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[Rashala]

Time will tell.....I have to agree....I say wait and see....I cannot see Bioware Flipping off thier fans like this appears.

[viperabyss]

Malakar1 wrote...

That's pretty the theory I came up with. I mean, the poor guy was just exhausted, under stress, wounded and any other thing you can imagine. Of course, this theory really as no flaw. I know some people love to hate Bioware and EA but really, do you think they just put all the emphasis on a kid for nothing? See the kid, the kid dies, dreams with kid then, a god like kid comes out in the last minutes of the game? It may be too complex for some people but, it makes perfect sense and, would be a brilliant ending. I don't know about the DLC thing though. don't think they would make you download the "real" end. Some people don't have their console plug to the net so they wouldn't be able to get the "real end". Anyway, time will tell. Ragers will rage and I will still keep this as my ending. Everything is pointing to it. No way its just coincidence.

I really fail to see how this is a brilliant ending. The kid was not introduced in the first ME. He is only present in the last installment of the game, and he was there to stir up emotional response. To use him to answer all of the question is disingenuous to say the least.

[Mitra]

Well, hallucination or not, this is not the way!

If they wanted our Shepard to be hallucinating, they could implement that on some other, visible way inside the game.

I put more then 1500 hours of my precious time and energy into my favorite Mass Effect universe and I am not satisfied with some delusional hallucination form of ending.
It's the same as they are saying "You are being hallucinating for last 5 years. We don't care. That's our fine way of interpreting pure art from our side. Everything else is up to your rich (hallucinating and delusional) imagination.... But eh, you will for sure like Our way of interpreting art. It will cost you 80$ (about 130$ in my case after currency conversion and stupid country that I live in)."

I want more options and more endings and that's all. I wont give up. I deserve it (just like the rest of majority).

Modifié par Mitra, 11 mars 2012 - 07:32 .

[crimsontotem]

My point exactly. This is a perfect time to indoctrinate Shepard as he is experiencing fatigue and despair. Up to first two games when he was faced with the reapers, he was unbreakable. Hell in this game he was so adamant taking down the reapers. However, you can hear despair and exhaustiveness in his voice during his mission in London, Shepard is going through mental damage which is the best opportunity for Harbinger to break Shepard's will. Which form he would take in his head? how about that kid who Shepard has been haunted by for the entire game? To Harbinger, breaking Shepard's will then vaporizing him is more significant then just straight out killing him.

Remember what TIM said? Cerberus is an idea, idea never dies... Throughout the game, we can see Shepard has became no just a BAMF, but a concept, an idea that represents the resistance, determination, passion and will to live. (Wrex clearly imply my statement when he said to every Krogan, the word Shepard will mean a 'hero') Even Shepard dies, the idea of unification against the great unknown will not disappear, unless you break and bend that idea itself...

two of the three ending does not represent Shepard... this clearly violate his determination to destroy reapers by either becoming one with synthetic, a final stage of evolution (Saren mentioned this as well when he was indoctrinated) or trying to control them... which you are never able to. However, by sticking to his determination... Shepard is finally able to break Harbinger's attempt to indoctrinate him and wakes up after getting knocked out by the beam. That is the only way why Harbinger himself came down to London and Shepard waking up under "mortars", "concretes" and "rebars".

[Smiley556]

viperabyss wrote...

Malakar1 wrote...

That's pretty the theory I came up with. I mean, the poor guy was just exhausted, under stress, wounded and any other thing you can imagine. Of course, this theory really as no flaw. I know some people love to hate Bioware and EA but really, do you think they just put all the emphasis on a kid for nothing? See the kid, the kid dies, dreams with kid then, a god like kid comes out in the last minutes of the game? It may be too complex for some people but, it makes perfect sense and, would be a brilliant ending. I don't know about the DLC thing though. don't think they would make you download the "real" end. Some people don't have their console plug to the net so they wouldn't be able to get the "real end". Anyway, time will tell. Ragers will rage and I will still keep this as my ending. Everything is pointing to it. No way its just coincidence.

I really fail to see how this is a brilliant ending. The kid was not introduced in the first ME. He is only present in the last installment of the game, and he was there to stir up emotional response. To use him to answer all of the question is disingenuous to say the least.

Its brilliant writing, not a brilliant ending. I dont believe it is the end, the end is still to come.

[pro5]

Wow, this... actually makes sense.

[Archereon]

Johndoev2 wrote...

I do believe the first stage of grief is Denial....

Stages of grief have been discredited by contemperary psychology; not all individuals experience them in the same way or at all.

[realpokerjedi]

I call this...
"There is something different about this writing Mac Walters... Like you added less plot and more ass."

