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[Mr. Gogeta34]

Did anybody make sense of that?  Why is it that same kid Shepard was dreaming about?

And what does that mean about the Kid from Earth?


I think Bioware dropped the ball pretty hard at the end...

[XCelfa]

My best guess is that it had something to do with the line of thinking in that Legion crafted his/her surroundings in the geth network infiltration quest to look familiar.

[Der Estr Bune]

The hallucination theories handle that pretty well, by representing him as a weighty piece of Shepard's psyche manifesting itself. Outside of those, you could take it as a continuation of Legion's level (where the system wants to present Shepard with images s/he'll understand and be able to make sense of), or (a new theory I'm working on), you could assume that the boy was the Catalyst the whole time.

[Chuvvy]

Dark n Edgy.

[gunsagogo]

I always thought it was just a person that had a massive impact on shepherd, and thats how shepherd/the catalyst chose to represent it/itself with

[Ebannaw1]

I think bioware's answer to this is something along the lines that whoever or whatever the catalyst is, recognizes that the kid is a troublesome part of Shepard's imagination and manifests itself as such. Sort of how like in the movie contact the alien manifests itself in the image of jody foster's dad. I don't know why it wouldn't manifest itself as something else though. After all Shepard did grow to dread seeing the kid and it was not a good memory for him. Didn't say it makes sense though!

Modifié par Ebannaw1, 11 mars 2012 - 06:49 .

[Leafs43]

Because Bioware crapped the bed.

The most pivotal plot point 3 whole games hinges on and they took a hot steaming pile of poop on the franchise.

The kid made no sense. What he said made no sense. my Sheperd would never agreed to any of the 3 options, because none of the options make sense, you never use the crucible.


It was just overall a herpity derpity that went to 11.


Even Metal Gear Solid games make more sense.

[taylortexas]

At first, I thought perhaps Shepard had passed on to some sort of afterlife and the child was going to have some sort of answer. But the truth was even crazier then my initial theory, as Shepard was still alive and was practically face-to-face with a god.

As for why that god was in the form of some random child from Earth, I'm not sure. It certainly was him, because there's no denying that the damn thing was wearing a hoodie. Perhaps the way an organic perceives that being is relative to their experiences and the visions that may exist within their mind. I don't know. I'm just pulling that out of nowhere because there's no actual explanation.

EDIT: lolol was 'd like five times.

Modifié par taylortexas, 11 mars 2012 - 06:48 .

[aimlessgun]

From indoctrination you can infer that the Reapers have some sort of mind-reading powers, I guess. So the catalyst plucked out that image...for some reason. (Because the writers thought that showing you the kid in a couple dreams, and then using the same model for the catalyst, counts as setup for their gigantic ass pull).

Maybe the kid is supposed to be a psychological play on the part of the catalyst to manipulate Shepard. The main problem with this is that every Shepard will react to the child differently. This exposes a less talked about issue with the game: the dream sequences where your reactions to the child are completely out of your control. My Shep doesn't give a rat's ass about that random kid she saw for 30 seconds. Haunt me with Mordin, haunt me with Tali, with Legion, with Ashley, but my god some random goddamn kid? 

Modifié par aimlessgun, 11 mars 2012 - 06:52 .

[Reign762]

Creating synthetics to destroy organics before they could be destroyed by synthetics had my head spinning.

[Unender]

Legion only was able to make things familiar because he was plugged into directly into Shepard's brain, the catalyst was not. Thus the conclusion that it's an extension of that makes zero sense.

[Dreogan]

They were trying to create an "emotionally engaging" symbol for the people on Earth. That's really all there is to it.

[Jjacobclark]

because when the kid got hit by the reaper in the beggining of the game he actually went back into time, became a space god and created the reapers

[VerdantSF]

Because it's an indoctrination attempt by the Catalyst, using Shepard's memories and guilt to sway him.

[Der Estr Bune]

Unender wrote...

Legion only was able to make things familiar because he was plugged into directly into Shepard's brain, the catalyst was not. Thus the conclusion that it's an extension of that makes zero sense.

As others have stated, the Reapers' entire system of indoctrination indicates that they've (and presumably the God-Child too) got some way to engage with your mind.

[MerchantGOL]

a higher being took a form that had some significance to him

this is sci fi 101 not a hard concept people

[Greed1914]

Der Estr Bune wrote...

The hallucination theories handle that pretty well, by representing him as a weighty piece of Shepard's psyche manifesting itself. Outside of those, you could take it as a continuation of Legion's level (where the system wants to present Shepard with images s/he'll understand and be able to make sense of), or (a new theory I'm working on), you could assume that the boy was the Catalyst the whole time.

I'd say either one works.  The second one you mentioned is probably what it is supposed to be.  The Catalyst takes some form that is relatable.  Of course, the fact that only Shepard ever sees the boy does play into how it's the first real sign of some sort of indoctrination. 

[Sanguine]

VerdantSF wrote...

Because it's an indoctrination attempt by the Catalyst, using Shepard's memories and guilt to sway him.

you make more sense than mass effect 3

[GuyWithFace]

This is quoted from the ME3 artbook:
"One child would be the face of the people on Earth whom Shepard could not save."

He's nothing more and nothing less than that. It can be assumed that the Guardian/Catalyst/whatever took that form to appease to Shepard's subconscious as something that held meaning to him, while not being too personal.

Edit: A link of the quote.

Leafs43 wrote...

Even Metal Gear Solid games make more sense.

And that's saying a lot. (I loved the MGS games, btw.)

Modifié par GuyWithFace, 11 mars 2012 - 07:03 .

[Mole267]

I was also wondering about that kid... On my second playthrough, I started thinking maybe that kid was some kind of apparition the reapers created, and maybe only Shepard could see him. The kid suddenly vanishes when Shepard sees him in the vent, tho the first thing you'd think is the kid just went back. Anderson doesn't hear the kid, and then no one even acknowledges the kid. Even when he's struggling to climb onto the shuttle.

I started thinking that, but then realized it might be a long shot.

Maybe Shepard's lost his mind some, after some of the things he/she has endured.

I noticed in the end, the whole thing's really always been about Shepard, his/her decisions, and his/her fate.

Modifié par Mole267, 11 mars 2012 - 07:15 .

[Shwiggliness]

video games seem to think that having dead kids is the instant "GOTY" award

[The Angry One]

I wondered for a while if it was going to be Harbinger, you know, messing with Shepard's head.
Of course it wasn't, because that would've been in danger of making sense.

[Steptroll]

The Catalyst is a reaper using the kid's form to manipulate Shepard, having deduced that Shepard has been disturbed by the child's death for some time.

That's the theory I believe. Alternatively it could just be a case of poor writing.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Why would Shepard's pain regarding that kid make any difference?

If it were a guilt attempt, why wasn't there any mention of that guilt? Not seein' it...

[deathscythe517]

They thought they were edgy for putting a child in the game but than decided to make it tie into the main story in a significant way...

And it sucked balls partially because of that.