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[BatmanPWNS]

Sometime I wonder if Bioware stops and think. I mean how can you miss that some FemShep may have no male LI in ME3? This is so obvious, only an amateur can mess this up.

[Dollymixtures]

I think what happened is Bioware initially planned extra romance options for femShep, but due perhaps to time constraints, decided to limit those LIs to friend/squadmate only interractions.

As I've said previously, I know someone asked a dev via Twitter whether or not straight romance options were available to femShep should she find herself single in ME3 and without Kaidan, and a dev answered positively. I'm wondering whether James' flirting and Joker's "no, ma'am!" was considered sufficient enough for LI status. If so, it's rather sad...

I spent the last part of the game seriously wishing I had taken Traynor up on her shower offer. At least then my poor shep would've had some action after three year's wait!

[Femmefatality07]

 

Sarah1281 wrote...

ME2 had Thane, Garrus, Kelly, and Jacob for females, Miranda, Jack, Tali, and Kelly for males, and Morinth for idiots. 

Then comes ME3 and inexplicably things stop being about equal.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

[UrdnotGrunty2]

Watch Bioware make a $10 DLC that makes Cortez, James, and Joker romancable by femshep, and Tali and Garrus romancable without ME2.  Aswell as a romancable EDI by Male sheps

Modifié par UrdnotGrunty2, 12 mars 2012 - 11:32 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Sarah1281 wrote...

The problem was the personality they gave Kaiden Alenko in ME1. It was weak. Williams' personality was much stronger.

I don't think that Kaidan was weak in ME1. It's true that he's not as in-your-face as Ashley but it's not like that's the only way to be strong. I was actually impressed that he managed to take a traumatizing experience with turians and see past it and be one of the few people in the galaxy who insist on viewing each individual person on their merits instead of stereotyping them based on the people they know (which I know my Shepard was guilty of in the sense that after she made a friend from a species she was inclined to look much more kindly on the species as a whole).

In contrast, Ashley's determination to resent aliens because humans aren't willing to stop blaming her family for the fact her grandfather surrendered to the turians seems much weaker and pettier no matter how blunt she is.

I think this might be a generational thing as well. I know there are other ways of being strong, and I posted my age a little earlier and it put me more in Hackett's age group. That and I'm also thinking about my Shepard's personality since they did give that option as well: colonist/ruthless, although she's evolved throughout the series.

You do point out Ashley's character fault, which my Shepard pointed out to her continually as well.

I think the bottom line was that Kaiden was just a little too young looking for me.

[Sylph_14]

I think what really, REALLY bugs me about how it ends with Thane is that he basically gets written off immediately. Shepard seems to be over it as soon as she walks out of the hospital room, and not one single person on the Normandy seems to care or even remember he exists. It was all "I can't believe what just happened on the Citadel!" and "O hey Kaidan's back yay! :D"

Aaaaand immediately after there are two women trying to get in Shepard's uniform. The conversation with James in Sheps room was right after but that usual go-nowhere-flirting.

Sorry, had to rant a bit

[Spiffy McBang]

UrdnotGrunty2 wrote...

Watch Bioware make a $10 DLC that makes Cortez, James, and Joker romancable by femshep, and Tali and Garrus romancable without ME2.  Aswell as a romancable EDI by Male sheps

That DLC would deserve to get pirated.

[Xeranx]

Sarah1281 wrote...

It's even worse when you consider the company's history.

Jade Empire had two females and one male for a male and one female and one male for a female which, while not exactly, is close enough.

KotOR had a female and a male for a female and a female for a male.

Dragon Age had two female and a male for males and two males and a female for females.

Dragon Age 2 had four bisexual love interests and one male quasi-romance for females.

ME1 had a Kaidan and Liara for females and Ashley and Liara for males.

ME2 had Thane, Garrus, Kelly, and Jacob for females, Miranda, Jack, Tali, and Kelly for males, and Morinth for idiots.

Then comes ME3 and inexplicably things stop being about equal.

Honestly, leave the judgements out of it unless you want to be branded the tool you are.  Okay?

[HolyAvenger]

Silly decision by BW. Vega should've been a straight Fem LI.

[Spiffy McBang]

Xeranx wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

It's even worse when you consider the company's history.

Jade Empire had two females and one male for a male and one female and one male for a female which, while not exactly, is close enough.

KotOR had a female and a male for a female and a female for a male.

Dragon Age had two female and a male for males and two males and a female for females.

Dragon Age 2 had four bisexual love interests and one male quasi-romance for females.

ME1 had a Kaidan and Liara for females and Ashley and Liara for males.

