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[Spiffy McBang]

That title isn't precisely true, of course.  There are two potential ones.  But it's possible to walk into the game with a Shepard from ME1 and 2 and have this be the situation she's in.  In fact, if you figure it's 50/50 any given Shepard would have sent Kaidan to die in ME1, then combine that with the six different options in ME2 and you're looking at this being the case for a significant minority of imported FemSheps, and the vast majority only having one or the other available.

To view the problem another way, there are more NPC men that are guaranteed possibilities for male Shepards to hook up with (Cortez) than female ones (nobody).  On top of that, even if Kaidan and Garrus are both available, there are still more female options than male ones for FemShep.

I don't blame the writers for creating more love interest options in total for male Shepards.  It wasn't like that in the first two, but I think I read somewhere that 80% of players make a guy character, so there is logic in it.  Plus, whether by design or not, it's led to a significant number of women in the ME universe doing critical work, which is a very good thing.  But those of us who have invested two games worth of time into our characters should reasonably be able to expect that they can continue as they have been, at least in a general sense, through the third.  I've never perceived my Shepard as being a lesbian- she ended up with Liara in ME1 mainly because I thought Kaidan was a tool- but if she had gone in some non-Garrus direction in ME2, she wouldn't have any other option (besides abject loneliness).  I'd go so far as to say that's not fair to the character Bioware has spent so many years developing on this story arc.

I don't know what good complaints like this might do.  I guess I'd just say, reply if you agree with this, and maybe it'll catch someone's eye.

Modifié par Spiffy McBang, 11 mars 2012 - 08:43 .

[yoshibb]

Yeah these are the new romance options:

Straight male: 3 (Liara, Ashley, Diana Allers)
Lesbian options: 3 (Samantha, Liara, Allers)
Gay options: 2 (Cortez, Kaidan)
Straight female: 1 (Kaidan)

Not to mention Thane dying and Jacob cheating on Shepard. Garrus and Kaidan are really our only options.

[creapsmantic]

you forgot about garrus..........   not an  only option   he is a must    do       option  :innocent:

Modifié par creapsmantic, 11 mars 2012 - 07:25 .

[Spiffy McBang]

I agree that Garrus is a phenomenal romantic character. He was in ME2, and everyone says he is here too (somehow it got fubared for me so it never clicked in after their initial meeting- SAD). But, y'know, some ladies aren't into spikes and mandibles, no matter how wonderful the guy is. So if you've got a dead Kaidan... whoops! Three trillion ****s in the galaxy and you can't have any of them. So sorry.

[creapsmantic]

the reason to romance garrus in mass effect 3 is cause you get to tease him from when you first meet to the finale part of the game during conversations any way an its very nice

( have not LI kaiden in mass effect 3 )

[Hadeedak]

Never mind this.

Modifié par Hadeedak, 11 mars 2012 - 07:45 .

[trickfred]

My wife was upset about this yesterday; after completing her first playthrough, she fired up Google and did the math, and ranted for an hour about DudeShep having nearly twice as many LI options (8 to 5), and that she really only had one or two options (Kaidan, and Garrus, but only if Garrus carried forward from ME2) because she had no interest in romancing a female LI.

Making James Vega an LI for a FemShep would have made the situation a bit better, and I was kind of shocked to find out he wasn't one. Seems like a wasted opportunity, especially since both Kaidan and Garrus can die, meaning there's no guaranteed LI for a straight FemShep.

http://social.biowar...96245/2#9731114

SereneContego wrote...

I actually really liked him too, I found his humor and flirting appealing for my Fem-Shep in a world where she is overwhelmed with the pressures of being a hero and saving the universe. So when I discovered he was not a romance option, I was very disappointed. But while looking at the romance options on the ME3 wiki I further discovered that we were being 'short-changed' in our options. Male Shep has 8 romance options, 2 of which are male. I have no problems with this; what I do have a problem with is the Fem-Shep has just 5 romance options of which only 2 are males! And to even further reduce that list, Garrus is really only an option if you romance him in ME2. So if you are a hetero Fem-Shep going into ME3 unshackled by a previous relationship from ME1 or ME2, your options for love are down to one only, Kaidan. I have no problems with the gay options in ME3, to each his/her own. I am a hetero female gamer, and am very disappointed with the limited options.

Wow, so that went off forum topic...what was I saying? Oh yea, woo Vega! Now let me have a taste!

WTB Vega Romance DLC

[Hadeedak]

It just amuses me that straight femShep is down to Garrus and Kaidan for the achievement. Thane has a romance, but no achievement/date SINCE HE DIES on his third scene. And Jacob. Well.

On the other hand, Liara, Kelly, Allers, and Sam are out there for a femshep who likes the ladies. The boys just have Cortez and Kaidan.

The boys who don't like boys have Liara and Ash from one, as well as Tali. And Jack and Miranda sure don't get punted the way Thane and Jacob did.

Edit: Hahah, massive forum edit fail

Modifié par Hadeedak, 11 mars 2012 - 07:44 .

[silentfall]

Considering that Kaidan can die in ME1 and Garrus can die in ME2, it's possible for FemShep to go into ME3 with no guys to romance at all.

Modifié par silentfall, 11 mars 2012 - 08:07 .

[Spiffy McBang]

@trickfred: I didn't bring up Vega because I didn't want my post to go longer, but I completely agree with your wife.

Actually, I didn't mind Vega not being an option; it's kind of neat to think that this super-badass marine is so tripped out when Shepard doesn't shoot down his attempts at flirtation that he can't bring himself to make a real move, and that Shepard just likes to screw with his head. If there were sufficient other guys for a straight FemShep to get with, it would work out great. But he is a very obvious possibility, and since he's literally the only one that she'll definitely have a chance with in ME3, they should have included him.

