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[Femmefatality07]

Why can't I jump Vega?
Why is Joker so blind? (No offense, but I was waiting for that too. Imagine how awkward that whole Joker/EDI was for me.)
Adams? I mean, why not?
Hell, Bailey? He's pretty bro. Just an ex wife and some kids.

As far as aliens go...
Kal Reegar? He was pretty cool and I actually would like DLC to be in action with him before his death.
Grunt? I mean, he's voiced by Steve Blum for crying out loud. And the ONLY time I ever hear Steve declare some love for me is in Old Republic. I fangirled/gasmed so hard, it was like I discovered some wrong sort of Nirvana.

[Tup3x]

It would make sense that James would have been LI for femShep only. The current situation is indeed messed up. Three S/S romances and basically only one straight. You gotta be kidding me!

[Dollymixtures]

I agree that James should've been an LI. He was by far my favourite character in the game, and he seemed so right for femShep. But alas all you get with him is a few lousy flirts only to reach the inevitable point where he backs right off.

And what they did to Joker was just sad. They took a deep, intense character with great LI potential and turned him into a creepy charicature.

[Sarah1281]

Not from Liara's perspective. She doesn't think on those terms obviously. But for Shepard, yes definitely. A straight woman wouldn't be attracted to her. Period

Isn't the point that everyone is attracted to asari? It's a species trait.

And what they did to Joker was just sad. They took a deep, intense character with great LI potential and turned him into a creepy charicature.

I thought he and Edi were kind of sweet. They freaked me out at first but then grew on me. Since Joker is so very fragile, I doubt he'd be up for anything strenuous anyway.

[Serenity84]

Would people think the same if asari were all-male? I seriously doubt it. It would all be "gay. gay. gay"

[Dollymixtures]

It's not the fact that they placed him with EDI, it's the fact that his scenes are...off. I can't exactly explain it, but he goes from someone who shoots the odd one-liner, but still manages to emanate a sense of depth, to a one-dimensional, one-trick pony. He became a dispenser for awkward comedy moments and just seemed like some freakish clown to me.

If he had been an LI, Bioware could've further explored the depth of his character, as well as potentially creating many touching moments between him and femShep. As it was, I got to see him flapping his arms about on the dance-floor with EDI, minutes after complaining that a sneeze in the wrong direction could break his bones. Didn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I'm wondering if allowing him to become an LI had posed too many challenges that they'd rather not have faced, so they chose the easy route?

[Sarah1281]

As it was, I got to see him flapping his arms about on the dance-floor with EDI, minutes after complaining that a sneeze in the wrong direction could break his bones. Didn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Well, he is less fragile than he was in the first game after Cerberus gave him some medical treatement to make him more useful and to further win you over. He's probably also exaggerating about sneezing.

but he goes from someone who shoots the odd one-liner, but still manages to emanate a sense of depth, to a one-dimensional, one-trick pony.

I thought there was a lot of depth when Shepard called him out on always making jokes after Thessia fell and they get into an argument. He even reveals that he blames himself for Shepard's death and everything that came from it since it wouldn't have happened if he hadn't tried to go down with the ship.

[Maialeth]

Spiffy McBang wrote...

That title isn't precisely true, of course.  There are two potential ones.  But it's possible to walk into the game with a Shepard from ME1 and 2 and have this be the situation she's in.  In fact, if you figure it's 50/50 any given Shepard would have sent Kaidan to die in ME1, then combine that with the six different options in ME2 and you're looking at this being the case for a significant minority of imported FemSheps, and the vast majority only having one or the other available.

To view the problem another way, there are more NPC men that are guaranteed possibilities for male Shepards to hook up with (Cortez) than female ones (nobody).  On top of that, even if Kaidan and Garrus are both available, there are still more female options than male ones for FemShep.

I don't blame the writers for creating more love interest options in total for male Shepards.  It wasn't like that in the first two, but I think I read somewhere that 80% of players make a guy character, so there is logic in it.  Plus, whether by design or not, it's led to a significant number of women in the ME universe doing critical work, which is a very good thing.  But those of us who have invested two games worth of time into our characters should reasonably be able to expect that they can continue as they have been, at least in a general sense, through the third.  I've never perceived my Shepard as being a lesbian- she ended up with Liara in ME1 mainly because I thought Kaidan was a tool- but if she had gone in some non-Garrus direction in ME2, she wouldn't have any other option (besides abject loneliness).  I'd go so far as to say that's not fair to the character Bioware has spent so many years developing on this story arc.

I don't know what good complaints like this might do.  I guess I'd just say, reply if you agree with this, and maybe it'll catch someone's eye.

On the flip side of this.. there were no full romace female options for femshep in ME2.

[BatmanPWNS]

Bioware was too busy ****** about "girl action in ME3" to remember that some actual women are actually straight.

[Dollymixtures]

The bit where he blames himself for Shepherd's death came across as a bit odd to me. I think mainly because, up to that point, he had been used almost purely for comic relief, so for him to just suddenly turn on his 'serious-face' just didn't fit.

But this is all just subjective, and me nit-picking. I liked seeing Joker again, even if I felt he was written strangely this time around.

The meat of the issue is I would've liked the option to romance James and/or Joker. They were, for me, two of the best written characters in Mass Effect, and the romances would've been awesome, I'm sure. Instead I felt a bit left by the wayside while maleShep enjoyed a lot more possibilities. Seriously, one more romance option for femShep would've been a good idea.

[RedWulfi]

I accidently flirted with james at the beginning and i instantly loved him. the fact that he calls you "lola" made me die of squee.

[Sarah1281]

I accidently flirted with james at the beginning and i instantly loved him. the fact that he calls you "lola" made me die of squee.