ME2 had Thane, Garrus, Kelly, and Jacob for females, Miranda, Jack, Tali, and Kelly for males, and Morinth for idiots.

Then comes ME3 and inexplicably things stop being about equal.

Honestly, leave the judgements out of it unless you want to be branded the tool you are.  Okay?

And the only judgment in this post is you calling her a tool.

Troll is bad at trolling.  Do not feed.

[stwu]

I really liked Vega and then he flirts with femshep all through the game just for bioware to mess with us.
Not cool!!!!! 

I demand that they add him as an option if and when they fix this game.

[Mara281]

Xeranx wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

It's even worse when you consider the company's history.

Jade Empire had two females and one male for a male and one female and one male for a female which, while not exactly, is close enough.

KotOR had a female and a male for a female and a female for a male.

Dragon Age had two female and a male for males and two males and a female for females.

Dragon Age 2 had four bisexual love interests and one male quasi-romance for females.

ME1 had a Kaidan and Liara for females and Ashley and Liara for males.

ME2 had Thane, Garrus, Kelly, and Jacob for females, Miranda, Jack, Tali, and Kelly for males, and Morinth for idiots.

Then comes ME3 and inexplicably things stop being about equal.

Honestly, leave the judgements out of it unless you want to be branded the tool you are.  Okay?

 
How is she a tool? It's a completely valid argument. BW DOES have a history of giving female characters the same amount of romancable options in their games. And then all of sudden in ME3 FemShep has a lot less than male shep? So not right.

[Xeranx]

Spiffy McBang wrote...

And the only judgment in this post is you calling her a tool.

Troll is bad at trolling.  Do not feed.

And of course, seeing as how your perception was way off, I would lay off calling someone a troll.  Crap, I'm feeding the troll aren't I?

Mara281 wrote...
 
How is she a tool? It's a completely valid argument. BW DOES have a history of giving female characters the same amount of romancable options in their games. And then all of sudden in ME3 FemShep has a lot less than male shep? So not right.

 

I was pointing out something specific.

In any case, we're discussing this in pm.

Modifié par Xeranx, 13 mars 2012 - 07:51 .

[silentfall]

Sarah1281 wrote...

It's even worse when you consider the company's history.

Jade Empire had two females and one male for a male and one female and one male for a female which, while not exactly, is close enough.

KotOR had a female and a male for a female and a female for a male.

Dragon Age had two female and a male for males and two males and a female for females.

Dragon Age 2 had four bisexual love interests and one male quasi-romance for females.

ME1 had a Kaidan and Liara for females and Ashley and Liara for males.

ME2 had Thane, Garrus, Kelly, and Jacob for females, Miranda, Jack, Tali, and Kelly for males, and Morinth for idiots.

Then comes ME3 and inexplicably things stop being about equal.

Well, not exactly.  Baldur's Gate II had 3 for males and 1 for females, and nobody liked Anomen.  I guess that's too far back to count, though?  Hordes of the Underdark also had 2 for males and 1 for females, but almost everyone liked Valen so I don't recall any complaints on that one.

[Spiffy McBang]

silentfall wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

It's even worse when you consider the company's history.

Jade Empire had two females and one male for a male and one female and one male for a female which, while not exactly, is close enough.

KotOR had a female and a male for a female and a female for a male.

Dragon Age had two female and a male for males and two males and a female for females.

Dragon Age 2 had four bisexual love interests and one male quasi-romance for females.

ME1 had a Kaidan and Liara for females and Ashley and Liara for males.

ME2 had Thane, Garrus, Kelly, and Jacob for females, Miranda, Jack, Tali, and Kelly for males, and Morinth for idiots.

Then comes ME3 and inexplicably things stop being about equal.

Well, not exactly.  Baldur's Gate II had 3 for males and 1 for females, and nobody liked Anomen.  I guess that's too far back to count, though?  Hordes of the Underdark also had 2 for males and 1 for females, but almost everyone liked Valen so I don't recall any complaints on that one.

It kind of is too far back to count.  Not so much in nominal years, but rather in the sense that Bioware evolved their design to give male and female characters equality in the romance department, and backslid in this game for the first time.

And yeah, Anomen was awful.  :x

[ravene]

@ silentfall

its not to far back to count there are some of us who rember bulders gate 2 i played it rember my brother caling me on the phone and laughing over having 3 females fighting over him while i clicked on anomen and get "what is it now" dilog.... yes me3 has beter dilog but when ME3 reminds you of a game that is years old and not in a good way that its really bioware droping the ball big time.

