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[SaltyWaffles-PD]

It's a relatively slow, gradual process that has specific symtops (headaches, voices inside of one's head, mental "noise", lessening of creativity and mental stability). The more severe it gets, the more "mindless" the victim gets, which is why indoctrinating people who are completely opposed to, know all about, and hateful of the Reapers are very hard to indoctrinate fully without just turning them into braindead meatbags.

They don't induce huge, complex hallucinations at the tip of a hat. Otherwise, it'd be a huge retcon (on top of making no sense; if the Reapers were in a position to do something like that, they were in a position to KILL Shepard).

EDIT: The bigger problem is the massive, complex hallucinations--indoctrination never does anything of the sort, especially while the subject still believes the same things and is actively trying to destroy (DESTROY) the Reapers.

Modifié par SaltyWaffles-PD, 11 mars 2012 - 09:24 .

[SaltyWaffles-PD]

Can anyone disprove this? I'm rather curious myself.

[Golferguy758]

They can fasttrack it I believe at the expense of more quickly burning out a nervous system. I'd also assume it's much easier to do to someone who has been worn down over several months and is also very injured

[Drewskii]

From the Mass Wiki: Reaper Indoctrination Codex

Reaper "indoctrination" is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods. The Reaper's resulting control over the limbic system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions.

Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.

Indoctrination can create perfect deep cover agents. A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe. Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations.

Long-term physical effects of the manipulation are unsustainable, Higher mental functioning decays, ultimately leaving the victim a gibbering animal. Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes this decay in days or weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years.

Modifié par Drewskii, 11 mars 2012 - 09:20 .

[Evrathiel]

I'm going to agree with you on this one. Yes they can fast-track it but I imagine they'd have significant problems with indoctrinating Shepard, what with him fighting them for so long he must have built some resistance to it from the fact that his whole purpose in life has become destroying them.

So many people tie the black tentacles in the Anderson + TIM scene to the Reapers that I don't know where they get it from. I thought it was the effect of TIM using the indoctrination techniques on Shep and Anderson. After all, we all saw that it's possible.

[revo76]

techically it's a long term process,however we confronted with sovereign, entered a derelict reaper, contacted with object rho, talked to harbinger, killed another reaper in quarian homeworld, even destroyed human reaper etc.

we have contacted many reapers, in the end it must count for something.

Also, he saw all symptoms in the end that you wrote (headaches, voices etc.)

In addition, Shepard just asked the meaning of 3 options, no judge nothing, it must be indoctrination.

[The Angry One]

Um, hello. We see Shep being controlled briefly by TIM at one point. Obviously fast-track indoctrination is being employed.

[PlasmidJunky]

The fact that he has strange, ghostly visions throughout the game also seem to be an indicator.

[Harbinger of Hope]

This is even sadder then just dieing then. Think about it, if they did fast-tack him, then no-one is gonna get a happy-ending no matter what. I hope you LI knows how to change adult diapers.

[Evrathiel]

The Angry One wrote...

Um, hello. We see Shep being controlled briefly by TIM at one point. Obviously fast-track indoctrination is being employed.

I'd say that was merely control over the body which is far from full indoctrination. When Shep shoots Anderson you can see he ain't liking it.

[killnoob]

Like someone said in another thread:

People are going through the stages of grief, and those people are at the "bargaining" stage. They're trying to interpret the crappy ending as something that'll work for them so they can keep their hopes up for future expansions.

I went back to "denial " after hitting " acceptance".

It really is a lot easier to deny the whole ending exist than to accept them

Modifié par killnoob, 11 mars 2012 - 09:34 .

[Trekna]

PlasmidJunky wrote...

The fact that he has strange, ghostly visions throughout the game also seem to be an indicator.

It would also fit PTSD from exposure to the Prothean Beacon, the loss of (many) soldiers under his/her command, the guilt of destroying an entire system, or even from watching his/her home being decimated by an overwhelming force and being forced to flee.

[Rafe34]

Or, there was a Reaper device on the Normandy the whole time. And Vega is the only one who hears it, since he's the only new member. He mentions something about a hum that he hears that no one else seems to be able to, which makes some people think he may be biotic, but perhaps the problem is not with him, but with everyone else.

Let's say the god-kid was lying, and that the Reapers knew their cycle was dying, and they needed a different solution, so they organized the whole thing to try to get Shephard to choose the blue or green option. They had to at least have an option to destroy the Reapers, because otherwise Shep might refuse to do anything, but they made it as unattractive as possible.

Guess what? Still better than the original ending.

[Deltateam Elcor]

The indoctrination started in ME1, at specific points it increased due to the apparent strange willpower Shepard has at moving against it, in ME2 the Arrival DLC really kicks it in to gear, Object Rho really gets into his mind, a massively overwhelming image.

In ME3 we see his character take hits from the child dying to the breakdown after Thessia, eventually he had to be swayed by it at some point, his near death experience was the best point.

Modifié par Deltateam Elcor, 11 mars 2012 - 10:17 .