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[taylortexas]

I admire your attempt to justify a lackluster ending to an incredible series and game, but I just don't buy it. This is supposed to be it. This is Mass Effect 3, and we are playing a trilogy. Mass Effect 3 is the end of Commander Shepard, and so once I have finished playing and the credits are rolling, well, that is the end as far as I'm concerned.

With the complete uproar within the Mass Effect community, it is possible that BioWare will make an effort to calm the storm. It worked with Fallout, so we know that this isn't something unheard of in gaming. At the very least, they just have to acknowledge that they've hurt the vast majority of their devoted fanbase. That acknowledgement could just as easily be, "Don't like it? OH WELL." But there is no ignoring this, you simply can't pretend that it isn't happening.

At the current point and time, I don't think the suggestions in this thread are actually what BioWare have been planning all along. If you have a great ending, why wouldn't you just put that in the game? Why include this underwhelming nonsense, just to say "AH HA!" and save face? It's illogical. I can see some of the points made to back this indoctrination/hallucination theory, but I believe Occam's razor triumphs here: the simplest explanation is likely the right one. And the simplest explanation is that BioWare's writers put together an illogical, contradictory, and nonsensical ending for an otherwise amazing game series.

I hope they can fix this, but I don't believe it'll be along the lines suggested in here.

Modifié par taylortexas, 11 mars 2012 - 09:03 .

[Wattoes]

Making it a dream, and not an obvious dream is just as bad and stupid as the ending is.

Its vague, people would merely be guessing. As far as they concerned in all likelyhood what they saw was real.  We all know how bad the ending itself is....  That leads to people being pissed off and furious after playing your game and your story.

The ending killed the ENTIRE franchise me. A "haha, it was a dream" isn't going to solve that. Its going to make me hate their sloppy writing and poor decisions just as much as the ending itself.

If it was a dream fine.  Thats great.  However I DONT need credits rolling, I need to see after the sequence that it WAS a dream.  

Assuming I dont pay attention to posts or dlc or anything of the sort, my last impression of ME3 is going to be ending I was provided.

Modifié par Wattoes, 11 mars 2012 - 09:06 .

[lietk12]

There is some circumstantial evidence of at least the ending part—Shiala mentions in her email that she still suffers from indoctrination, but that the combined force of all the other Feros colonists linked to her mind keeps her sane. This parallels the OP's hypothesis of how Shepard has flashbacks and would dream of the normandy and the crew for some peace of mind.

[Smiley556]

taylortexas wrote...

At the current point and time, I don't think the suggestions in this thread are actually what BioWare have been planning all along. If you have a great ending, why wouldn't you just put that in the game? Why include this underwhelming nonsense, just to say "AH HA!" and save face? It's illogical.

As pointed out before, it has been done with movies, filming another secret 'true' ending which will only be revealed after release to avoid spoilers. The game isnt out yet globaly (Japan release date is 15th). The only way to avoid the end being revealed before everybody has had a chance to play it would be to not have the ending in the game at all before the release is done, this way the ending cant be datamined.

[Mitra]

Our friend Clancop just posted this recently on other thread.
Now it makes sense.
Especially the last sentence: "The player's also the architect of what happens."

Just a reminder for everyone of what Mike Gamble said to Eurogamer.

http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry

"We have a really talented team of writers. We go through iteration after iteration, making it the best and most satisfying we can... It's going to make some people extremely happy. It's going to make some people angry. But that's part of it, right? To invoke the emotion putting some of these stories to bed will naturally bring up.... I honestly think the player base is going to be really happy with the way we've done it. You had a part in it. Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."


I JUST NOTICED THAT MY INSTALLED GAME FOLDER IS ONLY "11.2 GB" INSTEAD OF 15GB. SOMETHING IS MISSING, A "LOT" OF SOMETHING!

[Smiley556]

Mitra wrote...

I JUST NOTICED THAT MY INSTALLED GAME FOLDER IS ONLY "11.2 GB" INSTEAD OF 15GB. SOMETHING IS MISSING, A "LOT" OF SOMETHING!

Gee I wonder what that could be.

[Mitra]

If I remember correctly, by given the game specifications, the game was 15gb heavy.
Something is cooking!

What the hell you up to, BioWare?!?

edit: I have ME3 CE with  everything installed (even that DLC From Ashes). 11.2GB >>>>>Weird.

Modifié par Mitra, 11 mars 2012 - 09:17 .

[killnoob]

GoblinSapper wrote...