[Lianaar]

I totally loved Anomen, he stopped the scene in the middle of a boss fight to say "I know this is probably not the best time to talk..."
I loved him from that moment on (probably a bug, still)

[Sarah1281]

Well, not exactly. Baldur's Gate II had 3 for males and 1 for females, and nobody liked Anomen. I guess that's too far back to count, though? Hordes of the Underdark also had 2 for males and 1 for females, but almost everyone liked Valen so I don't recall any complaints on that one.

I was never able to play that game since it didn't come out on X-Box and I hate PC controls. Walking is so much easier with a joystick.

I think this might be a generational thing as well. I know there are other ways of being strong, and I posted my age a little earlier and it put me more in Hackett's age group.

That might be it. I don't remember how old Shepard is supposed to be but I know I'm younger than she is.

[Mara281]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Well, not exactly. Baldur's Gate II had 3 for males and 1 for females, and nobody liked Anomen. I guess that's too far back to count, though? Hordes of the Underdark also had 2 for males and 1 for females, but almost everyone liked Valen so I don't recall any complaints on that one.

I was never able to play that game since it didn't come out on X-Box and I hate PC controls. Walking is so much easier with a joystick. 

I'm with you there. PC controls confuse me and I didn't start playing BW games until DA came out anyway. That's what got me hooked on them... until this whole debacle with ME3  *sigh*

[EmGo]

I love Garrus and BioWare gave me fantastic romance with him in ME3, so... but I can't disagree with lack of male options.

Anyway I would love to see Javik as a LI (I am a sucker for aliens with deep, purring voices... what can I say...). Maybe BioWare would realise a DLC with new romance options? I would love to see Javik there (It is quite possible since they were thinking about this in ME2). I don't understand the whole character of James. He is great, he loves to flirt with FemShep... so... why isn't he a LI?
I guess Javik would be more problematic as being a character from DLC and all that brooding, seriousness, extiction. But he also deserve some fun



I always think that if there are many people and all of them are stubborn anything is possible. So if there would be a petition for that kind of DLC I would sign it.
I know that they should do it in an original game and not in DLC, but right now we can't change it. So the only way is a DLC. *sigh*
But right now I pray for a DLC with different endings...

Modifié par EmGo, 13 mars 2012 - 08:54 .

[MartialArtsMaster]

To be fair, I think the reason they shafted the Jacob romance was because so many female players complained his romance was boring.

So they gave the female fans what they thought they wanted, I think.

[Perlicka]

OMTING52601 wrote...

Thane and Jacob LI's really did get the shaft, IMO. The only thing friend FemShep misses with Thane is a kiss and him calling her siha twice. That's it. I found my interaction with Thane - what little there was - to be meaningful to me, but for that FemShep I have who romanced him... doesn't quite cut it.

And Jacob. Oh, the poor, poor Jacob fans. That's just sad, though Jack-mancers don't get much better, hell she gives him the same line Jacob does about loving the Normandy first and foremost. But, at least MaleShep gets a few kisses out of the deal with Jack. I have one of these MaleShep's too, lol.

I thought Garrus was so very sweet in ME 2, heck I took him everywhere with me in ME 1 - his and Wrex's loyalty achievements are the only two I have, lol - and I'd like to play out that romance in number three, but I can't just yet. Maybe sometime, down the road, but not right now.

I did play through a FemShep that stayed true to Kaidan and while his cutscenes, some of them, were nice, I was a bit disappointed by the romance itself, to say the least. I thought I'd see more cutscenes or have more interaction, but there was only like five and one of them was the culmination scene.

edit: OMG, horrible, horrible typo

just finished and its too late to write something meaningfull so i completly agree with you both

[Perlicka]

hmm wrong quote should be to Linaar and Soma holyday , its really too late

[Perlicka]

Soma Holiday wrote...

Lianaar wrote...
I just wish they did one less lesbian option and invested that energy and time into one more hetero option. My husband had to listen to my rant about this too.

How dare they?! Seriously, how could they be okay with screwing over so many devoted fans, and for what?
geez i am so fricken angry right now I need to stop...

[Sarah1281]

To be fair, I think the reason they shafted the Jacob romance was because so many female players complained his romance was boring.

So they gave the female fans what they thought they wanted, I think.

This pleases no one. Fans don't like the romance then they don't play it. Who is honestly happy that they did that to Jacob fans? I could see them catering maybe if they turned Jacob into a terrible person full stop but as it is he's got a great life and is doing great if you don't romance him and he's only awful if he was romanced. Or they could have killed him off or something if they were trying to cater to anti-Jacob fans. They way they did it makes no sense.