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[kerec]

I am kind of confused why people hated the ending so much? Life isn't always a sweet rose or a box of chocolates. Mass Effect has all was dealt with the 'harsh' nature of reality. The fact that a sacrifice was necessary doesn't seem odd to me.

Also, this opens up the series for continuation, with throw back references to the 'ancient days' (this case referring to the time period of the events of ME1-3) when the way the species of the universe forever changed!

Think about the reports you get in regards to how you united the galaxy (assuming you weren't a complete jerk). You would read messages and reports of species helping each other out, imagine systems without the ME Relays, with mixes of different alien races being left on them. How do the develop together now? Do the Krogan play nice on the planets that they are stranded on? Do the species create camps and war against each other or unify? There is a lot of room, in my humble opinion.

[Sywen]

I think what many are asking for is a choice. You keep the ending you want, let me choose mine.

ME has always been about choices and none of them mattered in the end. That's what ruined the entire series for me.

[Leafs43]

Well apart from the 4 minutes of the star child god blowing major plot holes into basically 3 whole games, erasing the personality of the reapers. none of the endings are unique.

They are all the same ending, with zero closure. Your choice is green, red or blue.

[gunsagogo]

I think the ending was pretty good. It gives it a solid sense of finality that would have been hard to achieve otherwise. If you didn't get the "perfect" ending and anderson ends up dead, it can be a somewhat emotional ending, what with the illusive man essentially saying "I cant fight it, make things right shepherd", andersons death, etc.

The only parts that really bother me are the..randomness of the normandy at the end, and the fact that the galaxy is again divided, and that entire god damn fleet just what, survived? or were destroyed like the normandy?

[Osiris273]

Good for you, but I sure don't like it.

[Lexagg]

"I am the very model of an internet contrarian"

[VerdantSF]

Sywen wrote...

I think what many are asking for is a choice. You keep the ending you want, let me choose mine.

ME has always been about choices and none of them mattered in the end. That's what ruined the entire series for me.

Exactly.  Why did I have to send the Reapers back into Darkspace when I controlled them?  It would've been great, if a high reputation Shepard could've turned to Star Child and said, "there's a fourth choice," and proceeded to control the Reapers and send them all flying into the Sun.

[Plasma Prestige]

What made the ending dissatisfying to me wasn't the grim nature of it, it was the lack of variety and the lack of closure and explanation. I think one of the best endings could have been humanity sacrificing itself to stop the Reapers so the rest of the galaxy can finally live in peace.

[Billabong2011]

Not to be offensive in any way, but I would appreciate it if you and everyone else who liked the endings would cease pegging those who don't as ones who can't handle the fact it isn't a 'happily-ever-after.' I loathe the endings because they do not do justice to the universe Bioware created, that they provide no closure to the end of the trilogy, that they are contrived conclusions that insult my intelligence as the gamer. The ending could have been the Reapers winning and all life being extinguished and I would have been happy so long as it had been of good quality - justified in terms of the preestablished lore of the universe, and justified for the characters we'd come to know and love.

I don't care that it's bittersweet. I care that it's unfounded in any real prior mythology given us in ME's universe.

Sorry if that came off as rude. But it grows wearying to be told why I feel the way I do over and over again.

[Militarized]

Did you play Mass Effect 1 and 2?

[VerdantSF]

Lexagg wrote...

"I am the very model of an internet contrarian"

/win

[Nefelius]

gunsagogo wrote...

I think the ending was pretty good. It gives it a solid sense of finality that would have been hard to achieve otherwise. If you didn't get the "perfect" ending and anderson ends up dead, it can be a somewhat emotional ending, what with the illusive man essentially saying "I cant fight it, make things right shepherd", andersons death, etc.

The only parts that really bother me are the..randomness of the normandy at the end, and the fact that the galaxy is again divided, and that entire god damn fleet just what, survived? or were destroyed like the normandy?

The thing about these endings is there is not a sence of finality, there is no sense at all. All 3 endings nullify everything we've been shown in previous 2 games, along with every choice we've made.

