Edge32 wrote...
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No one is saying that dex won't make you more accurate as you raise it, putting 3 points into dex will give you the exact same increase to accuracy as putting 3 points in strength.
Modifié par menasure, 27 novembre 2009 - 01:27 .
menasure wrote...
Edge32 wrote...
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No one is saying that dex won't make you more accurate as you raise it, putting 3 points into dex will give you the exact same increase to accuracy as putting 3 points in strength.
that is what was said but i consider that a broken game mechanic principle. dexterity and strength should have a different nature if you want a more realistic game. guess i overestimated the complexity of this game
menasure wrote...
Edge32 wrote...
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No one is saying that dex won't make you more accurate as you raise it, putting 3 points into dex will give you the exact same increase to accuracy as putting 3 points in strength.
that is what was said but i consider that a broken game mechanic principle. dexterity and strength should have a different nature if you want a more realistic game. guess i overestimated the complexity of this game
Zilod wrote...
my char is reaver/zerker, very bad spec choice as i discovered,
reaver/champion or even reaver/templar are way better... but even with
the poor spec it seem to me a veeery viable route, you just need good
action regeneration and you are kinda set...
for runes is it true that you can put there a crapload of runes, but
dual wield with fast attack benefit more from dmg (and paralysis)
runes than 2h so the loss is higher
Edge32 wrote...
for runes is it true that you can put there a crapload of runes, but
dual wield with fast attack benefit more from dmg (and paralysis
runes than 2h so the loss is higher
I actually only need one rune slot to get my phys resist to 100, that still leaves 5 slots for paralysis and damage.
DragoonKain3 wrote...
Fact of the matter is, there are a LOT of static +x damage bonus in the game. Since all these bonuses aren't normalize for your attack speed, the faster you swing, the better these bonuses scale.
As such, DW have an immense DPS advantage over 2H, especially dagger/dagger builds. This is true if you go max DEX after the dex hotfix, and especially true if you go max STR before dex hotfix.
Add in Momentum (+43% dps) and Dual striking (even if it whiffs every 3rd attack, its still +33% dps), and DW pulls farther away. Heck, with the above two skills and +x bonus damage like Berserk and Blood Frenzy, using activated abilities actually hurt your DPS. That's how powerful DW builds are lol.
Zilod wrote...
Edge32 wrote...
for runes is it true that you can put there a crapload of runes, but
dual wield with fast attack benefit more from dmg (and paralysis
runes than 2h so the loss is higher
I actually only need one rune slot to get my phys resist to 100, that still leaves 5 slots for paralysis and damage.
true with honor helm 1 is enought, but i dont like it very much... so Honnleth helm ftw! it suit to well with Evon armor and wade heavy dragon boots/gloves...
Edge32 wrote...
Zilod wrote...
Edge32 wrote...
for runes is it true that you can put there a crapload of runes, but
dual wield with fast attack benefit more from dmg (and paralysis
runes than 2h so the loss is higher
I actually only need one rune slot to get my phys resist to 100, that still leaves 5 slots for paralysis and damage.
true with honor helm 1 is enought, but i dont like it very much... so Honnleth helm ftw! it suit to well with Evon armor and wade heavy dragon boots/gloves...
Have you seen it with the correct graphic? http://www.dragonage...file.php?id=146
It has wings!
sad is not red 
it goes well with blood dragon and jug but is too shiny and massive for my heavy dragon armor 
Yummyclaw wrote...
The real difference to me is:
A very high damage dealing, high defense, lower armor, auto attacker who sometimes randomly dies.
VS
A high damage dealing, hiigh armor, low defense, activated attacker who benefits for poisons and runes less
I'd also go with high willpower and a mage with haste for 2her too.
Yummyclaw wrote...
The real difference to me is:
A very high damage dealing, high defense, lower armor, auto attacker who sometimes randomly dies.
VS
A high damage dealing, hiigh armor, low defense, activated attacker who benefits for poisons and runes less
I'd also go with high willpower and a mage with haste for 2her too.
Edge32 wrote...
Yummyclaw wrote...
The real difference to me is:
A very high damage dealing, high defense, lower armor, auto attacker who sometimes randomly dies.
VS
A high damage dealing, hiigh armor, low defense, activated attacker who benefits for poisons and runes less
I'd also go with high willpower and a mage with haste for 2her too.
