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[RaidersFan223]

First off, let me preface this by saying that I thought the endings were horrible compared to the rest of the game, which was on pace to by my favorite of all time.

After a day of reflecting on the ending, I suddently understood what Bioware was doing in the ending.  They were drawing Christian parallels and having Shepard the embodiment of a Jesus figure.

Think about it -- crucible?  Awfully close to crucifix.  Also, what did Shepard do at the Crucible?  Gave up his live to save all of the others. 

Where the Normandy ends up... it appears to be a garden like paradise.  A possible allusion to heaven or Adam/Eve?

And finally... the talk with the stargazer and kid.  They both refer to Shepard as "the Shepard" as if he is some religious hero.

tl;dr  The ending has major Christian parallels.

[Billabong2011]

I agree with you.

But Christian parallels aren't excuse enough to validate endings that make no sense in the narrative's context. In fact, that just enrages me more. Conclusions that are justified by religious metaphor at the expense of the lore's plausibility in the preestablished universe?

Insulting. Just insulting.

Modifié par Billabong2011, 11 mars 2012 - 09:59 .

[Dreogan]

This just in: MASS EFFECT IS NOW XENOGEARS!

[Spatchmo]

It's still a terrible plot device. There are way too many stories where the main character turns out to be an allegory for Jesus. Neo's body being carried in a crucifixion pose by the machines, anyone?

Not to mention the catalyst being a literal deus ex machina.

Oh, since I used the phrase "deus ex machina" I thought I would add, if you are one of the few people that actually LIKES the endings, play Deus Ex... And Deus Ex Human Revolution. Because the ending choices to those games are identical, yet somehow better presented. So if you liked this ending the first time, you will LOVE it the second and third time!

Modifié par Spatchmo, 11 mars 2012 - 10:12 .

[dakka dakka]

oh hey. Mass Effect just went the way of DS:9

STAR TREK DID IT!!

[AlphaDormante]

I believe Shepard's name is an obvious allusion to the Bible - Jesus is portrayed very often as a shepherd who leads His people; besides that and the "sacrifice", there are some other arguable parallels that could be drawn. The Council in ME and the religious priests in the Bible (figures of authority who led the populace yet were a great hindrance to the mission), Eden Prime and the Garden of Eden (beautiful worlds that marked a new beginning but were destroyed by evil), TIM and the Devil (powerful, manipulative beings who constantly try to lead Jesus/Shepard down the wrong path). Maaaany comparisons can be made.

Think we can hope Shepard comes back to life after three days?

Modifié par AlphaDormante, 11 mars 2012 - 10:45 .

[Ebannaw1]

Modifié par Ebannaw1, 11 mars 2012 - 10:37 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Adam and Eve... LI and Joker.... and the Prothean.

[Harbinger of Hope]

Oh please god no. I really don't want any religion in my Mass Effect.

[lasertank]

They simply used an old-fashion ending. It seems dark and deep but it's not. It lack of logic, reasoning, and conclusion. In fact, it's very cheap and they hope that we would buy it.

[Eurhetemec]

Dreogan wrote...

This just in: MASS EFFECT IS NOW XENOGEARS!

Seriously.

When I finished ME3 the first time, I really was thinking "WoW, this is very JRPG-ish, what with the space-magic and making no sense at all an strong-but-confused Christian parallels.

Not exactly what I was looking for nor remotely expectin in an ME game, to put it mildly. Especially with Shepard's blank acceptance of the Space God's ultimatum.

[NoUserNameHere]

Synthesis = Jesus. Saving sentients, with a marked change to their very soul/body.
Destroy = Buddha. Break the cycle!
Control = Uh, well... Gnostic Jesus?

[Sardrak]

Science Fiction uses these tactics now a days all of the time in order to garner public appeal. I just want to play one sci-fi game that surpasses my expectation of a story. In freakin non-nerd language short, I just want a space opera with good story telling and none of that lessons to be learned from this movie, novel, game or whatever bull****.

[Umbrellamage]

dictionary.reference.com/browse/crucible


Nothing religious about the crucible.  It is in fact aptly named except that the test it provides is flawed.

Sacrifice isn't unique to the bible.  All in all compared to The Matrix, this is either very subtle or just coincidence for thematics.  Like how Evangelion uses extensive Christian elements and themes just because the writers thought "it looked cool".

Modifié par Umbrellamage, 11 mars 2012 - 10:52 .

[Siegdarth]

I think the ending was kinda funny since it's just like the Baldur's Gate 2 Throne of baal. Buth i liked the ending with the merge of organics and synths. The other 2 are kinda lame.

[Rafe34]

This is a bit over the top. There are tons of stories that if you read this generically enough, would come out this way. I hold to the hallucination theory myself, which explains the Crucible based on its definition- as a test. A test to see whether or not Shep falls for indoctrination.

[deathscythe517]

As I've said many times before when allegations of Christian allegory come up when it's not explicitly stated as such, it's grasping at straws, and that's bad and you should not have to do that. This is why I feel like people defending the ending are so stand-offish: they've rationalized it to the point that it has become something deep and personal to them and to insult the ending is to apparently insult them personally, so they must tote their superiority. I'm glad you're not doing that, but still, you're reaching pretty badly...

[Richard0600]

Really guys.. Must we bring religion into this..

[WarBaby2]

Dreogan wrote...

This just in: MASS EFFECT IS NOW XENOGEARS!

Or Xenosaga, for that matter.

There, the ending made perfect sense, because the whole series was heavy on the methaphysical... Mass Effect wasn't.