For the record most understand the endings fine, they just suck and are poorly done.

Sounds like you are doing a Star Wars Episode I classic rationalization, so the rest of the series isn't spoiled for you.

My rationalization for Episode one, worked years later... somehow.

It won't in this case.

Modifié par realpokerjedi, 11 mars 2012 - 07:48 .

[creapsmantic]

using laser weapons to kill reapers would have made more sense

[NoUserNameHere]

It's been 24 hours since I finished the game. Flagged the indoctrination 'ending' around 23 hours ago. The only real thing against it is that the Catalyst doesn't get angry as you approach the destroy pylon.

That said, I doubt it's a teaser for some to-be-downloaded patch. More likely that the writer's added this ambiguity because they realized they dun goofed.

[Mitra]

Okay, what I must admit is that on the far end, scene with that old man with that kid wanting more stories about Shepard and grandpa's answer "Ok, I will tell you another one...", well, I'm curious what the hell was that??
If that is all true, then I'm happy I decided to destroy everything into pieces at the end.

Hmmm...if I recall well, game did not came out worldwide up to this date? I heard somewhere that it still has to go out in Asia, I think the date was 15th of March. Or maybe I'm wrong... or delusional.. or in hope that my heroine still has the chance for love.
This could be possible because the whole ME3 until those last few minutes was the best gaming experience I ever had before (and I think a lot of you could agree on that one with me, no matter of some minor bugs).

If this is true, then this may be the wildest gaming journey ever for all of us!
Imagine being a part of it and tell that to your grandchildren one day...

[creapsmantic]

Mitra wrote...

Okay, what I must admit is that on the far end, scene with that old man with that kid wanting more stories about Shepard and grandpa's answer "Ok, I will tell you another one...", well, I'm curious what the hell was that??
If that is all true, then I'm happy I decided to destroy everything into pieces at the end.

Hmmm...if I recall well, game did not came out worldwide up to this date? I heard somewhere that it still has to go out in Asia, I think the date was 15th of March. Or maybe I'm wrong... or delusional.. or in hope that my heroine still has the chance for love.
This could be possible because the whole ME3 until those last few minutes was the best gaming experience I ever had before (and I think a lot of you could agree on that one with me, no matter of some minor bugs).

If this is true, then this may be the wildest gaming journey ever for all of us!
Imagine being a part of it and tell that to your grandchildren one day...

depends wut story he told    might have been  the paragon shep or  renegde shep 

[Smiley556]

Mitra wrote...

Okay, what I must admit is that on the far end, scene with that old man with that kid wanting more stories about Shepard and grandpa's answer "Ok, I will tell you another one...", well, I'm curious what the hell was that??
If that is all true, then I'm happy I decided to destroy everything into pieces at the end.

Hmmm...if I recall well, game did not came out worldwide up to this date? I heard somewhere that it still has to go out in Asia, I think the date was 15th of March. Or maybe I'm wrong... or delusional.. or in hope that my heroine still has the chance for love.
This could be possible because the whole ME3 until those last few minutes was the best gaming experience I ever had before (and I think a lot of you could agree on that one with me, no matter of some minor bugs).

If this is true, then this may be the wildest gaming journey ever for all of us!
Imagine being a part of it and tell that to your grandchildren one day...

I do believe that ending hints the story continues 'tell me another story' 'oke, one more story' *insert continueation of the story from the part shepard wakes up here*

And you are right, the game did not come out worldwide on the same date (I'm from europe, waiting 2 extra days was excrutiating, and some US players had already completed the game by the time we started).

As someone mentioned before, its not an entirely new concept, its been done before with movies, filming the 'true' ending secretly to avoid spoilers. Yes it would be a ballsy move on biowares part, but a ballsy move that is brilliant and absolutely justified.

[Mitra]

Do we have here someone from China or Japan maybe? Someone who can actually say that game came out in their region?
I think I heard correctly, 15th....

[Arisugawa]

If it is a dream sequence, why can you die if you fail to shoot the Husks and the Harvester between you and the transport beam?

[Smiley556]

Mitra wrote...

Do we have here someone from China or Japan maybe? Someone who can actually say that game came out in their region?
I think I heard correctly, 15th....

Just checked it, the Japanese release date is indead the 15th. 
ie. the game isnt out globaly yet and Bioware is not going to release the ending untill Atleast global release of the game. We are going to have to sit tight and put our trust in them.

[AxisEvolve]

I don't get why people think the reason we don't like it is because we don't understand it. That is entirely inaccurate. It's a fairly simple ending it's just completely out of place with way too many inconsistencies and plot holes.