Uhh, where are you getting the lower armor and random death from?
GilgameshXD wrote...
Nerf daggers!
Modifié par Love-Buzz, 27 novembre 2009 - 08:30 .
Wrong. Pumping Strength will give you the same amount of attack bonus as if you were pumping Dex. You don't really want to be pumping Dex as a 2hander.menasure wrote...
the strength of a 2h warrior is mainly the effects in their passive skills which unfortunately you only mainly get at the high end of their skills. as a result players start to build pure strength characters because of the (probably too high) strength requirements however since you're neglecting dex then you'll miss a LOT and their passives will be useless as a result. if you manage to get their hitrate up then they're useful in all sorts of situations.
2h warriors are not useless by itself, that's if you don't forget to give them also dex. i've played a party with 2 of them: Ohgren and Sten. Ohgren was autoleveled while Sten was leveled by me early on and it turned out that Sten hitted 25% more of the time and when a 2H hits it's comparable to the damage a mage does on a single target when not talking about overpowered spells like manaclash.
however there are lots of different team combinations and if you want a tank then you're more or less obliged to have a shield and the dw option is probably somewhat easier so the options to include a 2h warrior are often slim to start with. if you do then you better put some thought into it.
Love-Buzz wrote...
GilgameshXD wrote...
Nerf daggers!
They are only OP for warriors if you don't have the dex hotfix so they get 100% dmg from strength.
It's funny cuz ppl might read this topic and think dual wield warriors are really good, when actually their DPS is nowhere near a dual wield rogue's.
specter7237 wrote...
Wrong. Pumping Strength will give you the same amount of attack bonus as if you were pumping Dex. You don't really want to be pumping Dex as a 2hander.menasure wrote...
the strength of a 2h warrior is mainly the effects in their passive skills which unfortunately you only mainly get at the high end of their skills. as a result players start to build pure strength characters because of the (probably too high) strength requirements however since you're neglecting dex then you'll miss a LOT and their passives will be useless as a result. if you manage to get their hitrate up then they're useful in all sorts of situations.
2h warriors are not useless by itself, that's if you don't forget to give them also dex. i've played a party with 2 of them: Ohgren and Sten. Ohgren was autoleveled while Sten was leveled by me early on and it turned out that Sten hitted 25% more of the time and when a 2H hits it's comparable to the damage a mage does on a single target when not talking about overpowered spells like manaclash.
however there are lots of different team combinations and if you want a tank then you're more or less obliged to have a shield and the dw option is probably somewhat easier so the options to include a 2h warrior are often slim to start with. if you do then you better put some thought into it.
so start of with nothing but dex and you gain a less damaging but faster hittting weapon, add some poison, some runes and some magical damage buff and who knows where you will end up with or without specific attack skills 
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Modifié par menasure, 27 novembre 2009 - 11:14 .
menasure wrote...
mm and i have yet to find a reason why i should not do that as a 2H when i read this topic because oddly enough it would mainly influence my weapon choice.
JJM152 wrote...
menasure wrote...
mm and i have yet to find a reason why i should not do that as a 2H when i read this topic because oddly enough it would mainly influence my weapon choice.
People are really missing the point of a two handed warrior.
Really, their activated skills are more important than anything.
- Both sunder abilities interupt the normal swing timer and have a double attack animation (2x hits).
- 2h sweep attack is on a 20 sec cool down and is a full 360 degree aoe strike with knock back.
If you just measure the different specializations about how much damage they can output in against a fictional enemy that sits still, doesn't do any status effects and has an infinate amount of HP, then yes - they might appear lacking. But in practice, when you combine 2h with specs like Champion, you get a character that can just run around knocking everything on it's ass all day with impunity.
Darth_Shizz wrote...
And this is before considering passives work alongside all hits. Are you sure about sweep being 360 degrees though? I assumed it was only 180 0_o
Modifié par crackseed, 28 novembre 2009 - 01:52 .
crackseed wrote...
I love how so many players are all about "AMG DPS" and ignore the control and tactical use that some builds present.
It's amazing to me that people will concoct elaborate scenarios that rarely if ever occur in the actual game just for the purpose of "theorycrafting" huge DPS numbers. It's like World of Warcraft all over again, but with twice as much stupid.
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