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[Spiffy McBang]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Yeah, it's a problem on a military vessel. Fraternization with officers and stuff. What rank was James? Non-comm? Problem. 

This is another reason why, in a vacuum, I have no issue with James not being a LI option.  But in the scheme of the game, that only makes sense if there's a sufficient number of other potential suitors.  Since there's no one else guaranteed to be available, they should have made use of him in that role.

Besides, he's buff as hell and could win someone over just on the basis of his banter with Cortez, and Shepard is the hero of the galaxy.  You think people are going to call her out on digging into his BDUs on the basis of regulations?

[noxsachi]

This isn't something I had thought about when perusing the list of LI's. I do second that I adore Vega, although I really liked the flirting simply because I knew it led nowhere. Granted if they kept the flirting but had an option to keep messing with him or well...you know...it would have been good. Given how they handled just talking Jacob in previous games though, I can't count on them to control themselves when the character goes from just a party member to LI.

Still kinda funny that you all are lamenting the same sex LI's...while we wanted more from those same LI's...Sam's romance being very light and fluffy with potential for more.

Still, overall I just want to say that the devs did not give any of FemShep's LIs the attention they deserve.

[lyssalu]

wetnasty wrote...

Spiffy McBang wrote...

Three trillion ****s in the galaxy and you can't have any of them. So sorry.

Well I mean if it means that much to you.


*Begins to unzip...*

dude no bro not even cool

[Makatak]

In an attempt to appeal to the angry gamer girls of the Bioware community, EA/Bioware will be releasing Blasto 7: the DLC, where female Shepards exclusively get the opportunity to romance the first hanar Spectre on her way towards the ending of their dreams!

...To confirm, this isn't actually happening.

Modifié par Makatak, 12 mars 2012 - 08:43 .

[tasca1180]

Yeah, I have a really lonely femShep on the Normandy right now. Kaidan's dead and as adorable as Samantha is, a male LI would really be preferred. Alas, there's none to be had.

And then there's James with all the flirting and I think my Shep's just going to die of spontaneous self-combustion in the end and take all the reapers with her in a magnificent explosion of unfulfilled desires. Or something like that.

Also, it's kinda boring to play celibate Shep with no LI.

[Vovea]

My friend asked me yesterday if female Shepard was gay in canon. She's new to the whole series and started up a new game in ME3, picking Ashley to survive (she didn't actually realise that Ashley was female until meeting her but that's probably because she doesn't read text too deeply).

She accidentally stumbled into the Traynor shower scene and flirting with Allers because she thought she was being nice.

[mccool78]

What, Vega is no LI?
So for my straight femshep there is only 1 human male (if alive) and 1 saurian-like alien with incompatible DNA available?  Epic fail.

So no one else wants my cool and adorable Shep? How can it be? This is a joke.

Maybe Admiral Hackett is interested in my Femshep, because he constantly wants to talk with her.  If you are into old men... *being desperate*

[tasca1180]

mccool78 wrote...

What, Vega is no LI?
So for my straight femshep there is only 1 human male (if alive) and 1 saurian-like alien with incompatible DNA available?  Epic fail.

So no one else wants my cool and adorable Shep? How can it be? This is a joke.

Maybe Admiral Hackett is interested in my Femshep, because he constantly wants to talk with her.  If you are into old men... *being desperate*

You can't even start the Garrus romance in ME3 if you didn't do it in ME2.

So if Kaidan's dead in your game, then your options are: Samantha, Allers and Liara. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Heh. Well considering the player behind the avatar is in her late 50s, hell yeah, Anderson looks good. Hell yeah, Hackett looks good. Not being desperate either. There should have been more options. Age discrimination!! <_<

FemShep got short changed, and she suddenly went from looking early 30s to early 20s. Heck, the engineer could have had some dialogue. And where was the ship's medical officer? We didn't even have an emergency medical hologram.

[Harorrd]

yeha this was odd,

[Spiffy McBang]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Heh. Well considering the player behind the avatar is in her late 50s, hell yeah, Anderson looks good. Hell yeah, Hackett looks good. Not being desperate either. There should have been more options. Age discrimination!! <_<

FemShep got short changed, and she suddenly went from looking early 30s to early 20s. Heck, the engineer could have had some dialogue. And where was the ship's medical officer? We didn't even have an emergency medical hologram.

I forget the option, but you can make FemShep look a little older, give her lines around her mouth and such.  Still a little younger looking though, I agree.

Dr. Chakwas is there.  If you lost her to the Collectors in ME2, though, I suppose you wouldn't have a doctor.

I think it's a sign of our desperation in getting straight FemShep hooked up that's leading anyone to suggest Adams.  O.o  The writers do a fantastic job of designing characters, so I guess they could have made it work, but the ship's engineer?  I can only see it if Shepard wants the perks.

"Can I get some more hot water to my shower please?  Thanks, babe.  Uh, no, I don't know where Specialist Traynor is."

[Dollymixtures]

Vovea wrote...