[CerI3erus]

i think everyone is forgetting the major player here EA owns bioware EA is known to string things out to make as much money as they can and with the mass effect series so popular and with so much fans i would believe it if there is a DLC to actually continue the game.

edit:  and lets be honest if they did release it we would all buy the DLC reguardless if we said we wouldnt and then EA can make more money

Modifié par CerI3erus, 11 mars 2012 - 08:44 .

[Smiley556]

AxisEvolve wrote...

I don't get why people think the reason we don't like it is because we don't understand it. That is entirely inaccurate. It's a fairly simple ending it's just completely out of place with way too many inconsistencies and plot holes.

Oke I'm aware that this is going to sound really smug but I cant quickly find another way to put it. The fact that you call it an 'ending' is what gives me the idea you dont understand it. Have you considered the fact that all those inconsistencies and plot holes in your understanding of the "ending" might be because you did indeed misinterpret all of it? In my viewing it made perfect sense, I see no plot holes nor inconsistencies if you consider the fact that this is not the end of the story.

[revo76]

only about the ending dlc

[Spectre_Shepard]

I hope this is true. I really, really do.

But I don't think it is.

[cure1ightwounds]

Smiley556 wrote...

Oke I'm aware that this is going to sound really smug but I cant quickly find another way to put it. The fact that you call it an 'ending' is what gives me the idea you dont understand it. Have you considered the fact that all those inconsistencies and plot holes in your understanding of the "ending" might be because you did indeed misinterpret all of it? In my viewing it made perfect sense, I see no plot holes nor inconsistencies if you consider the fact that this is not the end of the story.

... but it IS the end of the story...

I retract my statment, I did not read your previous point to get your point. Carry on. 

Modifié par cure1ightwounds, 11 mars 2012 - 09:00 .

[Mitra]

Modifié par Mitra, 11 mars 2012 - 09:12 .

[AxisEvolve]

Smiley556 wrote...
Oke I'm aware that this is going to sound really smug but I cant quickly find another way to put it. The fact that you call it an 'ending' is what gives me the idea you dont understand it. Have you considered the fact that all those inconsistencies and plot holes in your understanding of the "ending" might be because you did indeed misinterpret all of it? In my viewing it made perfect sense, I see no plot holes nor inconsistencies if you consider the fact that this is not the end of the story.

I call it an ending because it is how the game Mass Effect 3 ends.

Your hallucination theory is interesting but it is just a theory. I think it's far more likely that Mac Walters (who has had problems creating stories with excessive plot holes in the past) simply rushed the ending.

I respect your theory but please don't act like it's a fact. You didn't create the ending so you do not know.

For the record I hope it is all a hallucination but however you want to spin it, there's no proof.

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 11 mars 2012 - 09:00 .

[Nyaore]

Smiley556 wrote...

viperabyss wrote...

Malakar1 wrote...

That's pretty the theory I came up with. I mean, the poor guy was just exhausted, under stress, wounded and any other thing you can imagine. Of course, this theory really as no flaw. I know some people love to hate Bioware and EA but really, do you think they just put all the emphasis on a kid for nothing? See the kid, the kid dies, dreams with kid then, a god like kid comes out in the last minutes of the game? It may be too complex for some people but, it makes perfect sense and, would be a brilliant ending. I don't know about the DLC thing though. don't think they would make you download the "real" end. Some people don't have their console plug to the net so they wouldn't be able to get the "real end". Anyway, time will tell. Ragers will rage and I will still keep this as my ending. Everything is pointing to it. No way its just coincidence.

I really fail to see how this is a brilliant ending. The kid was not introduced in the first ME. He is only present in the last installment of the game, and he was there to stir up emotional response. To use him to answer all of the question is disingenuous to say the least.

Its brilliant writing, not a brilliant ending. I dont believe it is the end, the end is still to come.

Uh, no, no it's not. Brilliant writing would have been foreshadowing something like the Guardian throughout the storyline, in little bits and pieces so we can finally connect the dots when we're finally face to face with it. Brilliant writing would have also kept the tone the same throughout like with RDR (now THAT ending was brilliant-and it was brilliant for some of the very reasons I'm posting), and would have written in more examples to support the assertions being made by this entity. Because, let's face it, EDI and the potential resolution of the Geth/Quarian conflict pretty much negates a lot of credibility to their argument.
The endings fail because none of this happened. It doesn't matter how good an ending might sound on it's own, without the proper backstory and work put into making it mesh with the rest of the lore, and making sure it doesn't come clear out of left field, it's falls flat on it's face.

Modifié par Nyaore, 11 mars 2012 - 09:22 .