From an in-textual perspective your theory makes sense but you have to examine things from a meta-textual perspective. Why would Bioware troll it's consumers in this fashion? Why invite the bad PR from releasing the real ending later, whether for free or not? It wouldn't. Your mind is undergoing a coping strategy called 'Bargaining', it's one of the stages of grief.

+1

[Dracotamer]

Why would they END the story with a cliffhanger when they said it would be a CLEAR and non VAGUE ending?

[Smiley556]

killnoob wrote...

GoblinSapper wrote...

From an in-textual perspective your theory makes sense but you have to examine things from a meta-textual perspective. Why would Bioware troll it's consumers in this fashion? Why invite the bad PR from releasing the real ending later, whether for free or not? It wouldn't. Your mind is undergoing a coping strategy called 'Bargaining', it's one of the stages of grief.

+1

I responded to this earlier:

From a meta point of view I could present other questions. Why would bioware suddenly have such bad inconsistent story writing only in the last minutes? Why would their PR lie about the end of the game so blatently? Why are producers ensuring us we should hold on to our ME3?

It feels to me that Bioware is making a groundbraking ballsy move not shipping the ending of the game with the original release. There are plenty reason to justify it.

Ofcourse there is the debate if we will stand for this. The initial shock to the fanbase and ofcourse the even more horrible possibility we might have to pay for the DLC.

[Mitra]

Dracotamer wrote...

Why would they END the story with a cliffhanger when they said it would be a CLEAR and non VAGUE ending?

Agreed. Now I think this was all a part of the plan.....
We will see pretty soon.

11.2gb instead of 15gb. Weird.

[Smiley556]

Dracotamer wrote...

Why would they END the story with a cliffhanger when they said it would be a CLEAR and non VAGUE ending?

Because there will be a clear and non vague ending released somewhere after the game is released globaly (ME3 releases in Japan 3 days from now).

[Mitra]

Prince_Valiant wrote...

Mitra wrote...

If I remember correctly, by given the game specifications, the game was 15gb heavy.
Something is cooking!

What the hell you up to, BioWare?!?

edit: I have ME3 CE with  everything installed (even that DLC From Ashes). 11.2GB >>>>>Weird.

13,8 GB here (DDE with 1,8 GB bonus materials). Perhaps the size depends on the selected language?

I really don't know. I always take english language (since I'm Croatian and they don't support my language).

[rilzik]

To put it simply, there is no way in hell any company making a multi hundreds million dollar franchise is going to end it with a hallucination.

Modifié par rilzik, 11 mars 2012 - 09:31 .

[Mitra]

rilzik wrote...

To put it simply, there is no way in hell any company making a multi hundreds million dollar franchise is going to end it with a hallucination.

Maybe they still have to "end it".

[revo76]

Mitra wrote...

Prince_Valiant wrote...

Mitra wrote...

If I remember correctly, by given the game specifications, the game was 15gb heavy.
Something is cooking!

What the hell you up to, BioWare?!?

edit: I have ME3 CE with  everything installed (even that DLC From Ashes). 11.2GB >>>>>Weird.

13,8 GB here (DDE with 1,8 GB bonus materials). Perhaps the size depends on the selected language?

I really don't know. I always take english language (since I'm Croatian and they don't support my language).

11.2 - same, i got CE Retail 

[Smiley556]

rilzik wrote...

To put it simply, there is no way in hell any company making a multi hundreds million dollar franchise is going to end it with a hallucination.

Exactly, you are absolutely right. There will be an ending, just sit tight and wait for it, this is obviously not the end of the game. 

[Billabong2011]

You're kidding, right? Sorry, not trying to be mean, I really just cannot tell whether you're being serious or not. I think I detect sarcasm, OP, but...I'm not sure.

[CitizenSnips]

You just described a cliffhanger, not an ending.

[Mitra]

And they also stated that it is better for us to keep our ME3 save game.

[CitizenSnips]

If someone ****s on my face and offers me a cookie afterwards, I still have **** on my face.

Modifié par mushoops86anjyl, 11 mars 2012 - 09:42 .

[BP20125810]

One huge miscalculation. What about the bit with the stargazer at the end? About Shepard being a legend. How does that fit into the indoctrination/dream theory. Maybe the real ending comes before?

I hope to God your right though, and the ending is on the XBL tuesday. Otherwise my xbox is going into the trash.

[Mitra]

Yes, I don't agree with them too, If we really are right and they will give us "proper" ending after 15th.

I don't like when someone is making an idiot out of me.

Modifié par Mitra, 11 mars 2012 - 09:44 .