We don't want ponies and butterflies. We want something that isn't space magic deus ex machina  and at least makes some sense.

[Jjacobclark]

gunsagogo wrote...

I think the ending was pretty good. It gives it a solid sense of finality that would have been hard to achieve otherwise. If you didn't get the "perfect" ending and anderson ends up dead, it can be a somewhat emotional ending, what with the illusive man essentially saying "I cant fight it, make things right shepherd", andersons death, etc.

The only parts that really bother me are the..randomness of the normandy at the end, and the fact that the galaxy is again divided, and that entire god damn fleet just what, survived? or were destroyed like the normandy?

it resolves nothing, answers no questions and leaves a lot of plotholes, if nothing else the plotholes and green space magic should bother you.

[Foehamer1]

I'm confused as to why you loved a plot hole filled ending. The most confusing part for me was as to why the Galaxy wasn't wiped out. We already saw that an exploding Mass Relay wipes out a solar system from previous DLC in Mass Effect 2.

Scratch that, the most confusing part was of how my squad mates from the ground strike ended up on the Normandy unharmed. That was just magical.

[Umbrellamage]

The endings provided would be fine if:

They didn't use copy pasta'd cutscenes with different color filters.

They followed some semblance of continuity with the canon.

The Normandy scene actually made sense.

They weren't reached through deus ex machina.

There was some form of epilogue revealing the consequences of how you interacted with the galaxy in the following years, exactly like in DA:O.

They didn't leave us with more quesitons than answers.

Modifié par Umbrellamage, 11 mars 2012 - 06:58 .

[KainrycKarr]

Umbrellamage wrote...

The endings provided would be fine if:

They didn't use copy pasta'd cutscenes with different color filters.

They followed some semblance of continuity with the canon.

The Normandy scene actually made sense.

They weren't reached through deus ex machina.

There was some form of epilogue revealing the consequences of how you interacted with the galaxy in the following years, exactly like in DA:O.

This, plus the flashback properly reflecting your LI.

[Brahlis]

Are you kidding me? "The harsh nature of reality"?

What's harsh about destroying a Reaper, having part of it crash on you, and walking out like a boss (the end of ME1?)? What's harsh about doing a literal suicide mission, destroying another reaper, and having everyone survive and then do a Hulk Hogan stare in space towards the reaper LIKE A BOSS? (ME2 ending)

This is a sci fi fantasy game. Everything about the endings of the last two games have been completely heroic, and now it's supposed to be "the harsh nature of reality" all of a sudden in ME3. Forget all that heroic stuff before.

Also, space magic.

[Leafs43]

 The logical inconsistency that some AI was controlling the reapers from the citadel is so sketchy and destroys what the reapers actually were in the first two games and almost all of the third.

[LethesDeep]

"Life isn't always a sweet rose or a box of chocolates." Yeah, you're right but Mass Effect isn't that dark. A central theme of the trilogy had been hope that there would be a brighter tomorrow. But in the end, no matter what ending you pick, the mass relays (the single pillar of galactic civilization) are destroyed. The Normandy - with your whole squad - ends up crashing on a random planet god-knows-where. The choices you made are meaningless. Examples: made peace between the quarians and the geth? The quarians are stuck in the Sol system (that's halfway across the galaxy from Rannoch) and the geth are eradicated. Didn't cure the genophage? The harsh conditions of Tuchanka guarantee the krogan are finished. A lot of colonies aren't self-sufficient (Feros) and rely on outside support. Which they wouldn't get because of the cost in fuel (eezo is rare) and time delay it would take to get those supplies there. This all flies in the face of past choices and themes. Sure you get some good, but there is a whole lot of bad as well and unless you play the game just right as a full-paragon the bad outweighs the good.

Foehamer1 wrote...

I'm confused as to why you loved a plot
hole filled ending. The most confusing part for me was as to why the
Galaxy wasn't wiped out. We already saw that an exploding Mass Relay
wipes out a solar system from previous DLC in Mass Effect 2.

