profile the first time.

[Headshotmaster]

Citizen Q wrote...

Headshotmaster wrote...

Sywen wrote...

The destination killed the journey.

Exactly...



Let's call marriage a journey...

Now lets say after 20 years on this journey, I wake up and come to find my wife drowned the kids because she was high on PCP, and mentally crazy.

Ya think the Journey would have mattered to me in the end? You really think I would look back and be happy? You really think those 20 years would have been worth it?


What the ending of mass effect 3 did, was contradict us ever having participated in the journey in the first place.

I know my analogy is harsh, and way beyond extreme, but you get the idea. I payed over 200 dollars for everything I put into the Mass Effect Franchise. I spent hundreds of hours, and completed several playthoughs... And for what? 

But..... you got to chose the color of your explosion.... Y U Mad Bro?

Time and money... Time and money. Haha.

And I'll add this other concept:

We play games, and enter sports... because even though we know our odds might be good or not... we know we can still win. There is always a chance. Even if it's one in a million, we still have that chance. 

We don't get that here. We have the red pill, the blue pill, and the green pill... And what no one says is, is that they are all suppositories...

Modifié par Headshotmaster, 11 mars 2012 - 08:49 .

[lasertank]

The vote option is actually limited and does not express comprehensiveness about why the ending sucks

[Yalision]

lasertank wrote...

The vote option is actually limited and does not express comprehensiveness about why the ending sucks

I think there are plenty of threads elaborately describing just why the endings suck. But it's always interesting to bring numbers like this to the forefront. It's near universal where you look, definitely above half of all responses you read are negative in regards to the endings.

[JamesYHT]

vigna wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

The journey is more important than the destination.

Tell that to yourself when you don't make it to the  toilet.

nice one,