My friend asked me yesterday if female Shepard was gay in canon. She's new to the whole series and started up a new game in ME3, picking Ashley to survive (she didn't actually realise that Ashley was female until meeting her but that's probably because she doesn't read text too deeply).

She accidentally stumbled into the Traynor shower scene and flirting with Allers because she thought she was being nice.

And this is the problem! Anyone new to the franchise coming straight into ME3 and playing a femShep has a huge chance on missing out on romances (one of the best aspects of Bioware games, in my opinion) unless they like women. I'm still amazed none of the developers figured out this may be a bad idea.

And not only that, but all hetero romances for femShep carried over from ME2 are cut short and/or practically nonexistent, unless you picked the pointy-mandibled alien. The same can be said for manShep, but at least he has other options.

I'm inclined to think that James started as an LI, but for some reason this was altered and they stuck him with an awkward, out-of-character scene where he acts like a terrified boy-scout when you finally call him out on his incessant flirting.

[78stonewobble]

Well that sucks O.o

[Xeranx]

Actinguy1 wrote...

Sure...but if you care about romance, then how do you end up in ME3 without a romance from ME1 or ME2?

Maybe the romances you wanted for your particular Shepards wasn't there?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The problem was the personality they gave Kaiden Alenko in ME1. It was weak. Williams' personality was much stronger. This is a story. And the personality is going to have to go with a strong female. I guess the strong female scares off all the men except the sensitive types. I should know this by this point of my life. The ones like James are all talk and no action, and of course his being a marine he's one of the biggest bulls**ters in the universe. Just ask a retired marine -- I've got one on either side of me, and they both admit it, sempre fi and all that. I've run into enough of them. Yet he ends up as someone's bear?

Then in ME2 you end up romancing Kelly just so your fish don't keep dying. So I've come to the conclusion that canon femShep is of the L contingent, not that there's anything wrong with that.

And one last thing.... with about 3/4 of the crew on the Normandy being gay: no decent music in the lounge? No pool table for the girls (with a mini-game)? What gives? It seems all Shepard can do is get drunk at Purgatory, pass out, and wake up next to Aria.

Anyway, I've got more important things to do right now. Like try to figure out how to get past that fraking reaper on Rannoch with a targeting laser with a slower response time than the Hammer of Dawn. Reload #8

[Sarah1281]

The problem was the personality they gave Kaiden Alenko in ME1. It was weak. Williams' personality was much stronger.

I don't think that Kaidan was weak in ME1. It's true that he's not as in-your-face as Ashley but it's not like that's the only way to be strong. I was actually impressed that he managed to take a traumatizing experience with turians and see past it and be one of the few people in the galaxy who insist on viewing each individual person on their merits instead of stereotyping them based on the people they know (which I know my Shepard was guilty of in the sense that after she made a friend from a species she was inclined to look much more kindly on the species as a whole).

In contrast, Ashley's determination to resent aliens because humans aren't willing to stop blaming her family for the fact her grandfather surrendered to the turians seems much weaker and pettier no matter how blunt she is.

[Sarah1281]

It's even worse when you consider the company's history.

Jade Empire had two females and one male for a male and one female and one male for a female which, while not exactly, is close enough.

KotOR had a female and a male for a female and a female for a male.

Dragon Age had two female and a male for males and two males and a female for females.

Dragon Age 2 had four bisexual love interests and one male quasi-romance for females.

ME1 had a Kaidan and Liara for females and Ashley and Liara for males.

ME2 had Thane, Garrus, Kelly, and Jacob for females, Miranda, Jack, Tali, and Kelly for males, and Morinth for idiots.

Then comes ME3 and inexplicably things stop being about equal.

[Spiffy McBang]

I didn't think Kaidan was weak so much as uninteresting (although my memory of him is hazy after all this time). But he's not that strong, either; being forceful and being open-minded are not mutually exclusive. You can't have every character be all "ME MIGHTY RAWWWWR", but at the same time I expect professional military to have some kind of an edge. I think Vega's an excellent example of this, given that he never stops being a good guy but there's no question of his willingness to beat a few asses.

There was Samara in ME2 as well, if you picked her over Morinth.

What I really don't understand, in reference to how Bioware's writers could have overlooked all of this, is the attention to detail they displayed in the random comments (especially Wrex's) and the side conversations you can listen to. The ex-asari commando talking to her therapist in the hospital was amazing! Once I started paying attention, I ended up running in and out of the elevator just so I could listen to the whole thing. It seems unfathomable that they sat there and said, yeah, we're good with this. Even if James was intended to be an LI and that fell through for reasons out of the writers' control, the question remains of, how do you envision such gorgeous, world-building details and then flunk some of the major character-building aspects of the game?

[Soma Holiday]

Lianaar wrote...

I just wish they did one less lesbian option and invested that energy and time into one more hetero option. My husband had to listen to my rant about this too. I am particularly irked about male Shepard having more male choices then female Shepards. That's just so very odd for me.