Scratch
that, the most confusing part was of how my squad mates from the ground
strike ended up on the Normandy unharmed. That was just
magical.

I don't know how to explain the squaddies
teleporting, but my guess as to why the mass Relays didn't explode like
in Arrival is because the Crucible used up all the energy in the mass relays, thus making it impossible for them to explode at the magnitude.

Modifié par LethesDeep, 11 mars 2012 - 07:07 .

[jbajcar]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Umbrellamage wrote...

The endings provided would be fine if:

They didn't use copy pasta'd cutscenes with different color filters.

They followed some semblance of continuity with the canon.

The Normandy scene actually made sense.

They weren't reached through deus ex machina.

There was some form of epilogue revealing the consequences of how you interacted with the galaxy in the following years, exactly like in DA:O.

This, plus the flashback properly reflecting your LI.

Pretty much these. I really didn't like how all our choices in the end didn't make much of an impact. It's all the same ending regardless of any of the choices you make. It wouldn't of stung as much if Bioware didn't keep raving on the idea that choice matters. 

[deathscythe517]

Oh I love the people who say the ending is fine simply because its dark and ignore all the fallacies and errors and inconsistencies as well as the lack of any actual resolution, if this were leading into something else, maybe it could be forgiven, as it stands this is the last Mass Effect game with Shepard and it needed a proper damned resolution. Instead we get three copy pasted cutscenes with minor edits, little explanation, little sense, a plot device (The Catalyst) that Shepard does not even ATTEMPT to resist despite all you've witnessed and dealt with proving his theory false and if anything the Reapers are the problem, not synthetics.

Honest to god, I'm so sick of people who support the ending just because they can rationalize it a bit more and think it makes them edgy or more intellectual. You like the ending, we get that, but don't try to say it's good and that you're superior for liking it.

[Savvie]

Sywen wrote...

I think what many are asking for is a choice. You keep the ending you want, let me choose mine.

ME has always been about choices and none of them mattered in the end. That's what ruined the entire series for me.

This all the way. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Umbrellamage]

Brahlis wrote...

Are you kidding me? "The harsh nature of reality"?

What's harsh about destroying a Reaper, having part of it crash on you, and walking out like a boss (the end of ME1?)? What's harsh about doing a literal suicide mission, destroying another reaper, and having everyone survive and then do a Hulk Hogan stare in space towards the reaper LIKE A BOSS? (ME2 ending)

This is a sci fi fantasy game. Everything about the endings of the last two games have been completely heroic, and now it's supposed to be "the harsh nature of reality" all of a sudden in ME3. Forget all that heroic stuff before.

Also, space magic.

This as well.  The overall tone established in the first two games was that while the reapers were incredibly powerful, they could be conventionally defeated with sufficient force, and Shepard was a badass that didn't believe in no win scenarios.  The third turned them from overwhelmingly powerful machines into plot armored pets for a god child, and sheperd was plot neutered.  Many inferred that by the tone established in the first two games, uniting the entire galaxy against the reapers would result in a climactic final battle with the Normandy, the most advanced ship in the galaxy (another commonly appearing plot point), front and center, as in both the battle of the citadel and the raid on the collector base.

Instead what did we get?  Forced choices, meaningless allies, and space magic.

Modifié par Umbrellamage, 11 mars 2012 - 07:13 .

[LadyPhoenix2006]

VerdantSF wrote...

Sywen wrote...

I think what many are asking for is a choice. You keep the ending you want, let me choose mine.

ME has always been about choices and none of them mattered in the end. That's what ruined the entire series for me.

Exactly.  Why did I have to send the Reapers back into Darkspace when I controlled them?  It would've been great, if a high reputation Shepard could've turned to Star Child and said, "there's a fourth choice," and proceeded to control the Reapers and send them all flying into the Sun.

That would be epic. I want that ending, the one I got and the ridiculously unrealistic happily ever after ending.

[Sanguine]

I am starting to get a little offended at the fact that, if I don't like the ending, it must be because I cant handle how its not 'happy go lucky'