[Sarah1281]

In fact, if you figure it's 50/50 any given Shepard would have sent Kaidan to die in ME1, then combine that with the six different options in ME2 and you're looking at this being the case for the vast majority of imported FemSheps.

I think that there is a much lower chance than 50/50 for any Shepard romancing Kaidan to kill him off (though I guess it still happens) and if he's not being romanced or planned on being romanced then that's your choice to cut out a potential love interest right there.

There are probably a lot of people who killed Kaidan, dumped Kaidan and didn't get anyone new, didn't romance anyone, or romanced Thane or Jacob but I'm not sure that it's a "vast majority" or even a majority situation.

And since asari don't have gender I'm not sure that's really a lesbian option either.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 11 mars 2012 - 05:06 .

[Sarah1281]

Bioware assumes its all guys playing the females so there they would go for lesbian romances more. There really only needs to be one for male just for the few female gamers.

First of all, no they don't. They know they have a lot of female gamers. Maybe not as many as male gamers but enough that female Shepards aren't just going to be assumed to be men playing women. Secondly, you can't just have one option in case you really hate them. Even in ME1 there were two for each.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 11 mars 2012 - 08:16 .

[catelee2u]

I think James would have been a good option to romance....Liara is so busy all the time.

[Spiffy McBang]

Sarah1281 wrote...

In fact, if you figure it's 50/50 any given Shepard would have sent Kaidan to die in ME1, then combine that with the six different options in ME2 and you're looking at this being the case for the vast majority of imported FemSheps.

I think that there is a much lower chance than 50/50 for any Shepard romancing Kaidan to kill him off (though I guess it still happens) and if he's not being romanced or planned on being romanced then that's your choice to cut out a potential love interest right there.

There are probably a lot of people who killed Kaidan, dumped Kaidan and didn't get anyone new, didn't romance anyone, or romanced Thane or Jacob but I'm not sure that it's a "vast majority" or even a majority situation.

And since asari don't have species I'm not sure that's really a lesbian option either.

I think you mean asari don't have gender.  >_>  As for the semantics of inter-species relationships, I think Liara's father said it best when she referred to Shepard as an "anthropocentric bag of dicks".  But really, they do refer to themselves as women, so lesbian relationship seems like an appropriate term.

As for the "vast majority" bit, you're right.  I got my numbers backwards.  I was looking at the number that would have both available, not the number that would have either or both available.  The point that it could happen, and that it's screwed up that it could happen, still stands.  I edited the OP to reflect this.

Modifié par Spiffy McBang, 11 mars 2012 - 08:44 .

[wetnasty]

Spiffy McBang wrote...

Three trillion ****s in the galaxy and you can't have any of them. So sorry.

Well I mean if it means that much to you.


*Begins to unzip...*

[Serenity84]

Sarah1281 wrote...
And since asari don't have species I'm not sure that's really a lesbian option either.

Not from Liara's perspective. She doesn't think on those terms obviously. But for Shepard, yes definitely. A straight woman wouldn't be attracted to her. Period

[ElitePinecone]

Yeah this really surprised me, even after months of leaks I was convinced there'd be at least one new human option for femShep. It's certainly unlikely that Kaidan. Garrus, Thane and Jacob are all dead in an ME2 import, but not impossible. Add in the... unfortunate endings to Thane and Jacob's arcs, and femShep really looks like she came off badly.

Especially when they went to the effort of making her a part of the marketing.

[LordJeyl]

I'm more disappointed that Ashley cannot be romanced by Femshep when Kaiden can for Maleshep. I was sooooo looking forward to that.

And yes, these numbers do surprise me.

[wildannie]

I would rather BW had not ruined the romances of Jacob and Thane than introduce another character.

I'm quite livid about the whole thing. I think it works out with Fshep having four potential LIs at the end of ME3 while MShep has 8... wtf...really... wtf! Why did none of MSheps LIs have a canon death? Why did Tali not get herself knocked up by Kal Reeger and ditch Shepard??

[Xeranx]

I knew utilizing the metrics would be a problem as soon as I heard about it. When I read that this is also what was discussed at the GDC I couldn't help but facepalm.

Seriously, damn the metrics and pay attention to your user base. Everyone is removing themselves more and more from the personal to the impersonal and it's not making things better. It only tells you what they do, and not what they enjoy or what aspects of the game they enjoy.

[Dollymixtures]

I found this really annoying too!

I imported a save with Kaidan dead (wanted to do a playthrough where Ashley lives at least once) and literally no-one  romanced in either ME or ME2, thinking that I had options in ME3. Didn't one developer tweet that there were new guys for femshep to romance? Yet James isn't available (seriously, I would have LOVED that option), and as far as I know, Garrus isn't an option in the third game if you didn't romance him in the second.

So yeah, went through the whole game with no-one.

[SierraGHOSTN7]

Well, more sadly, there is noone for my femShep. She wanted Ash, but they are good friends in the end.

[LinaMeta]

Wait what? Vega can't be romanced? o_O And i thought he was just being shy because i was to far along in my Garrus romance. That means i can scrap my second playthough (Kaidan dead, Thane romanced) right now? Well glad i found i out so soon, now i just have to find a ME2 save with Kaidan alive ...

[Dollymixtures]

Yep, no James romance. Basically your options are Kaidan (provided he survived Virmire), and...that's about it as far as I know. I don't even think you can romance Garrus unless you're continuing an ME2 imported relationship with him.

The only other options are female, which doesn't leave much for a hetero-Shepherd.

I wish I could find that tweet where us ladies were promised more options. It's gotta be around here somewhere...