THIS! Thank you all for this thread!  I am only about 15 hours into the game and I just found out that I won't be able to romance Thane and I am BEYOND pissed off.  I would have been fine with it if it wasn't for the fact that ALL of maleshep romances from 2 crossed over, and only ONE for femshep.   How dare they?!  Seriously, how could they be okay with screwing over so many devoted fans, and for what?  New lame same-sex relationship choices?  I cant believe how little effort was put into the game to make female players happy.  Its like they really don't care, or assume only men play the game therefore want to see lesbian choices.  It is disgusting and I am appalled at this decision.  Only 2 out of the 10 options are practical for straight femsheps.  I had defended bioware from a lot of sexist accusations over the years, but this, toppled with edi's design, toppled with the lack of a larger female model in TOR, makes me see this company for what it really is, just another masogynistic developer that knows absolutely nothing about women nor aspires to know anything about them, and who continue to support sexist ideals.  I am beyond disgusted right now and don't even feel like playing this game anymore.

I have been thoroughly disappointed with the game so far anyway, but after hearing this I almost don't want to finish it.  I can't even fathom why they would do this, let alone think it was a good idea. 

geez i am so fricken angry right now I need to stop...

Modifié par Soma Holiday, 12 mars 2012 - 08:46 .

[OMTING52601]

Thane and Jacob LI's really did get the shaft, IMO. The only thing friend FemShep misses with Thane is a kiss and him calling her siha twice. That's it. I found my interaction with Thane - what little there was - to be meaningful to me, but for that FemShep I have who romanced him... doesn't quite cut it.

And Jacob. Oh, the poor, poor Jacob fans. That's just sad, though Jack-mancers don't get much better, hell she gives him the same line Jacob does about loving the Normandy first and foremost. But, at least MaleShep gets a few kisses out of the deal with Jack. I have one of these MaleShep's too, lol.

I thought Garrus was so very sweet in ME 2, heck I took him everywhere with me in ME 1 - his and Wrex's loyalty achievements are the only two I have, lol - and I'd like to play out that romance in number three, but I can't just yet. Maybe sometime, down the road, but not right now.

I did play through a FemShep that stayed true to Kaidan and while his cutscenes, some of them, were nice, I was a bit disappointed by the romance itself, to say the least. I thought I'd see more cutscenes or have more interaction, but there was only like five and one of them was the culmination scene.

edit: OMG, horrible, horrible typo

Modifié par OMTING52601, 12 mars 2012 - 09:27 .

[Miktia]

/signed.

I can't believe they missed this. I want to make it clear I don't want to rob anyone of their 'mances (such as the s/s that have finally appeared) but they could really do with adding another romance or two for straight FemShep.

[Sawtooth357]

I wish Zaeed was a romance option. If I were a woman I'd have that man's baby.

[22percent]

This gets to me too.  For me, it wasn’t the endings of the game that soured ME3 for me, it was when Thane died and there was no one left for my Shepard.

Basically, I had a Shepard that romanced Thane and a Shepard that romanced Jacob. In both of those files, Kaidan was killed on Virmire. Since I’m not interested in women, this left two of my Shepards forever alone.

I never realized how much I enjoyed the romance part of Bioware games until this happened. Now that my FemSheps have no options (and romanced Thane being handled very poorly, but that’s for the other forum topics about that), my view of the game went down and I couldn’t enjoy the awesome parts of the game afterward. If James was a LI (all that flirting!) or if you could start a romance with Garrus in ME3, I wouldn’t have been this angry. I would still be upset about Thane, but the game wouldn’t have been ruined totally for me at that point. Hell, Kenneth Donnelly was intended to be an option for FemShep in ME2, why couldn’t they make him an option in ME3?

What also makes it worse is that a straight male Shep would still have female options if Ashley was killed and a gay Shep would still have one male option if Kaidan was killed.  

So yeah. I just don’t know how BW could have overlooked this, especially with all the attention they’ve been giving FemShep in advertising.

Shepard: The bed’s a lot harder than it looks.
James: Are you flirting with me, Lola?
Me: YES!
Shepard: >=(
James: Okay, okay, I’m going.
Me: Wha-?

Modifié par 22percent, 12 mars 2012 - 10:38 .

[susanwb]

Did anyone at Bioware ever stop to think, "What happens if a new player to the series chooses to play FemShep and picks Ashley as VS?" Is this case, FemShep has ZERO male LI options. Does choosing to save Ashley on Virmire automatically mean Shep is a lesbian? Seriously? And in that case, she can't even have a relationship with the woman she saved? My FemSheps are almost all loyal Kaidanmancers so they're OK (the one who romanced Jacob will now never make her appearance in ME3 though, which is a total shame because she was a real favorite of mine) but I feel really bad for any new players who pick up this game and start playing with a new FemShep. She's either a lesbian or she can start a relationship with Kaidan *if* he's alive and that's it. Not much real choice there. mShep gets a lot more options.

It would have made a whole lot more sense to make Ashley a s/s option for FemShep, and then make Traynor male and straight. But noooo... Bioware seems to think that all women in the military are lesbians. Just so weird.