I hated that. And I hated that when you tell him to cut the sexual harassment he gets all shirty about it. It's not gratifying for him to not stop talking about how well you fill out a uniform, especially after telling him to be professional.

I wish he were better written and maybe if he were a LI he would have been.

[Serenity84]

Joker having a sort of relationship with a disembodied AI is far more meaningful than making her a sexbot.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

James. If you'd taken the "Lola" comment during the sparring match during your first interaction on the shuttle deck as a come on, I'm sure that would have gone somewhere. Because if you brush him off, he responds with "your loss."

[2leggywillow]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

James. If you'd taken the "Lola" comment during the sparring match during your first interaction on the shuttle deck as a come on, I'm sure that would have gone somewhere. Because if you brush him off, he responds with "your loss."

Wish it had.  :/

If you flirt with him, eventually Shep asks "you gonna make good on all this flirting?" and he goes "UH UH UHHHHHHH" and chickens out.  Saaaaaadness.

[Lianaar]

I just wish they did one less lesbian option and invested that energy and time into one more hetero option. My husband had to listen to my rant about this too. I am particularly irked about male Shepard having more male choices then female Shepards. That's just so very odd for me.

[KMYash]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

James. If you'd taken the "Lola" comment during the sparring match during your first interaction on the shuttle deck as a come on, I'm sure that would have gone somewhere. Because if you brush him off, he responds with "your loss."

James feels like he was originally written to be an LI. It just for whatever reason didn't happen. 

[kyuusei]

This bothered me a lot too. My Shep originally romanced Thane, and she left Kaidan on Virmire. It would have been nice to either have James as an LI option (I liked him more than I thought I would), or be able to start a new relationship with Garrus. With how much James was marketed, I was so sure he'd be an option, but nope!

[Nathan Redgrave]

You know, I've never noticed that before. I wonder why that is...

[Actinguy1]

Male Shep's love interests:

Ashley: Could die in ME1, and you may have to kill her in ME3.
Jack: Can die in ME2 AND ME3. If she dies in ME3, you have to kill her husk.
Miranda: Can die in ME2 and ME3.
Morinth: Can die in ME2, and can kill YOU in ME2.

So really, the only romance we have with no chance of it blowing up in our faces is Liara, which the FemSheps get as well.

[Wynne]

Dollymixtures wrote...

I agree that James should've been an LI. He was by far my favourite character in the game, and he seemed so right for femShep. But alas all you get with him is a few lousy flirts only to reach the inevitable point where he backs right off.

And what they did to Joker was just sad. They took a deep, intense character with great LI potential and turned him into a creepy charicature.

Could not agree with you more. This entire post is precisely how I feel. 

Vega was awesome, but unattainable. Joker... yeah. Wonderful character turned into a weird, bad fanfiction version of himself.

All in all, I was so saddened, not only by the ending or even the loss of my LI but by the terrible state of LIs for FemShep overall. Bioware... you know it's mostly women going to romantic comedies, not men, right? So what's with the romances all over the place for male gamers and not female gamers? What was that? 

Modifié par Wynne, 12 mars 2012 - 04:09 .

[silentfall]

Actinguy1 wrote...

Male Shep's love interests:

Ashley: Could die in ME1, and you may have to kill her in ME3.
Jack: Can die in ME2 AND ME3. If she dies in ME3, you have to kill her husk.
Miranda: Can die in ME2 and ME3.
Morinth: Can die in ME2, and can kill YOU in ME2.

So really, the only romance we have with no chance of it blowing up in our faces is Liara, which the FemSheps get as well.

A Male Shepard going into ME3 with no romance can start a new romance with Liara, Diana Allers, Cortez, or the VS.  Liara and Diana are female, and the VS can be male or female depending on who you saved.

A Female Shepard going into ME3 with no romance can start a new romance with Liara, Diana, Samantha, or Kaidan if he's alive.  If Kaidan isn't alive, your only remaining options are all female.

[Actinguy1]

Sure...but if you care about romance, then how do you end up in ME3 without a romance from ME1 or ME2?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Yeah, it's a problem on a military vessel. Fraternization with officers and stuff. What rank was James? Non-comm? Problem. Joker at least was an officer, but heck he was too much of a nerd for my Shepard.

Damn, I look at my femShep, looking about as old as Chakwas, and I think she'd grab Anderson by the short hairs after this was all over. Mine looks about 50 (gray hair -- heck I figured being dead for 2 yrs and all the stress would do that).

Liara isn't really female, but rather more hermaphroditic. Kind of like the line out of Hudson on Aliens about it not mattering if it's Arcturian. Not that it would matter to THIS Shepard anyway. Traynor would feel like robbing the cradle. Liara seems only age appropriate.

I Virmired Kaiden. Hey my character is an infiltrator. I needed Ashley's firepower, and from a role playing aspect there was this trust issue with Wrex at that moment.

So I figured it would be Liara in ME1, and went with Thane in ME2 (who died in the SM -- I know, I shouldn't have made him tech but I didn't have the SG or looked at the walkthroughs and besides he was crawling through ducts, and what was he doing on his recruiting? crawling through ducts.)

Hell, the emotions through this game made me even want to comfort Balak. Everyone is hurting so much. I don't think there is much love as there is desperation.

[Sarah1281]

Sure...but if you care about romance, then how do you end up in ME3 without a romance from ME1 or ME2?

Well, you could always not like one of the first games' options or like them but leave them for Jacob and maybe Thane and then you're romanceless the third game.

Yeah, it's a problem on a military vessel. Fraternization with officers and stuff. What rank was James? Non-comm? Problem. Joker at least was an officer, but heck he was too much of a nerd for my Shepard.

Neither one was available anyway.